Salvage - Silver Sea Remnants - thread 2

[Wolfknight]

If the rampart you were fighting was close enough to the gear room for them to link, they will all link to that rampart and attack the one person that had primary hate on the rampart, then continue back on their path.

I was fighting on the middle area of the start room on rampart I had pulled, while the one that was closer to door I had no hate on and didn't attack mages that had hate on them. And if it's "intended" then person designed SSR is even more twisted than previously thought .

[Neosutra]

It's not intended, and either your you had slightly more hate from previous actions (made sleep rampart, you warcry, idk what you were doing and it doesnt really matter at this point), that they linked with that one rampart then straight for you, or the geometry of the room/gears made the aggro seem a bit weird. Several hundred iterations of this and we have never had that happen except when the rampart was too close to the doorway.

[Shassira]

It's not intended, and either your you had slightly more hate from previous actions (made sleep rampart, you warcry, idk what you were doing and it doesnt really matter at this point), that they linked with that one rampart then straight for you, or the geometry of the room/gears made the aggro seem a bit weird. Several hundred iterations of this and we have never had that happen except when the rampart was too close to the doorway.

I don't have several hundred iterations (btw, you mean you've done this NM 300+ times? That's almost a year going daily to silver sea...), but i surely have done it enough times to say that they do have weird patterns which are likely just glitches, as I explained in my post.

His case being their mistake or not, who knows, but i'm certain things don't always end up working as you would expect here, which is likely a rare bug.

[Meat]

nerdfight in 3,2

[Shassira]

nerdfight in 3,2

if this is alluding to my comment about the 300+ runs, it was a real one. I'm shocked about the data itself. I'm already sick of salvage and I think my total runs are probably under 300. To think of doing so many SS runs would probably be enough to make me quit.

[Neosutra]

Yes, our group has done about 2-3 as many SSRs as other zones due to needing those 35 pieces to complete most of our sets generally (went a little over 200+ turtle kills before got our first drop >.>).

As for "working as intended", who knows, it is a game. If it was a glitch then it was irrelevant, if it was what I explained then it is avoidable.

[Anomander]

I haven't ever seen this happen either out of probably 60-70 CC runs. I have noticed before that the gear train, if pulled off its kite path, will return to where it was rather than continue aggroing, and in one case I swear they went right past me in the hallway (I was using a hermes to flee to the end while group finished off CC, didn't notice the gears coming, but they ignored me anyway). Gears are just strange mobs, I'm sure I'm not the only one who's noticed that in AR, on the way to the Ares rat's room, there is one side that has a gear that will not aggro/is impossible to pull when its at one end of the stairs.

[Dremir]

guys...i do salvage from a year and for the first time in 190239123819028 silversea 3 days ago i noticed a strange problem...formor hitted for 400/500 single hit, ws for about 900+ ( not joking, one shotted a mnk without HP cells) and we had problem to end salvage ( wiped at floor3 for time, never seen in 1 year!!!!). It's normal?! usually formor hit for about 200 and ws for max 400, that day their strenght was...doubled!! I don't know how to explain thi situation..there's something i don't know about some lunar phase ad formor strenght? O_o

[Neosutra]

guys...i do salvage from a year and for the first time in 190239123819028 silversea 3 days ago i noticed a strange problem...formor hitted for 400/500 single hit, ws for about 900+ ( not joking, one shotted a mnk without HP cells) and we had problem to end salvage ( wiped at floor3 for time, never seen in 1 year!!!!). It's normal?! usually formor hit for about 200 and ws for max 400, that day their strenght was...doubled!! I don't know how to explain thi situation..there's something i don't know about some lunar phase ad formor strenght? O_o

Counterstance/Def down from fomors and crit hits. The fomor NMs can most certainly crit for that high if you dont erase def down and his WS is a 5 hit WS so ya..

[Recaldy]

Yeah the Def Down is nasty. Heck you can take a 75 to Meadows or Coast and fight a Too Weak fomor and the move will drop your Def to 50+-.

[mallister]

yet another emptyhanded SSR run. flawless execution, no deaths or time wasted. LAC killed. freelot crap drops, but hey at least the mega-boss drops...something. i was totaling up our SSR runs and it's fucking depressing. 2 years+ running slavage now. for the last year, we've done at least 1 SSR run per week as we have 4 people needing 35's to complete pieces. the first year, we hit it two if not three times a week, when we weren't farming frogs or a-rape-we-go for dem's cuirass/macha's coat. so, just being conservative, our group has passed 200 runs without a drop from gyroscopic gears now, all with TH3/4, depending on who was in the group at the time. fucking fail ~

[Velecic]

7/86 GG3.. Share some Haramakis ^^? We'll trade you {Deimos's Cuisses} + {Ctn. Coin Purse} ? After last night our Turtle droprate is 1/26 Prepatch 1/31 Postpatch ; ;

[Dremir]

up the topic after months, just to ask about a strategy. Usually we do 1+2+3+boss without problem or 1+2+3+4 and 15 min remaining in 7/8 ppl, in last 4 months dropped 5 head ,4 ares legs but 0 machas ( yeah,i'm one of the 4/5 morrigan group seeking for slops) and only 1 body. There's a way to do 2+4+boss without time lossing for minichariot? i never tried to do ramparts AND minichariot same run, but now that we only need machas and usu body i'm searching a good stategy to manage 2+4+boss. I'm wondering about floor 1 just do 2 initial formor and big room ( 15 min about), floor 2 clear for macha's ( 25 min max), floor 3 thf flee aggro the room and lost aggro running down the stairs while dd zerg at 300 tp the rampart ( 6-7min), but the problem is: how to do floor 4? what's better strategy to involve also boss? i thought a good one is: when up thf pull charriot and flee/bring it to first room, mnk kill, then wait for train and kill train, then go near rampart room, thf aggro Perfect dodge, dd pull 4 x rampart while the brd ( after nightingale trobadour songs) pass and go to teleport room waiting for nm death. It will work in your opinion? or you have some other strategy to do floor 4 in less then 25 min?

[Anomander]

up the topic after months, just to ask about a strategy. Usually we do 1+2+3+boss without problem or 1+2+3+4 and 15 min remaining in 7/8 ppl, in last 4 months dropped 5 head ,4 ares legs but 0 machas ( yeah,i'm one of the 4/5 morrigan group seeking for slops) and only 1 body. There's a way to do 2+4+boss without time lossing for minichariot? i never tried to do ramparts AND minichariot same run, but now that we only need machas and usu body i'm searching a good stategy to manage 2+4+boss. I'm wondering about floor 1 just do 2 initial formor and big room ( 15 min about), floor 2 clear for macha's ( 25 min max), floor 3 thf flee aggro the room and lost aggro running down the stairs while dd zerg at 300 tp the rampart ( 6-7min), but the problem is: how to do floor 4? what's better strategy to involve also boss? i thought a good one is: when up thf pull charriot and flee/bring it to first room, mnk kill, then wait for train and kill train, then go near rampart room, thf aggro Perfect dodge, dd pull 4 x rampart while the brd ( after nightingale trobadour songs) pass and go to teleport room waiting for nm death. It will work in your opinion? or you have some other strategy to do floor 4 in less then 25 min?

It's possible to do the entire zone with time remaining. 1+2+3+4+boss. If you are zerging the rampart and its taking 7 minutes, that sounds slow, unless you mean 7 minutes for the entire floor. If you are skipping the first two rooms on floor 1 15 minutes is slow, can usually clear it in 20 with the first two rooms. Supertank method is best for hammerblows room.

Floor two, and really full clearing the zone, really depends on your puller. The pulls need to be fast and your group needs to be ready to deal with a link (ie: people not freaking out and trying to sleep the mobs then wondering why they die. Gravity and kite, or have puller kite). Next mob needs to be there ready to be killed asap. 20-25 minutes here is expected if done correctly.

Floor three should only take 15 minutes to do gg3 and rampart. My group typically uses 2 sams as DD's so polearm rapes here.

Counting up, you have now 60 minutes spent, 40 minutes to do floor 4 and boss. Three ways to do this: if your mages are very good, pull all 4 ramparts and the mini chariot to start and kill them all, starting with mini chariot (he's very very low hp in SSR). Ramparts do sleep. 2 hour here if necessary, honestly this is the diciest part of the run. Alternatively, pull the 4 ramparts first, then have thief do another grab and go while you pull chariot and CC. Kill chariot first, let thf get back, kill CC. Finally, you can kill the gear train and then not have to bother with the really long pulls. Have thf be the one to go up, PD flee grab them asap at start, sleep them all.

Should be doable within 25 minutes, leaving 15 minutes for the boss, which is plenty of time.

If you are skipping hammerblow and/or gg3, you should have no problem whatsoever doing 2/4/boss.