Salvage - Silver Sea Remnants - thread 2

[Darkhelmet]

Someone is a little defensive. I knew you couldn't do it :D

[Neosutra]

I can forsee some issues with that. Mainly once the gear train deaggros the THF it will go back to where it was before aggroing the THF. The problem is that it goes back uninterrupted and I'm not sure if the THF can aggro it again before it reaches the group.

Ya thats what I needed to test. Wether the train went back to the place where it was first aggroed, or sped back on the path to where is "should" be if it hadnt been aggroed and had continued on its path.

Im sure there is a way to do it, but we will see.

Not sure if Ill test it this week however, as I want to do our current timeline path again, but we will see what my group is up for. Same old shit is boring after a while Q.Q.

[Drace]

I always skip the gear train, and do not usually have the numbers to support it but, in the interest of maxing out time efficiency...

Assuming you had the extra RDM or BLM for CC floor, you could have the THF run the initial sac, pull the Ramparts + Chariot to first Chest room, camp the RDM or BLM in the Hall, ES Sleepga the train. Have the Sleeper then run back to the start room - when the train wakes, they *should* go for that mage (might need to keep them closer and have him kite the gears back to that room after waking).

This should accomplish the same as having the THF hold the train from the first sac, w/o the headache of all the things that could go wrong with losing that initial aggro and back tracking. Ramparts should be dead before train is even back to the porter room.

Again, I take the standard, THF Sac > pull back ramparts to first room route as I don't have the luxury of more than 5-6 on my salvage runs, so this plan would really depend on having the sleeper maintain hate on the train and kiting back to the start room to work. The most time consuming part of this floor is definitely having to pull the ramparts back to the start room. Eliminate that and you probably could average ~10 minutes on this floor.


Edit: Thinking about this a little futher - you could probably time it to have the sleeper also act as the final sac/ porter as well. Give the RDM a couple of pairs of Powder Boots if they are sacker, BLM can grab a hermes. Once the gear train gets back to the start room, pop the powder/ hermes, (ideally rdm with powder as I think this would take 2 charges to do well), flee past the train (should be able to time this w/o taking too much dmg), keep the sac running through the CC room. CC should be up by then, train the middle room, clears the way for the THF to come back and get TH on CC if he didn't lose aggro from the first sac, by the time the RDM reaches the porter room, CC should be dead and rdy to port up.

8 minute mark might be regularly attainable if you had the numbers to pull this off.

[Neosutra]

Might try it, thanx for the suggestion.

[FailureMidgard]

I don't have any interest in improving my time because I never go for CC. I just wanted to see you back up your claims, which you seem so good at avoiding.

All I've asked for are screenshots of claims that you've made. Can you do it or can you not do it? I want to see 8 minutes. I want to see the first screenshot of /clock with the porting animation up to the 4th floor, I want to see the screenshot of /clock when CC is killed, and I want to see the screenshot of /clock with the porting animation up to the 5th floor.

I don't expect you to do it because honestly I don't think you can, even though you said you can.

Everyone in your group already has Usu Body? You never plan to take a new member? None of your members ever plan to lvl a job that wants Usu Body? You'd rather have 0 alexandrites than an extra purse? Sorry, when CC can be added for free, you're just bad if you skip the floor (unless you're going for a chariot run with 4-5 perhaps?).

Even when we full clear a zone with X minutes left over with perfect results on every floor, I still want to full clear it with X+1 minutes left over the next time.

This, 100 times over. Once you can beat something, the only way to improve yourself and your group is to try to do it better. Makes you a better player, gives you more leeway when something out of your control goes wrong.

[Darkhelmet]

Everyone in your group already has Usu Body? You never plan to take a new member? None of your members ever plan to lvl a job that wants Usu Body? You'd rather have 0 alexandrites than an extra purse? Sorry, when CC can be added for free, you're just bad if you skip the floor (unless you're going for a chariot run with 4-5 perhaps?).

I'm not one of those "if I can't do it, nobody can do it" idiots. I just think the guy is full of shit with his times, and I want to see screenshots - with an "s". Why is this so hard to understand?

If someone else posted the same thing, except this person had fewer than 5 posts and they made their post in a non-condescending fashion, would people believe him? No.. they'd ask for screenshots. The method for getting people's attention on these forums, or any forum for that matter, is to be witty, condescending, and talk to people the totally opposite way you would in reality. I guess if you say "Go kill yourself if you can't do ____ in ___ minutes", people believe you - and the best part is.. you don't even need proof.

I think he's just one example of many people that exaggerate numbers. I just want some accountability for the claims. If you can post screenshots then fine, act like a dick, but at least you're a dick that's able to back up your statement.

[Neosutra]

First off, you arent the judge or master of accountability here. You niether do the floor in question, care about doing the floor, or aspire to improve your group in any way (based on your comments).

Ive provided comments and support to every salvage thread posted on these forums, since the event first came out. Ive posted links to our personal walkthroughs, and responded to many PMs helping people with problems they are having. You... havent provided shit. So dont come in here comparing me to some wild ass alla poster giving crappy input.

As far as condescending goes, that was directed to Pchan, who started the debate when he said I was exagerating. I followed suite by detailing my very next run and showing how our best time was very much acheivable. I stated I was making a video and will provide one when I am done. I could give a rats ass if you post retarded "lol where is the SS" after EVERY post I make in every thread till the end of time, as I already said I could give a rats ass about anything you ask for. What people WILL get, is a detailed video on how we do it, to help the community see different perspectives, and to get advice from other groups on ways we can do it better.

Im sorry if it bothers you that you arent even in the same league as the people here Darkhelmit, but dont go all emo on us when confronted with your own inadequacies.

Ive got nothing to prove here, and will provide information and verification in the way I see fit (a video and time slice walkthrough). You on the other hand, need to take a step back and realize just how little you are contributing to this thread, and how much of an ass you are looking like.

Go back to your corner with Pchan, who thinks bards make no difference and sniper+1s are gimp. Cut your losses while you are behind. The door is that way ->.

[Wolfknight]

Go back to your corner with Pchan, who thinks bards make no difference and sniper+1s are gimp. Cut your losses while you are behind. The door is that way ->.

Don't forget mnks need weapons to counter too.

[pchan]

Go back to your corner with Pchan, who thinks bards make no difference and sniper+1s are gimp. Cut your losses while you are behind. The door is that way ->.

I didn't say that. Learn2read. Still waiting on your SS, 1 weak later.

Don't forget mnks need weapons to counter too.

I didn't say that either. Learn2read. Still waiting on someone's numbers to see how he surclass a full usu monk.

[Wolfknight]

I didn't say that. Learn2read. Still waiting on your SS, 1 weak later.



I didn't say that either. Learn2read. Still waiting on someone's numbers to see how he surclass a full usu monk.

http://www.bluegartr.com/forum/2716958-post1312.html
I guess no difference and not huge difference aren't quite the same but very similar.
Also you did say thing about counter:
http://www.bluegartr.com/forum/2668911-post1082.html:

No. H2H rape skelettons, mnk w/o wpn will not counter etc.

you said it right there in your retard reasoning of mnk over sam for weapon that mnk can't counter w/o weapon

Edit: 3 Recent mega parsed vs 2 different non-usukane mnks and beat the one using subs twice by about 4% and lost to other using pizza +1 by about 3%[was dead even before hundred fists], I can get exact numbers from parse if you like.

[FailureMidgard]

Yea, you never said that. Uh-huh, we believe you.

Darkhelmet - if you want proof, so be it, you don't need to shit up a thread with that every other post though. Ask for em once, he said he'll try. That being said, asking for screenshot proof, vs just "can you check your exact timestamps please" is also kinda stupid. A lot of people exaggerate a bit subconsciously, significantly less people flat out lie (or in pchans case, are too dumb to know the difference).

I've never timed our floor that exactly, it's between 10 and 15 minutes, as far as I know. That being said, I think it's dumb to skip CC. Even if you don't need it a ton, who knows when you'll change your mind in the future.

[Asya]

On that F4 CC floor, do the train always have the same path? I didnt keep track of our runs but it seems that sometimes, when we're hidden in a corner the train just pass without agroing and sometimes for some reason it come to us even if we're in the corner and naturally, sight aggro. (and yes, we arent using any magic/abi while the train is here)

My question is, is there a corner in first/second coffer room where you can say @100% train wont see you?

[pchan]

http://www.bluegartr.com/forum/2716958-post1312.html
I guess no difference and not huge difference aren't quite the same but very similar.
Also you did say thing about counter:
http://www.bluegartr.com/forum/2668911-post1082.html:

you said it right there in your retard reasoning of mnk over sam for weapon that mnk can't counter w/o weapon

Edit: 3 Recent mega parsed vs 2 different non-usukane mnks and beat the one using subs twice by about 4% and lost to other using pizza +1 by about 3%[was dead even before hundred fists], I can get exact numbers from parse if you like.

I said, and I'lll repeat it again I guess, that IF you give weapon to sam and not to monk, the mnk will not counter .. because it won't have hate. This is called game mechanics, right? And yeah... you don't have full usu monks, and pizza is shit. I don't need to know what you do against a monk that you don't gear up anyway. Put your 2 sam/wars and parse and post your dps. Easy to do, just like taking pictures.

[Darkhelmet]

This is what happens when one of the cool forum kids gets called out. You get a lot of witty content with no substance.

You never would have provided any proof that you can do this floor in 8 minutes had I not called you out on it. I'm sure you still won't, but at least you'll think twice before you start creating numbers to make yourself look better than you really are.

"The door is that way ->" ..lol.. how original. Alright, I'm heading out the door!

[Neosutra]

Holy shit, shut the fuck up.

I said Id make a video to help before you ever stepped into this debate. You are a fucking moron if you dont see how stupid you are making yourself look.

We arent the "cool kids" making fun of you and getting "told", we are people that know what we are talking about, telling a moron to stop making himself look worse.

You have NO idea what you are talking about, and furthermore, you are contributing nothing to this thread besides shitting it up. GO AWAY. No one wants you here. No one is looking for your continued lack of input.

Your FFXIAH profile quote suites you PERFECTLY:

"Probably the best player in the United States. It's true". What a fucking joke lol. And as a mnk/sam/nin with no interest in CC and no desire to improve their group, you have no purpose in this thread or any thread. Go back to TPing in rajas, skipping the CC floor, and thinking you come close to anyone here in capability or style.

[Uzor]

you should always try to better your time, even if you can do all NM's + boss with time left, for several reasons. One being that you then have more time to do other things if you so chose, another being that you'll have more time to farm gear/s for Alexandrites, and a third being that it gives you more "cushion time" for screw-ups.

Your group can be flawless and awesome, but they're still human and will fuck up occasionally. If you're content with beating all NM's + boss with 1 min remaining, that leaves no room for any fuck ups at all.

[Julian]

Your FFXIAH profile quote suites you PERFECTLY:

"Probably the best player in the United States. It's true". What a fucking joke lol. And as a mnk/sam/nin with no interest in CC and no desire to improve their group, you have no purpose in this thread or any thread. Go back to TPing in rajas, skipping the CC floor, and thinking you come close to anyone here in capability or style.

I lol'd

[Valyana]

My question is, is there a corner in first/second coffer room where you can say @100% train wont see you?

The corner furthest from the doors. But if you have a Rampart with you they'll probably still link to it. The room corners are really only good for letting the train pass as you move to and from CC room.

[Crizto]

So did you make that video?

[Neosutra]

So did you make that video?

Have to do it Monday Q.Q. Wife graduated with MBA saturday and apparently had mandatory fun with inlaws on friday >.>. Didnt even get a chance to log on.

Ill probably post each floor's vid, as id like some feedback from other groups about ways we can do each better, and not just CC.