Salvage - Arrapago Remnants - thread 2

[aurik]

Every single problem you just described, Mdkuser, can be solved by spending another 10min on 1F clearing your way through instead of sneaking/invisibling through. Magic is not rare in this zone if you do it right, and neither are weapons.

Also, why on earth are you giving monks SJ and Abilities if they aren't getting weapons? They're not going to pull hate without them.

Since we spend less time on 1F we can hit and kill every NM in the zone, unlike before when we tried to get everyone their magic/weapon/HP. I always feel that 1F is a waste of time, mobs in higher levels drop more.

My group spends lots of time on 1F farming and we always hit everything.
Last run we did all NMs (Bhoot side) plus boss and card NM. Had 8 people, I think.

[Sidanoir]

I find 30-40 mins..depending on luck MORE than enough for the first floor to seriously pimp people out.....with ability, weapon, magic It really speeds you up later and is worth it...

QQA Only floor..

2 QQTH + bhoot or psyche only floor....

Chariot + QQA..

Clear all gears..

Boss..

So pretty mcuh only 1st and 6th floors = time spent

[Jackalman]

So pretty mcuh only 1st and 6th floors = time spent

You don't even farm dup cells on the 4th floor?

When I take my group to arrapago, we usually spend 30-35 min on the 1st floor, clear SW room of the 2nd floor + QQA, clear 1st room on the 3rd floor while I run to the porter (skipping QQTH), kill all the gears on the 4th floor for dup cells and sometimes farm opa/prae as necessary before killing bhoot/flayer and QQTH, chariot + QQA only on 5th floor, start clearing 6th floor. We usually time out midway thru the 6th floor or get to the boss w/ 1-2 minutes remaining, which is fine since we're not aiming to kill the chariot, but if I could speed things up enough to include the boss and maybe 3F QQTH, that would be nice.

What would you recommend for my group then? Skip farming on 2F and don't farm anything on 4F?

Also, we sometimes have some trouble w/ Bhoot w/ 6-8 ppl, especially if he uses perdition early on -- any advice on that? Group makeup is usually WHM MNK/NINx2 THF RDM BRD NIN and maybe 1 more person.

[Kaylia]

#1 Farm as much as you need...it sucks some day (30-50minutes depending of the gay leve)
#2 kill both lamia since you probably need more magic/ja. Qiqirn after
#3 Send a rdm or blm asap to portal, bio the qiqirn and send it to melee (melee clear first room, save tp and rape it). If they lose it, they clear the 2nd room while rdm send it back a 2nd time
#4 Farm a second subjob for the tanks if we have a whm, if not, farm one for the rdm/whm. Kill qiqirn, kill bhoot
#5 Clear first room, avoid what you can in 2nd (usually end up killing both rampart), someone open the door. Pull and fight chariot, then run back to qiqirn

That's what we do. If we will ever go after the mega, might skip bhoot and/or 5th floor qiqirn on a bad day. Could probably speed up 5th floor as well, but im not sure how. Have someone hurry up to door, pop everything, then logout/unagro rampart?

[Sidanoir]

So pretty mcuh only 1st and 6th floors = time spent

You don't even farm dup cells on the 4th floor?

We kill mobs for SJ on the 5th floor...the 4 gears? in the way of getting to QQA ....3 in first room one in second..only really care about SJ for tanks and a /WHM........usually only need 2 more and get them np in 4 gears

4th floor I don't bother.....if we don't get the drops from first 4 gears on 5th floor....we just pull some in the room with the rampart...why kill 4th floor ones, unless you think you need SJ for one of the NMs..thats only reason I could see

[Sidanoir]

#1 Farm as much as you need...it sucks some day (30-50minutes depending of the gay leve)
#2 kill both lamia since you probably need more magic/ja. Qiqirn after
#3 Send a rdm or blm asap to portal, bio the qiqirn and send it to melee (melee clear first room, save tp and rape it). If they lose it, they clear the 2nd room while rdm send it back a 2nd time
#4 Farm a second subjob for the tanks if we have a whm, if not, farm one for the rdm/whm. Kill qiqirn, kill bhoot
#5 Clear first room, avoid what you can in 2nd (usually end up killing both rampart), someone open the door. Pull and fight chariot, then run back to qiqirn

That's what we do. If we will ever go after the mega, might skip bhoot and/or 5th floor qiqirn on a bad day. Could probably speed up 5th floor as well, but im not sure how. Have someone hurry up to door, pop everything, then logout/unagro rampart?

I forget to say 5th floor = some time too chariot takes a copule of mins..but again its under 10 mins on average for us on 5th floor....6th and 1st are by far longest time...........

We kill the single gears in way to QQA like 4....serves dual purpose..meanwhile we send 1 person to open the door which pops the QQAA and Chariot.....then we kill QQAA and sneak past the rampart with sneak/invis....pull chariot (sometimes sac), have a person at porter after chariot dies

[Kaylia]

Wait...are you telling me sneak/invi works on rampart? I was sure they were true sight lol... >_> Gonna save some time that way

I forget to say 5th floor = some time too chariot takes a copule of mins..but again its under 10 mins on average for us on 5th floor....6th and 1st are by far longest time...........

If we want to be nitpick, floor #6 takes less than 10min to clear Every gears/sj come from that place tho

[Sidanoir]

Wait...are you telling me sneak/invi works on rampart? I was sure they were true sight lol... >_> Gonna save some time that way

I forget to say 5th floor = some time too chariot takes a copule of mins..but again its under 10 mins on average for us on 5th floor....6th and 1st are by far longest time...........

If we want to be nitpick, floor #6 takes less than 10min to clear Every gears/sj come from that place tho

Thats true too, I suppose if i had my pens and paper at work with me that show how long it takes us per floor on salvage runs (i track that >.>) I could give a more accurate answer!

And yeah Ramparts are sneak/invis aggro....gears are true sight but can be avoided pretty easily.

[Ruin]

We are doing arra runs with only 6-7. Pt make up usually: mnk mnk drk drk rdm whm thf. Have encountered a few problems only with killing the 3F QTH, what we have be doin is this: Sneak/invis past first 2 rooms, then kill all the rest til the QTH, a few times the QTH has ran all the way back to the 2 rooms with mobs still.. which is not good. My question is this, for a small group, should we be giving the SJ cell stolen from QA to the rdm/blm so he can grav it, or try

Send a rdm or blm asap to portal, bio the qiqirn and send it to melee (melee clear first room, save tp and rape it). If they lose it, they clear the 2nd room while rdm send it back a 2nd time

2nd option seems interesting and that it could save alot of time on 3F not killing much.

[Arthars]

you should be killing mobs in all rooms up except the huge long room before 3F TH so you have more space for TH

if your doing 3F S route, that may actually give you a chance of extra weapon cell and a 99% magic cell drop off 2 psychflayers

good route since your group gotta need tonnes of magic cell

and your group have 2 monks, i guess best farming route for you in 1F will be SE and NE > warp NE

if your unlucky on ability cells, youo may wanna run to NW and kill the 2 RNG mob.

Magic cell wise,1F SE NE, 2F BRD merrow and 3F mobs should cover everyone

[Uzor]

Is it possible the pop condition is Dependant on the route you take?

The one time they didn't pop the Treasure Hunters, they farmed extra Draugars on first floor instead of Qutrubs. So is it at all possible that if you take North route on third floor, it counts the amount of Skeletons killed, while South route counts the amount of Qutrubs killed? All of the runs it popped on, they took Psycheflayer NM.

So possibly, one of the triggers could simply be kill 30 mobs of the appropriate "type", and then a secondary condition of something like "Kill all ramparts" to explain the oddities of people having done it before and still not popping it.

It seems like the number of archaic gear and gears don't count, as they killed the exact same amount of machinery each time. The first 3 successful pops, they killed 123, 120 and 117 mobs respectively. The unsuccessful one, they killed 117. So the total amount killed don't seem to matter. However, the unsuccessful one they killed 19 Qutrubs and 27 Draugars.

edit: Treasure Hunters, not Astrologers

[Vistani]

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When it rains it pours...I need so many Khroma ores.

[Arthars]

Is it possible the pop condition is Dependant on the route you take?

The one time they didn't pop the astrologers, they farmed extra Draugars on first floor instead of Qutrubs. So is it at all possible that if you take North route on third floor, it counts the amount of Skeletons killed, while South route counts the amount of Qutrubs killed? All of the runs it popped on, they took Psycheflayer NM.

So possibly, one of the triggers could simply be kill 30 mobs of the appropriate "type", and then a secondary condition of something like "Kill all ramparts" to explain the oddities of people having done it before and still not popping it.

It seems like the number of archaic gear and gears don't count, as they killed the exact same amount of machinery each time. The first 3 successful pops, they killed 123, 120 and 117 mobs respectively. The unsuccessful one, they killed 117. So the total amount killed don't seem to matter. However, the unsuccessful one they killed 19 Qutrubs and 27 Draugars.

astrologers are always there in 2F, and if they farm chariot, astrologer should also pop in 5F

its just that they didnt go kill 2F Astrologers that first time they pop the THs

[tymora]

Off Air's Museum on how to pop 6th floor rats, he has this in gray so it is unconfirmed.
1?(1)?4?(2)?5?(3)?6?(2)???6??????????????????????? ???2????POP????????
?1?…???or???10??????????POP???????????????????
?4?…?????????????????????????
?5?…?????????1????????2???????????????1????????? ??2????????
?6?…2???????2?????6????????????POP???2????????

To make it simple, kill all the summoned NMs from each rampart on the 1st/4th/5th/6th floor.
1st floor - Kill Sabotender
4th floor - Crabs on south route, Funguar & Marlboro on north route
5th floor - Octopus and fish on south route, Mandoragora and Goobbue on north route
6th floor - Both treants. The popped doors after initial doors are down do not matter.

No idea if this is true. Anyone free to verify?

[NynJa]

doubt thats it, look at the post 1 page back.

[Uzor]

Is it possible the pop condition is Dependant on the route you take?

The one time they didn't pop the astrologers, they farmed extra Draugars on first floor instead of Qutrubs. So is it at all possible that if you take North route on third floor, it counts the amount of Skeletons killed, while South route counts the amount of Qutrubs killed? All of the runs it popped on, they took Psycheflayer NM.

So possibly, one of the triggers could simply be kill 30 mobs of the appropriate "type", and then a secondary condition of something like "Kill all ramparts" to explain the oddities of people having done it before and still not popping it.

It seems like the number of archaic gear and gears don't count, as they killed the exact same amount of machinery each time. The first 3 successful pops, they killed 123, 120 and 117 mobs respectively. The unsuccessful one, they killed 117. So the total amount killed don't seem to matter. However, the unsuccessful one they killed 19 Qutrubs and 27 Draugars.

astrologers are always there in 2F, and if they farm chariot, astrologer should also pop in 5F

its just that they didnt go kill 2F Astrologers that first time they pop the THs

I ment the one time they didn't pop the Treasure Hunters >.< wrote it at 4 AM

Off Air's Museum on how to pop 6th floor rats, he has this in gray so it is unconfirmed.
1?(1)?4?(2)?5?(3)?6?(2)???6??????????????????????? ???2????POP????????
?1?…???or???10??????????POP???????????????????
?4?…?????????????????????????
?5?…?????????1????????2???????????????1????????? ??2????????
?6?…2???????2?????6????????????POP???2????????

To make it simple, kill all the summoned NMs from each rampart on the 1st/4th/5th/6th floor.
1st floor - Kill Sabotender
4th floor - Crabs on south route, Funguar & Marlboro on north route
5th floor - Octopus and fish on south route, Mandoragora and Goobbue on north route
6th floor - Both treants. The popped doors after initial doors are down do not matter.

No idea if this is true. Anyone free to verify?

That can't be it. 2 of the times it popped, they didn't kill all reinforcement

[Arthars]

i am still guessing:

1.kill all machinery
AND
2.kill at least 1 summon from all possible reinforcement available in the route you take

i still cant do it with my NA group -_- too much mobs for us to make it in time 6 people

[Julian]

Went south.

Killed all ramparts, all reinforcements. (Cactuar was a fucking bitch)

Reached floor6 with like 15min left, we decided to kill the ramparts first, killed treants, no pop.

10min passed, cleared room in 5min, nothing. Got 5min warning and killed the 2 side ramparts, nothing.

It doesn't boil

Restating: Killed all ramparts before 10min warning, nothing. Got the 10min warning about 10-15seconds after the last treant died.

We cleared the rest of the room around the 5min warning.

Cleared all machinery... 3min to the 10min mark

floor1: rampart+cactuar
floor2: killed QQA
floor3: went north, killed QQTH
floor4: cleared all gears, killed one malboro, killed bhoot, killed qqth
floor5: cleared everything, all ramparts summoned 1 reinforcement, did NOT kill qqa
floor6: cleared everything, however, last rampart didn't pop a treant so our "last mob killed" was the rampart, previous rampart had summoned 2.

had 4-5min before 10min warning, no pop after the 10min warning

warped up and armored chariot finally put out some shoes

Do people still think it's something as simple as clearing all machinery? It's been done already, and if it is a machinery condition, it's more specific than just kill everything.

[Sidanoir]

I am guessing no one has been able to replicate the QQTH pop yet? >.<
My shell is taking a break this week but next week when we start up again , I am going to try for this, I think we will have the firepower.....hopefully someone else can confirm it before then <.< needs lots of morrigans

[Wizerd]

I am guessing no one has been able to replicate the QQTH pop yet? >.<
My shell is taking a break this week but next week when we start up again , I am going to try for this, I think we will have the firepower.....hopefully someone else can confirm it before then <.< needs lots of morrigans

Tonight if everyone shows up I'm entering with:

MNK x2
WAR x2
THF x2
WHM x2
RDM x2
BLM
BRD

We should be people rip through the entire zone, clearing exactly what the QQTH group did the first time, but a little faster. Gonna try to get the boss down as well since we should more than be able to.