Salvage - Arrapago Remnants - thread 2

[Kaylia]

That would be unlikely, because many people so far have popped those Treant and never got qiqirn to pop right after. There has to be other condition, or something special they did.

[divisortheory]

Maybe it's just kill all reinforcement + treant and there's a chance of popping. Most people don't kill all reinforcement anyway, which is why it would never have been discovered before. The fact they got it 2/3 and nobody on this forum got it at all could be luck.

[Julian]

Still waiting for Julian to verify he indeed killed all Ramparts and Reinforcements (in that order) before opening any doors... if he can confirm that, I'll skip killing all Ramparts and just hold out for the seasonal treant.

We killed all before opening any doors on all floors.

However, we killed Cactuar before killing its Rampart (slept it, cause that shit hits hard as hell and the cactuar isn't sleepable)

One Malboro Rampart didn't pop, and the last Rampart didn't pop the treant.

(In a previous run, we killed all ramparts->reinforcements, and didn't get anything)

But we already know all reinforcements isn't a requirement because Chokorun's 1st pop had 1 treant-less rampart.

[Wizerd]

Bleh, tried to replicate their run tonight, but were short by about 1 gear and 2 Ramparts on 6F when we ran out of time. Certainly not easy. We lost about 8 minutes on 1F, saved 1min on 2F, lost 2.5min on 3/4F, and I think we lost a minute or two on 5F, overall making us run outta time.

Edit: oh and no drops from any NMs.

[Arthars]

A)both runs they pop all available reinforcements on the route they took (pugil/manta/crab/sabotender/treant OR orobon/manta/crab/sabotender/treant)

B)both runs they killed all the reinforcements that popped.

C)if you add them together, you can say they killed ALL machinery AND the reinforcements that popped that are avilable in the zone/route they took

has anyone of us here done the exact same thing to above A B and C?

dont think i saw anyone that did all A B and C altogether, which seem to be the only special things these JP did and we did not.

yes not me too, failed with 6 peeps, not enough power to kill all the gears/reinforcements fast enough with my NA group

my JP group dont wanna try this yet because they say they still want boss items(which cant be completed zzz)

[Julian]

A)both runs they pop all available reinforcements on the route they took (pugil/manta/crab/sabotender/treant OR orobon/manta/crab/sabotender/treant)

B)both runs they killed all the reinforcements that popped.

C)if you add them together, you can say they killed ALL machinery AND the reinforcements that popped that are avilable in the zone/route they took

has anyone of us here done the exact same thing to above A B and C?

Twice. Once with 5min left and once with 13min left. Once South and once North.

[NynJa]

has anyone considered holding the 6f ramparts untill one of the properly seasoned treants pops ?

[divisortheory]

A)both runs they pop all available reinforcements on the route they took (pugil/manta/crab/sabotender/treant OR orobon/manta/crab/sabotender/treant)

B)both runs they killed all the reinforcements that popped.

C)if you add them together, you can say they killed ALL machinery AND the reinforcements that popped that are avilable in the zone/route they took

has anyone of us here done the exact same thing to above A B and C?

Twice. Once with 5min left and once with 13min left. Once South and once North.

I thought in both cases one of the ramparts didn't pop reinforcements.

[Arthars]

u mean julian's run?

or JP's run?

[Julian]

A)both runs they pop all available reinforcements on the route they took (pugil/manta/crab/sabotender/treant OR orobon/manta/crab/sabotender/treant)

B)both runs they killed all the reinforcements that popped.

C)if you add them together, you can say they killed ALL machinery AND the reinforcements that popped that are avilable in the zone/route they took

has anyone of us here done the exact same thing to above A B and C?

Twice. Once with 5min left and once with 13min left. Once South and once North.

I thought in both cases one of the ramparts didn't pop reinforcements.

The JPs first run has only 1 treant on 6th floor: the 1st rampart didn't pop. Killing all rampart+1reinforcement for each is not a condition. Idk what "A" is supposed to read exactly, if it's 1 pop for every rampart, or at least 1 kill of each type of reinforcement, but the JPs did the latter, and so did we.

Look back a few pages, I posted small summaries of our 2 runs. Anyway, I'm going out of town for a few days and wont be back until Tuesday so wont really be able to check back here. (I might check on my PSP if I can find some wifi spots though)

[Sagacious Sundi]

But were the reinforcements that weren't popped the same? Dun dun dun.

Also, I really hope it ends up being 4:4 for the body pieces.

[Kaylia]

has anyone considered holding the 6f ramparts untill one of the properly seasoned treants pops ?

Can you pop different seasonal tree from the same rampart?

[Uzor]

has anyone considered holding the 6f ramparts untill one of the properly seasoned treants pops ?

Can you pop different seasonal tree from the same rampart?

the JP group said they had one spring and one winter pop I believe? Don't think they said anything about it being from different nor same ramparts. When they did the "copy" run exactly the same, one or no tree ant popped. So perhaps the condition is just simply having both treeants pop?

[Kaylia]

Yeah, I read that part too. It confuses me, because I thought they would pop the same kind of tree unless the ingame season change.

Hold it until it pop the right tree, kill. Repeat with 2nd rampart and kill. If this was the only condition, we would have seen a lot more "random pop". There would be something like 1/16 of getting the right combo...which doesn't match our current statistic. Something like that can't be excluded, but there has to be another trigger somewhere

[Uzor]

Yeah, I find it odd that they are the ONLY shell to ever having had that happen to them. I don't think we should exclude it, though, since the only time the 2 QQ's have been reported to pop, are then both trees popped.

[divisortheory]

Yeah, I find it odd that they are the ONLY shell to ever having had that happen to them. I don't think we should exclude it, though, since the only time the 2 QQ's have been reported to pop, are then both trees popped.

I thought they said they popped it when only 1 tree popped.

[Narse]

Yeah, I find it odd that they are the ONLY shell to ever having had that happen to them. I don't think we should exclude it, though, since the only time the 2 QQ's have been reported to pop, are then both trees popped.

I thought they said they popped it when only 1 tree popped.

They did indeed say that.

[Wizerd]

No one's duplicated their run yet with the routes and mobs I posted. Like I said before, I tried, but I was short a few minutes and we weren't able to kill a gear and 2 Ramparts on the last floor.

[Uzor]

Yeah, I find it odd that they are the ONLY shell to ever having had that happen to them. I don't think we should exclude it, though, since the only time the 2 QQ's have been reported to pop, are then both trees popped.

I thought they said they popped it when only 1 tree popped.

They did indeed say that.

What they say is somewhat unclear, though. First they say this:

FLOOR SIX (6)

* Killed all Gears and Ramparts
* We most likely killed the single Gears first, then the Triplet Gears, then the Ramparts.
* We destroyed everything until there was just one Rampart left, and it popped a tree
* We killed the Rampart, then we killed the tree

which hints on them killing one, then they say this:

About the number of Treants popping

We got 2 Treants, but it's weird... Their leaves change based on the seasons of Vana'diel, but two trees popped and one was Spring and the other Winter. I didn't even notice their difference in leaves...
If it was the turning point between two season I'd understand, but this is bugging me now.

which hints towards 2 popping. Then they say this:

Today's Verification Attempt

Today we went again to try and verify our findings. The result: no pop...
On floors 1 and 2 we chose a different route than before. I wonder if that's the problem. On the 6th floor we popped 2 Treants that were both Spring. Umm... I'm confused lol

First they claim they only popped one on the first run, then they claim that they popped 2, one winter and one spring, while the second run, 2 treeants popped, where both were spring.

So unless I'm horribly misreading it due to it being 4:24 AM... I believe what they're stating is that each rampart popped a treeant, they just said that they killed everything untill there were one rampart and 1 treeant left, and state the order in which they killed those.

[divisortheory]

There's a new post on the blog from today, and it appears they popped it a 3rd time. This time they definitely only killed 1 Seasonal Treant. Also if you check the original mob list they posted, they only killed 1 then also.

What I find odd is they are spending an average of 1-2 minutes on QQTHs. How the FUCK are they killing the 3rd Floor QQTH so fast? They only have 1 BLM, and sometimes it looks like they don't have any BLMs. Are we missing something? lol