Salvage - Arrapago Remnants - thread 2

[Zilong]

[quote=Kaylia]

I learned something very important tonight.
Never, ever, ever... EVER... attempt Arrapago without TH3.
Fucking bullshit...

Unlearn it real quick, or you'll be disappointed as fuck when the same thing happens and you've got TH4.

I'm talking cell drop rates, not 15/25/35equipment - that's gonna suck regardless.

I'm almost certain he was also talking about cell drop rate. I had those shitty night with thief as well (posted it 2 pages ago, was almost identical to you). That said, thieves probably help to reduce the chance it happens, I just don't think it offer a magical solution ..this zone is just bogus.

Anyone noticed a pattern between magic cell and Ja cell? One is usually raining for us, while the other is extremly rare, while they are both 50% other day. It's probably just the zone making me paranoid after 3 billions shitty zone tho.

In other news, tanking bhoot and 5th floor chariot with 2war and a single hp cells is not fun (1/20 fucking bone, none in first chest). Chariot went down fast, but it's kinda scary.[/quote:e0391]

We had 1 humilus from like 20 bones happened to us too, but we manage to recover on 3rd floor when we get another one from the rampart in the migrant rusulla room.

[Kaylia]

Yeah, I should have killed both of them for additional hp. Forgot about those dropping. Either way, we managed to kill everything except the boss, but it was obvious we wouldnt go for it after first floor awesome drop rate...

[Arthars]

best is farm 1-2 HP cells (hopefully 1 come from chest ^^)

i would say 2 tho if u wanna go for boss

6F Rampart have a 50% chance of dropping HP cell so 3rd is bonus for brd

if ur 1/20 in 1 and 2F bones or even 3F, then just do NMs >.>

happen to me a few times too, somehow after patch HP became rare lol

or maybe they improved Qubtub cells but didnt boost rate of bones ;\

one thing to make up for this zone is that the boss is extremely easy, so perhaps 2-3 ability cells should be ok to attempt the boss

i think everyone need magic though (cept thf)

[Ryushii]

Well thats odd. We had no THF yesterday and got 3 weapon cells (1 went to RNG lol) 3 magic 2 opacus 3 hp and some equipment. We also had no MNK or BRD and only 1 NIN tank. Gogo Chariot wipage

[divisortheory]

[quote=Francisco II]

I learned something very important tonight.

Never, ever, ever... EVER... attempt Arrapago without TH3.

Fucking bullshit...

Unlearn it real quick, or you'll be disappointed as fuck when the same thing happens and you've got TH4.

I'm talking cell drop rates, not 15/25/35equipment - that's gonna suck regardless.
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I was talking cell drop rates too

[Francisco II]

Speaking of TH4, how do you usually go about getting Hand Cells... luck from the chest?

First floor Rampart seems like a waste of time, and we've had bad luck with the 5th floor ramparts.

[divisortheory]

lucky with a chest, or ramparts. If you've got lots of time left on the clock you can hit the 4th floor ramparts too.

[Wizerd]

Speaking of TH4, how do you usually go about getting Hand Cells... luck from the chest?

First floor Rampart seems like a waste of time, and we've had bad luck with the 5th floor ramparts.

If I'm farming NMs I will usually have someone run back to the start in just enough time on 1F so that he's there by the time we finish clearing the mobs we want to clear. If the rampart is up, we will go fight it and kill it. We just gravity the Sabotender and then port up afterwards. I've never actually had hands drop from this POS though.

Again, if I'm farming NMs, we will kill the 4F Ramparts, and then 5F if no drop, because they only take less than a minute to kill and TH4 might be nice.

However, on a Boss run I would completely forget about Ramparts unless one of the ones on the way to 5F chariot aggros and we have to kill it.

[Zilong]

Speaking of TH4, how do you usually go about getting Hand Cells... luck from the chest?

First floor Rampart seems like a waste of time, and we've had bad luck with the 5th floor ramparts.

If I'm farming NMs I will usually have someone run back to the start in just enough time on 1F so that he's there by the time we finish clearing the mobs we want to clear. If the rampart is up, we will go fight it and kill it. We just gravity the Sabotender and then port up afterwards. I've never actually had hands drop from this POS though.

Again, if I'm farming NMs, we will kill the 4F Ramparts, and then 5F if no drop, because they only take less than a minute to kill and TH4 might be nice.

However, on a Boss run I would completely forget about Ramparts unless one of the ones on the way to 5F chariot aggros and we have to kill it.

I personally would kill the goobbue rampart on the archaic chariot room, since pannus does helps a lot to speed up chariot and astrologer kills, along with the gears room.

But we usually combine boss run with farming run, since as long as you don;t get completely jewed on cell, hitting all NM + boss with 7-8 people is more than possible

Just hope you can pass fast, since you usually only have ~10 mins to work on AC, and he usually dies with few time to spare if you hit all other NM along the way.

[Lordwafik]

Finallyyyyyyyyyyyy


http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/7...rasstn3.th.jpg

1/42 !

Was a shitty shitty run, nothing was going right, most of first floor mobs dropped nothing at all, no opacus wasted alot of time since we couldnt kill as fast as we wanted, so we couldn't do boss + NMs like we always do, we were just doing Chariot/QQ then caging out, and just as everyone thought it was yet another no drop... Drop!

[Francisco II]

In previous Arrapago runs, we never got aggro from a Rampart on Floor 5. The past two runs, they've been aggroing to sound; (not sure on sight).

The only thing we've done differently on the past two runs is kill a Rampart on Floor 4... so it seems they have some sort of linked hate system (like fomors).

[Lordwafik]

In previous Arrapago runs, we never got aggro from a Rampart on Floor 5. The past two runs, they've been aggroing to sound; (not sure on sight).

The only thing we've done differently on the past two runs is kill a Rampart on Floor 4... so it seems they have some sort of linked hate system (like fomors).

We kill ramparts on floor 4 too and no aggro from the rampart. It's just retardedly random.

[divisortheory]

I've still never gotten aggro with both sneak/invis on. Going on 30+ now.

[Sidanoir]

In terms of our drop history for Arrapago:

12 runs:

21 QQA kills : 2 drops
24 QQTH kills: 0 dropsHate this guy :/ as does everyone else
3 Deviate Bhoot kills: 0 drops
10 Archaic Chariot: 2 marduk hands, 1 skadi feet
We had 1 QQA warp....Didn't have time for chariot or 4th floor QQA twice ( no THF runs spent too much time on first floor)
So overall in chances.....counting chariot as 3 chances
5 out of 78 or about 6.4%
Or if you count the chariot as 1 NM and not 3 drop chances you get..5/58 or about 8.627%
Haven't done Soulflayer NM yet, but have 2 Morrigans Crown 25s now...so might as well next run <.<

I think Arrapago is the biggest waste to do without a THF....whereas Bhaflau is the total opposite I dont think a THF is necessary in the least in terms of cells..granted if going for 35s there bring a THF

But in our experience with varying levels of TH....Arrapago = if THF present 1 of the first 2 weapons goes to him Makes a big difference on first floor imho...real time saver, and of course doesn't hurt later on

[Francisco II]

Qiqirn Treasure Hunter: 7 kills, no drop

Qiqirn Astrologer: 5 kills, 1 Demios Cuirass drop (with TH3)

Psycheflayer: 6 kills, a few deaths, no drop

Archaic Chariot: 5 kills, 1 Hizaku Hakama - it was with TH4, and the THF ate a Lucky Egg (1 FOR 1 ON EGG KILLS!!)

2/23 = ~8.7%

[Lhexh]

We haven't been going to arrapago as often as before because the abysmal drop rates are depressing so we've spent more time in Silver Sea and Bhaflau. Total tally over 44 runs including the early learning stages before it was all mapped out is

Qiqirn Astrologer : 3 for 64
Qiqirn Treasure Hunter : 0 for 71
Deviate Bhoot : 0 for 12
Psyche Flayer : 0 for 8
Archaic Chariot : 4 Usukane, 1 Marduk, 5 Skadi in 33 Chariots

Rounds out to 13 drops for 188 NMs killed = 6.9%.

[Crosis]

Kind of hilarious, LS did a Arrapago run on Saturday with no THF. Which I'll never do again because the cell drop rate was just awful. However, the Qiqirn TH decided to drop Macha's Coat for me. It dropped that and nothing else, other then chest. But woo :D

That makes us about 2 for 80 by my estimate.

[Bleu]

From everyones reports, QQTH drop rate seems decidedly lower than QQA. I can't possibly see why somebody thought that was necissary...

I lost *exact* track but we're something close to:

0/50 QQTH
1/45 QQA
0/3 Psycheflayer
5/20 Chariot

[Sagacious Sundi]

From everyones reports, QQTH drop rate seems decidedly lower than QQA. I can't possibly see why somebody thought that was necissary...

They probably figured that you can get boned from QQAs if they warp (unless QQTH on the 6th floor are "backup" for the QQAs) so they raise the drop rate on them or lowered the drop rates on THFs.

[Wizerd]

From everyones reports, QQTH drop rate seems decidedly lower than QQA. I can't possibly see why somebody thought that was necissary...

They probably figured that you can get boned from QQAs if they warp (unless QQTH on the 6th floor are "backup" for the QQAs) so they raise the drop rate on them or lowered the drop rates on THFs.

Or, more logically, you're supposed to have 4 chances at QQTH (and therefore 4 chances at Macha's Coat) per run, and only 2 chances at QQA. We just haven't found out how to pop the last 2 QQTH yet. It's much more simple and less retarded then assuming that 6th floor QQTHs can drop Deimos's Cuirass, considering the entire theme of the entire rest of the zone says that one type of mob has the same loot pool throughout the whole zone.