Salvage - Arrapago Remnants - thread 2

[Narse]

I've always thought that the next kind of aggro they should introduce is True-Job and True-Race aggro... Mobs that specifically aggro to Rangers, or Puppetmasters, or Red Mages... Or Tarutarus, or Elvaans, or Galkas...

That would be such a cool thing to introduce. They've introduced mobs that aggro Job Abilities... Why not Jobs themselves?

Yes, then they can add new items like Mithra Urine to mask my Tarutaru scent and let me pass undetected by Taru-aggroing mobs!

[Aemora]

Hey, my name is Aemora, not Almalexia.

:<

[Almalexia]

Hey, my name is Aemora, not Almalexia.

:<

ITT I reply to myself.

[Narse]

Fixed.

[Aemora]

omgggg "Some Guy" wtf...

Does 'Aemora' read like a man to you?????

DOES IT!?!?!?!

(Well I have a penis sooooo)

[Ambir]

Sometimes they aggro, sometimes they don't. If you put invis up, I think they will never aggro. I've been the sole chariot popper over 15 times. I've had aggro without invis a few times, but with invis I've never gotten aggro.

I'm going with the "strange". I've popped this chariot 7-8 times, and half the time the rampart aggroes me (with sneak/invis up) and half the times it's left me alone. Whenever it's left me alone on the way in, it leaves me alone on the way out too. I had figured that there was a path you could run in where it wouldn't see you (run in along the wall so you're never in front of it, and then stick to the left wall till you hit the door), but after 3 successful runs doing that it aggroed me last run anyway...

[Munkey]

I dont know if this has been theorized, but let me float something past you 6th floor TH's when you kill everything and open the gate it spawns two more ramparts. Those ramparts began spawning Korrigans. Now before the update most people had little time at that point and went on up. Could it be possible that this acts similar to the Zhalom NMs where the rampart act's as a spawner and the TH's are a rare pop. Discuss.

[Wizerd]

I dont know if this has been theorized, but let me float something past you 6th floor TH's when you kill everything and open the gate it spawns two more ramparts. Those ramparts began spawning Korrigans. Now before the update most people had little time at that point and went on up. Could it be possible that this acts similar to the Zhalom NMs where the rampart act's as a spawner and the TH's are a rare pop. Discuss.

Actually, I was looking at the DATs again today, and before today I thought the QQTHs were listed last on the 6th floor because someone else had mentioned that they were. However, they are listed before the repopping ramparts, which leads me to believe it's possible to pop the QQTHs without opening the door, or if it does require opening the door, at least has nothing to do with the repopping ramparts.

A friend and I have been toying with the theory that killing the two Ramparts that sit in the room already first will spawn the QQTHs, perhaps without aggroing any of the gears. It's probably possible to pull them without linking any gears. There are a whole number of possible conditions that could just have to do with the ramparts, also. Since there are two, one rampart would correspond to one QQTH, and it would probably spawn off in those side rooms as expected.

[divisortheory]

I dont know if this has been theorized, but let me float something past you 6th floor TH's when you kill everything and open the gate it spawns two more ramparts. Those ramparts began spawning Korrigans. Now before the update most people had little time at that point and went on up. Could it be possible that this acts similar to the Zhalom NMs where the rampart act's as a spawner and the TH's are a rare pop. Discuss.

What makes you think that Ramparts spawn NMs in Zhayolm?

[Wizerd]

I dont know if this has been theorized, but let me float something past you 6th floor TH's when you kill everything and open the gate it spawns two more ramparts. Those ramparts began spawning Korrigans. Now before the update most people had little time at that point and went on up. Could it be possible that this acts similar to the Zhalom NMs where the rampart act's as a spawner and the TH's are a rare pop. Discuss.

What makes you think that Ramparts spawn NMs in Zhayolm?

He obviously meant the Bhaflau Ramparts.

[divisortheory]

Oh, didn't think of that. I've read theories that say the Madames pop from Ramparts lol, so I thought maybe he had heard something similar with some actual evidence (would only apply to 6F anyway).

[Wizerd]

Oh, didn't think of that. I've read theories that say the Madames pop from Ramparts lol, so I thought maybe he had heard something similar with some actual evidence (would only apply to 6F anyway).

Someone go try killing the two Ramparts on 6F without killing (or aggroing?) anything else. >=o

[NynJa]

according to the dats, theres a rampart that pops saplings on the 6th, though all my endavours up there has only found ramparts with korrigans (the ones that pop after the door is opened)

[Lordwafik]

Today we fully cleared the top floor, opened the door, then killed those two ramparts before heading to boss (yay Freyr's legs x2). One of those ramparts had saplings, it was the one closer to the porter.

[Narse]

Today we fully cleared the top floor, opened the door, then killed those two ramparts before heading to boss (yay Freyr's legs x2). One of those ramparts had saplings, it was the one closer to the porter.

Yeah, fooling around there before the patch my group has cleared the floor, which popped a rampart in one room that spawned korrigans, and killing that one spawned a rampart in the other room that spawned saplings.

[divisortheory]

Actually the more I think about it, the more I think that maybe the QQTH (Arrapago) and Madame (Zhayolm) are rare spawns from the 6F Ramparts. I may test this eventually, but right now there's just too much crap we need from Zhayolm boss. Lots of ppl are 2/3. Could probably arrange to test this in Arrapago pretty soon though, since boss is kind of useless anyway right now.

[Kaylia]

Actually the more I think about it, the more I think that maybe the QQTH (Arrapago) and Madame (Zhayolm) are rare spawns from the 6F Ramparts. I may test this eventually, but right now there's just too much crap we need from Zhayolm boss. Lots of ppl are 2/3. Could probably arrange to test this in Arrapago pretty soon though, since boss is kind of useless anyway right now.

What's the spawn rate on those rampart? Same as bhaflau NM rampart, or just pop one once in a while like the one earlier floor? I might try a few thing in arrapago next run if we dont get jewed on first floor

1) Hold rampart and kill pet only?
2) Pull both/kill both same time? Kill the pet at same time?

[divisortheory]

Actually the more I think about it, the more I think that maybe the QQTH (Arrapago) and Madame (Zhayolm) are rare spawns from the 6F Ramparts. I may test this eventually, but right now there's just too much crap we need from Zhayolm boss. Lots of ppl are 2/3. Could probably arrange to test this in Arrapago pretty soon though, since boss is kind of useless anyway right now.

What's the spawn rate on those rampart? Same as bhaflau NM rampart, or just pop one once in a while like the one earlier floor? I might try a few thing in arrapago next run if we dont get jewed on first floor

1) Hold rampart and kill pet only?
2) Pull both/kill both same time? Kill the pet at same time?

Never killed the ones in Arrapago, but in Zhayolm the manticores apparently take a really long time to kill. And I've only ever heard of them spawning one mob, because nobody really fights them. Not sure if more than one can be out, or if they can even call again after one dies.

[aurik]

Manticores in Zhayolm don't take long to kill. They have like 15k? HP each. Maybe their HP was changed with the nerf? They drop chests packed full of good meds, nothing else. Nothing pops when you kill both ramparts and manticores.

[Zhais]

Random question...

What do people do for fighting the 4f Psycheflayer NM? Anything special?

Both times I've tried it so far it's kicked our asses. Only had two subjob cells last time, one rdm/whm and a nin/war. Paralyna + mind purge wiped us. Found its rather easy to kite, but didn't really have the job setup or people alive to just kite and nuke.

our setup: nin war thf blmx2 rdmx2 brd