Salvage - Silver Sea Remnants - thread 2

[Aurara]

Provoke is only needed in valkurm dunes.

i'd beg to differ. Voke is extremely useful on SSR boss.

[Ahlah]

After doing salvage 2yr+ I think DoT DD actually work better than DD jobs that rely on heavy WS damage against chariot bosses. Even a pimped out SAM is not going to get the same number as he/she will normally see on squishy merit mobs.

I actually recommend Ridill WAR in SSR. LAC's TP moves deal significnatly less damage compared to other megabosses and mages shed hate after each brainjack session. Never hurt to have provoke too.

[Wolfknight]

After doing salvage 2yr+ I think DoT DD actually work better than DD jobs that rely on heavy WS damage against chariot bosses. Even a pimped out SAM is not going to get the same number as he/she will normally see on squishy merit mobs. .

bullshit, I've parsed salvage boss as sam vs mnk, and I ussually match or beat that dmg, last mega I did ZR I had 48% dmg to mnk[almost full usukane]'s 43%.

[Ahlah]

bullshit, I've parsed salvage boss as sam vs mnk, and I ussually match or beat that dmg, last mega I did ZR I had 48% dmg to mnk[almost full usukane]'s 43%.

I was referring to WS damage. You don't typically see the same damage output as you would see on megaboss compared to merit mobs.

Don't you think it's significant that being a SAM you only manage to match or ocassionally beat a MNK/NIN who is probably tanking chariot megaboss majority of the time? As for other 2h DD who don't have access to /SAM SJ the results will be even more significant.

[Wolfknight]

I was referring to WS damage. You don't typically see the same damage output as you would see on megaboss compared to merit mobs.

Don't you think it's significant that being a SAM you only manage to match or ocassionally beat a MNK/NIN who is probably tanking chariot megaboss majority of the time? As for other 2h DD who don't have access to /SAM SJ the results will be even more significant.

I have hate majority of the time really, and so what if ws dmg is less than that of merit mobs, it's expected so are melee hits less that of merit mobs <_<, so how is it relevant at all since take less from BOTH melee hits and ws.

[Ahlah]

I have hate majority of the time really, and so what if ws dmg is less than that of merit mobs, it's expected so are melee hits less that of merit mobs <_<, so how is it relevant at all since take less from BOTH melee hits and ws.

That basically prove my point, 2h melee jobs mainly rely on WS to deal damage. Without SAM SJ, WAR/DRK/DRG already sacrifice a significant amount of damage output, lower WS damage further cripples these jobs and they probably explain why many WAR/NIN using Gaxe find it difficult to share hate with MNK/NIN when both jobs are co-tanking chariot boss. Ridill WAR actually do quite well but TP feeding is a major issue and should only be used on LAC.

[Wolfknight]

That basically prove my point, 2h melee jobs mainly rely on WS to deal damage. Without SAM SJ, WAR/DRK/DRG already sacrifice a significant amount of damage output, lower WS damage further cripples these jobs and they probably explain why many WAR/NIN using Gaxe find it difficult to share hate with MNK/NIN when both jobs are co-tanking chariot boss. Ridill WAR actually do quite well but TP feeding is a major issue and should only be used on LAC.

well I don't see why you wouldn't have them /sam unless you're doing AR mega since it's only one where TE is bad since it wipes it.

[Severance]

Fuck you SSR.

[Ahlah]

well I don't see why you wouldn't have them /sam unless you're doing AR mega since it's only one where TE is bad since it wipes it.

LBC regular melee hits are quite nasty too. A bad double attack +/-critical hit can easily drop a WAR/SAM when TE is down. WAR/SAM do not have the same survivability compared to SAM/WAR.

There is no right or wrong answer when it comes to SJ choice for WAR. IMO, a small group of 6-7 should adopt a more defensive strategy, if one of the tanks gets killed it can potentially end the run. I will definitely feel more comfortable voking LAC on WAR/NIN than WAR/SAM immediately after Brainjack ends.

[FailureMidgard]

I was referring to WS damage. You don't typically see the same damage output as you would see on megaboss compared to merit mobs.

Don't you think it's significant that being a SAM you only manage to match or ocassionally beat a MNK/NIN who is probably tanking chariot megaboss majority of the time? As for other 2h DD who don't have access to /SAM SJ the results will be even more significant.

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Salvage is a glorified merit party.
Chariots are Wivres.
Really, you should take the best DD you have available to you, and pretend you are making a merit party.

I don't see how all these people still don't realize that a monk brings nothing more to salvage than they do to dynamis, limbus, einherjar, etc.

[Fridell]

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I don't see how all these people still don't realize that a monk brings nothing more to salvage than they do to dynamis, limbus, einherjar, etc.

And MNKs owns these events also!
And seriously, I've yet to seen any pimped ass SAM do more dmg then a MNK (full Usu or not) on Chariots, and I've done lots of Salvage, both with my own group and with random ones with relic ppl and extremely pimped DDs.

[Cream Soda]

I always do most dmg as my mnk, but then again, I even outclass the other mnks lol so I may just be a special case.

[Wolfknight]

And MNKs owns these events also!
And seriously, I've yet to seen any pimped ass SAM do more dmg then a MNK (full Usu or not) on Chariots, and I've done lots of Salvage, both with my own group and with random ones with relic ppl and extremely pimped DDs.

your sams must be doing something wrong cause I have no problem with beating near full-usukane mnk on sam.

[Fridell]

Maybe its your near full usukane MNk that is doing something wrong.

[Ahlah]

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Salvage is a glorified merit party.
Chariots are Wivres.
Really, you should take the best DD you have available to you, and pretend you are making a merit party.

I don't see how all these people still don't realize that a monk brings nothing more to salvage than they do to dynamis, limbus, einherjar, etc.

Not even close, I have yet to meet a salvage group who put 4 SAM/DRK/WAR/DRG on Chariot boss and expect the RDM and BRD to keep them alive.

MNK is the most balanced job in term of both offensive and defensive capabilities. Good MNKs who know how to tank are valuable assets to any new salvage group. In merit party BRD can keep pulling when one melee is down whereas tank dies during chariot fight usually means end of salvage run.

[Killkenny]

An equally geared sam and mnk will do near enough equal damage on chariots, you saying lower WS damage hurts sam is BS because mnks WS do less also, as do melee hits. Hate is hardly an issue because any half decent mnk can solo tank chariots without much trouble but I have never seen an issue between sam and mnk sharing hate.

If your group is good then your sam will be able to full time hasso on virtually everything else with the exception of citadel and will do a large amount more than an equally geared mnk. The problem you're having is shitty sams.

[Cream Soda]

Ascetic's Fury rox teh Citadel

[pchan]

Maybe its your near full usukane MNk that is doing something wrong.

^. 2 mnks kill a boss in 7 minutes (except ssr abviously).

[Killkenny]

Such a wonderful piece of information, how fast 2 mnks can beat 3/4 chartios is so relevant to the discussion. Your input is invaluable as always.

[Wulfgang]

Half the comments on this page have been largely irrelevant.