Salvage - Arrapago Remnants - thread 2

[Francisco II]

Water Weather again with the latest sighting... I'm thinking there may be something to this...

Questions:

1) Is there a direct correlation between the weather in Arrapago Remnants and the weather in Arrapago Reef?

2) Is the weather in Arrapago Remnants possibly triggered by our actions?

3) I remember seeing a NPC in the .DAT files called "Weather" - is this in every zone, or is it unique to Salvage?

4) Does weather vary by server, or is it consistent across all servers? For example, if it's raining in La Theine on Alexander, does that mean it's raining in La Theine on Bahamut, Asura, etc?

[Wizerd]

1F : 10 Lamia + Rampart
2F : QQA
3F : QQTH
4F : All Ramparts + All Gears + QQTH
5F : All Gears + All Ramparts + Archaic Chariot + QQA
6F : All Gears + 2 Ramparts

Grats. Just a couple questions since I've popped them:

1F: What else did you kill?
3F: Did you kill the first 3 rooms? And more importantly, South or North to port to 4F?
4F: Did you kill the Bhoot/Psycheflayer NM on this floor?
6F: Time it next time. <_<

[Vishnevskiy]

1F : 10 Lamia + Rampart
2F : QQA
3F : QQTH
4F : All Ramparts + All Gears + QQTH
5F : All Gears + All Ramparts + Archaic Chariot + QQA
6F : All Gears + 2 Ramparts

Grats. Just a couple questions since I've popped them:

1F: What else did you kill?
3F: Did you kill the first 3 rooms? And more importantly, South or North to port to 4F?
4F: Did you kill the Bhoot/Psycheflayer NM on this floor?
6F: Time it next time. <_<

1F killed all West side , left the last 2 undead on NE, and left like 5 undead in SE
3F only killed first room south (to flayer)
4F: skipped flayer
6F: probably around 7min like u said but wasnt timed, but we did port to the 6th floor when we had 20min left and after they poped and we engaged them came the 10min warning

[Gwynplaine]

Water Weather again with the latest sighting... I'm thinking there may be something to this...

Questions:

1) Is there a direct correlation between the weather in Arrapago Remnants and the weather in Arrapago Reef?

2) Is the weather in Arrapago Remnants possibly triggered by our actions?

3) I remember seeing a NPC in the .DAT files called "Weather" - is this in every zone, or is it unique to Salvage?

4) Does weather vary by server, or is it consistent across all servers? For example, if it's raining in La Theine on Alexander, does that mean it's raining in La Theine on Bahamut, Asura, etc?

I don't think, and would hope weather has anything to do with spawning Salvage NM. The "weather" text in the .dat info is probably referring to the outdoors environments graphic. In the dialog table of each remnant and nyzul is this:

DEBUG: Environment is now sea.
DEBUG: Environment is now air.

So I think all it is, is the setting that tells it to display the environment outside as either underwater (for first floors) or a sky (for top floors). Besides all of that, this pic shows no weather in effect when they were spawned.
http://blog-imgs-11.fc2.com/s/a/r/sa...0070906_01.jpg

So a capricious condition such as weather can probably be disregarded.

[Indiana]

http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/5...8004350jz1.png

Got them to pop, unfortunately popped them at the 15 seconds remaining marker, which leads me to believe time isn't a factor. Also, you can't see it in the picture, but we had dark weather up.

1F: killed all mobs in NW, SW, and SE wings.So all Qutrubs were killed. Killed Rampart. Did not kill Sabotendur. Up SW.
2f: 2 Lamia + QQA.
3f: moved East. Killed 6 Drauger. 3 Lamia. 2 Gespent. Killed QQTH. Killed a Gespent that agroed QQTH puller.
4f: killed all gears, ramparts. Killed QQTH. Killed Big Bhoot
5f. killed all ramparts, gears, chariot, QQA.
6f. Reached 6th floor with 7 minutes left. Killed all gears. Both Ramparts. Only one rampart did reinforcements. 2 QQTHs pop with 15 seconds left

[Vishnevskiy]

How long did you stay on floor 1?

[Francisco II]

I think we should start paying strict attention to the weather in Arrapago - a specific action may cause weather to spawn in these areas.

If you notice weather pop immediately after engaging or defeating a specific monster, opening a door, clearing a room, etc - I'd say document it.

[Indiana]

We started heading to the rampart on the first floor at the 32 minute marker. Left one person at the porter. We killed it pretty fast and went up immediatly. Good chance we killed it before 40 minutes.

[Wizrow]

Cleared the final floor in 6 minutes 45 seconds hu?

This 7 minute thing is looking better and better

[Ruin]

So the mystery is getting close to solved.

Has anyone Not seen them pop if all "machinery" in the zone are killed and 6F in under 7mins?

I really dont see it having anything to do with weather, I was begininning to think it was just a random chance to pop them after 6F cleared and thats it, really didnt see SE giving the chance to 100% for sure kill 4 QTHS in 1 run.

[Wizerd]

So the mystery is getting close to solved.

Has anyone Not seen them pop if all "machinery" in the zone are killed and 6F in under 7mins?

I really dont see it having anything to do with weather, I was begininning to think it was just a random chance to pop them after 6F cleared and thats it, really didnt see SE giving the chance to 100% for sure kill 4 QTHS in 1 run.

Considering the shitty drop rates on Macha's Coat and even Deimos's Cuirass, I saw SE giving us the chance.

[Wizerd]

Just a note, today my group killed all Archaics and hit up 6F with just over 8min left. We ended up taking about 7min 20sec to clear the floor, and the QQs never popped. We went North route, however. It should be possible in theory to pop the QQTHs having gone North route. I want to see a North route pop.

[pchan]

Just a note, today my group killed all Archaics and hit up 6F with just over 8min left. We ended up taking about 7min 20sec to clear the floor, and the QQs never popped. We went North route, however. It should be possible in theory to pop the QQTHs having gone North route. I want to see a North route pop.

Did you try duplicating the run you did with your JP group ?

[Wizerd]

Just a note, today my group killed all Archaics and hit up 6F with just over 8min left. We ended up taking about 7min 20sec to clear the floor, and the QQs never popped. We went North route, however. It should be possible in theory to pop the QQTHs having gone North route. I want to see a North route pop.

Did you try duplicating the run you did with your JP group ?

The players in my group aren't geared well enough nor quite as skilled in terms of working with each other, in order to do that, so I didn't try. I could prune my group to be nearly as good as my JP group but I'm a nice person.

I might also try explaining things before the run instead of on the fly. *shrug*

[Gwynplaine]

Just a note, today my group killed all Archaics and hit up 6F with just over 8min left. We ended up taking about 7min 20sec to clear the floor, and the QQs never popped. We went North route, however. It should be possible in theory to pop the QQTHs having gone North route. I want to see a North route pop.

Didn't Indiana on the previous page do just that? They must have if they took the North route with Bhoot enemies, ya?

[asnman]

Well we just did another AR run today with successful results~

http://home.comcast.net/~asnmagicplayer916/qqthx2.jpg

Didn't follow any real strat, the key here is indeed clearing 6th Floor in under 7 mins, we skipped many ramparts, didn't kill all gears so all those floors below are BS to pop those last 2 on floor 6, Another thing I also noticed was that the second rampart didn't pop a reinforcement, only 1 did, also notice no weather as well so weather had nothing to do with it. Others can try and clear floor 6 in under 7 mins and confirm cause we didnt really kill certain things at all.

Enjoy ^^

[Francisco II]

Awesome, if that is indeed the pop condition - even though it sounds like it can get messy fast if you rush the Floor too much.

What is the behavior of these two QQTHs anyway... where do they run back and forth from?

[asnman]

Both of them run opposite directions each onto a portal from each side where the doors were

[Lyramion]

Awesome - Well I guess its logical ppl think you have to clear all gears etc - because they got people many cells so were able to clear 6th floor faster.

[Seditedi]

Did you guys pop the 1F rampart?