Salvage - Arrapago Remnants - thread 2

[jerkbox]

maybe it's something really simple like a minimum # of mobs killed before the last 2 seasonal tree ramparts are defeated?

all of the runs that get them to pop seem like kill count was really high

[Uzor]

Did you kill the crabs on floor 4?

Regarding the weather - I've seen wind weather in Bhaflau Remnants (which occurs in thickets), water weather in Arrapago (which occurs in Mire/Reef... has anyone noticed dark/ice weather?) ... has anyone seen Earth/Fire(?) weather in Zhayolm Remnants or Wind(?... boat ride?) weather in SSR?

And can anyone confirm that the Weather in Bhaflau directly translates to weather in Bhaflau Remnants, and so forth?

There's Earth weather in Zhayolm, and Wind weather in Bhaflau.

Don't remember ever seeing Fire, though. Today my group were trying to kill both ramparts on 6th floor Zhayom during Earth weather. Sadly, it disappeared 1 sec before we killed second chariot, so I couldn't verify if that would have popped the madame =/

[recuperi]

fire weather is very rare in zhayolm, but it does happen. i dont think i've ever seen a fire elemental there though

[Neosutra]

1. Time on each floor?
2. Jobs you had ... cause fucking christ at clearing all that and then killing the chariot in under 30 seconds...

I didn't record exact times because I highly doubt it has an effect on whether they pop (and I was too busy passing/lotting shit all night lol).

We had MNK MNK WAR BRD WHM RDM BLM BLM THF.

One thing to note is that they always give magic cell to WHM > BRD > RDM, even in Arrapago and even when only 1 drops. I doubt this speeds up the run but I find it interesting. (They = my JP group who this was with)

Just to clarify, I said we killed the 5F chariot in under 30 seconds, not that hard with a Great Axe WAR who mighty strikes with a Dusty Wing, and 2 MNKs Hundred Fisting with multiple drinks including Barb drink. 2 BLMs spamming nukes helps also. It only has what, 15k HP?

edit: no KC.

My group does magic Rdm -> brd -> whm. Phalanx II is really REALLY nice and makes it so the rdm can main heal everyone just fine AND dispel/sleep. We just make sure rdm dispels ice spikes at start for no paralyna and then the brd dispels when he pulls once he has magic.

As for the chariot, I could see you killing it that fast if you all 2 houred, jsut assumed you saved 2 hours for the last % of the boss (I always save 2 hours just incase we are running low on time).

I guess I just need to bring more melees. My group currently consists of (for arrapogga farming):

rdm whm brd blm mnk nin thf rng

So thats not much damage at start, and not much damage at all I guess even when everyone is geared up. Another mnk + war would probably help alot to get us to the kill numbers you guys seem to be putting out.

[Wizerd]

I do the same for my runs, Whm > Bard > Rdm for magic. Brd helps so much on the first floor it literally feels like you double your damage.

Also you didn't answer the previous poster. On the 4F did you kill the Ramparts and crabs/mushrooms in the small room?

Actually, it was answered in my first post describing my run. Reread the 4F part.

[NynJa]

So I was just going through the number of mobs they killed and type on the 3 QQTHs pops and one no pop.

       MOB             POP     POP    POP     NO
Demonic_Pugil           1       0      1       1
Devil_Manta             2       3      2       3
Nipper                  4       4      4       4
Orobon                  0       1      0       0
Sabotender_Maestro     1        1      1       1
Seasonal_Treant        1        2      1       2

Reinforecements killed that got 6f to pop:
9 11 9
the one run that didnt get 6f to pop had 11 killed
the difference between the 11 reinforcements that got it to pop vs the one that didndt:
an orobon popped on the successful run, and a devil manta popped on the unsuccessful run, however devil mantas have popped on the 9 rampart runs which popped the 6f.

[Kaylia]

Which door did they unlock on 1st floor in those 4 runs? It's obvious 3rd floor was south here tho.

Also, where did they kill the 3 soulflayer? 2 on 3rd floor and the Big Soulflayer?

[NynJa]

Which door did they unlock on 1st floor in those 4 runs? It's obvious 3rd floor was south here tho.

Also, where did they kill the 3 soulflayer? 2 on 3rd floor and the Big Soulflayer?

shrug, go check a couple posts back. the guy i quoted made a compilation of all of the JP runs.

[Kaylia]

I did before asking, but didn't find anything related to the teleport they used.

[Francisco II]

Which door did they unlock on 1st floor in those 4 runs? It's obvious 3rd floor was south here tho.

Also, where did they kill the 3 soulflayer? 2 on 3rd floor and the Big Soulflayer?

Yes.

[Genosync]

fuck if I'm killing all the gears on the 4th floor.

I'm testing Ramparts only. And of course the gears on 5th and 6th, but fuck those 4th floor gears.

I'll let you know how it goes tomorrow. Got screwed tonight because I didn't know the damn sabotender hit that hard. -.-

[Wizerd]

fuck if I'm killing all the gears on the 4th floor.

I'm testing Ramparts only. And of course the gears on 5th and 6th, but fuck those 4th floor gears.

I'll let you know how it goes tomorrow. Got screwed tonight because I didn't know the damn sabotender hit that hard. -.-

You do know there is only 7 gears on 4F right? That's a total of 3.5 minutes max lol.

[Uzor]

As for the chariot, I could see you killing it that fast if you all 2 houred, jsut assumed you saved 2 hours for the last % of the boss (I always save 2 hours just incase we are running low on time).

Well, to be honest, you'll be at about the same time, maybe slightly less time, if you 2-hour on the boss Whether you 2-hour the chariot or not, you'll still have 30 min to do chariot and boss, assuming you engage the chariot on 30 min mark.

[Millael]

Well, out of complete random speculation and conjecture, we tried leaving up all the chests that dropped on floor 6 in hopes of attracting THes. (I know, this sounds fucking dumb, but both of the TH pictures have what look to be freshly opened chests, so we figured it was worth a shot.) Well, someone opened a chest before I got this bright idea, so we couldn't get the best test possible, but with 3 chests up on the floor after clearing the main room, nothing popped. We're going to try this again next time, hopefully with less accidental chest popping.


Also, Water weather was in effect on floor 3, and the trees that popped were winter-class.

[Wizerd]

Well, out of complete random speculation and conjecture, we tried leaving up all the chests that dropped on floor 6 in hopes of attracting THes. (I know, this sounds fucking dumb, but both of the TH pictures have what look to be freshly opened chests, so we figured it was worth a shot.) Well, someone opened a chest before I got this bright idea, so we couldn't get the best test possible, but with 3 chests up on the floor after clearing the main room, nothing popped. We're going to try this again next time, hopefully with less accidental chest popping.


Also, Water weather was in effect on floor 3, and the trees that popped were winter-class.

I opened every single chest in the run when I popped them last night. Took lotsa things out of them too.

[Kaylia]

A treasure chest trigger could be interesting, but I doubt any of those group left a chest unopened. Doubt they emptied any too.
Maybe you need to pop a certain # of chest total? Killing everything would increase the probability to reach that number and this is why those run popped it?


About first floor rampart, is there any way to tell what trigger it? Maybe it's possible to tell which one based on the loot in the chest. I don't have any rng in my run to widescan, but I'm kinda interested to know if there is pattern, to avoid wasting time running back.

[Lordwafik]

About first floor rampart, is there any way to tell what trigger it? Maybe it's possible to tell which one based on the loot in the chest. I don't have any rng in my run to widescan, but I'm kinda interested to know if there is pattern, to avoid wasting time running back.

A certain lamia on the first floor will pop the Rampart on 1f.

[Wizerd]

About first floor rampart, is there any way to tell what trigger it? Maybe it's possible to tell which one based on the loot in the chest. I don't have any rng in my run to widescan, but I'm kinda interested to know if there is pattern, to avoid wasting time running back.

A certain lamia on the first floor will pop the Rampart on 1f.

And that certain lamia will always be random from my understanding. If you bring any BLMs just leave them where it pops to keep watch.

[mackerel]

About first floor rampart, is there any way to tell what trigger it? Maybe it's possible to tell which one based on the loot in the chest. I don't have any rng in my run to widescan, but I'm kinda interested to know if there is pattern, to avoid wasting time running back.

A certain lamia on the first floor will pop the Rampart on 1f.

And that certain lamia will always be random from my understanding. If you bring any BLMs just leave them where it pops to keep watch.

I've gone a few times with a JP group that claims the rampart pops after 10 lamia die. It has happened as they predicted each time. Does anyone have information to contradict that theory?

[divisortheory]

About first floor rampart, is there any way to tell what trigger it? Maybe it's possible to tell which one based on the loot in the chest. I don't have any rng in my run to widescan, but I'm kinda interested to know if there is pattern, to avoid wasting time running back.

A certain lamia on the first floor will pop the Rampart on 1f.

And that certain lamia will always be random from my understanding. If you bring any BLMs just leave them where it pops to keep watch.

I've gone a few times with a JP group that claims the rampart pops after 10 lamia die. It has happened as they predicted each time. Does anyone have information to contradict that theory?

Seems fairly in line with my experience actually. I was always skeptical about the random lamia thing because nobody had ever seen a rampart pop with like 2 or 3 lamia killed. But every time I've ever popped it, it's always during the time when we're clearing the 3rd wing.