Perdu Blade questions.

[LinktheDeme]

No, but i can tell you that if you play "who swings more often" against u/u you're probably going to lose. A properly geared nin will actually get more juice out of senj.

The increments on improving my nin gear is very minimal at this point so you really have no idea wtf you're talking about. Aside from that it has no arguement disproving the parse because our gear near identical except for maybe +5 acc he had on me nothing ground breaking. And aside from that my WS gear was much better. Get your head out of your ass and stop making retarded comments.

Says the guy using ninja chainmail with 84% acc?

Because thief mobs don't bring down your accuracy average by alot?

Thief mob, singular, it doesn't bring your accuracy down that much, especially as 1 of the ~10 mobs that you kill there.

Oh and your edit can be summarized as "yes I am an idiot who fights in ninja chainmail when my accuracy is far from cap and my attack is retardedly low"

No obviously your retarded because even if its 1 in 10 mobs if you have a 55% acc rate on that one mob your avg will go down alot and on nin is around 80%.

With an 84.6% acc including thief mobs would bring me somewhere
around 88%(Maybe higher?) for every other mob. So tell when your at 88% accuracy for other mobs how the fuck is it not a good idea to use something that increases ur attack speed by 5% when your acc is around 88%

edit: Actually that would leave me with around 90% on other mobs according to the parse if im not mistaken

edit#2: What your pretty much saying is use ohat over walhara turban pretty much

[aurik]

Thief mob, singular, it doesn't bring your accuracy down that much, especially as 1 of the ~10 mobs that you kill there.

Oh and your edit can be summarized as "yes I am an idiot who fights in ninja chainmail when my accuracy is far from cap and my attack is retardedly low"

No obviously your retarded because even if its 1 in 10 mobs if you have a 55% acc rate on that one mob your avg will go down alot and on nin is around 80%.

With an 84.6% acc including thief mobs would bring me somewhere
around 88%(Maybe higher?) for every other mob. So tell when your at 88% accuracy for other mobs how the fuck is it not a good idea to use something that increases ur attack speed by 5% when your acc is around 88%

Because haub does a lot more than just increase your acc by 12.5=6.25% (15=7.5% on hq)?

[LinktheDeme]

Thief mob, singular, it doesn't bring your accuracy down that much, especially as 1 of the ~10 mobs that you kill there.

Oh and your edit can be summarized as "yes I am an idiot who fights in ninja chainmail when my accuracy is far from cap and my attack is retardedly low"

No obviously your retarded because even if its 1 in 10 mobs if you have a 55% acc rate on that one mob your avg will go down alot and on nin is around 80%.

With an 84.6% acc including thief mobs would bring me somewhere
around 88%(Maybe higher?) for every other mob. So tell when your at 88% accuracy for other mobs how the fuck is it not a good idea to use something that increases ur attack speed by 5% when your acc is around 88%

Because haub does a lot more than just increase your acc by 12.5=6.25% (15=7.5% on hq)?

Anyways this post was originally to show that Unji + Perdu > Senj + Perdu. Because of his avg ws was close to mine and his total ws dmg being higher, when my ws gear was better. And my TP gear was VERY close to his(He had 7acc more). He was using U+U and came close to Senj + Perdu which should conclude that Unji + Perdu should be best unles U+U has some hidden latent.

[Guyverarmor]

I like where this thread Is going.

[aurik]

Thief mob, singular, it doesn't bring your accuracy down that much, especially as 1 of the ~10 mobs that you kill there.

Oh and your edit can be summarized as "yes I am an idiot who fights in ninja chainmail when my accuracy is far from cap and my attack is retardedly low"

No obviously your retarded because even if its 1 in 10 mobs if you have a 55% acc rate on that one mob your avg will go down alot and on nin is around 80%.
With an 84.6% acc including thief mobs would bring me somewhere
around 88%(Maybe higher?) for every other mob. So tell when your at 88% accuracy for other mobs how the fuck is it not a good idea to use something that increases ur attack speed by 5% when your acc is around 88%

Because haub does a lot more than just increase your acc by 12.5=6.25% (15=7.5% on hq)?

Anyways this post was originally to show that Unji + Perdu > Senj + Perdu. Because of his avg ws was close to mine and his total ws dmg being higher, when my ws gear was better. And my TP gear was VERY close to his(He had 7acc more). He was using U+U and came close to Senj + Perdu which should conclude that Unji + Perdu should be best unles U+U has some hidden latent.

Except that WS is way less than half your overall damage, so maybe you should concentrate on what's really important hmm?

[cassiraa]

Anyways this post was originally to show that Unji + Perdu > Senj + Perdu. Because of his avg ws was close to mine and his total ws dmg being higher, when my ws gear was better. And my TP gear was VERY close to his(He had 7acc more). He was using U+U and came close to Senj + Perdu which should conclude that Unji + Perdu should be best unles U+U has some hidden latent.

Even though it's being said, I'd like to reinforce that Senj NIN and U/U NIN are 2 different games that require different setups. He's built differently, because he's using a different pure-attack speed u/u playstyle. You can't play for speed if you're mainhanding a Senji, by using Senji main hand, you're playing for damage, and should prepare accordingly.

It's not quite as bad as giving a Ridill WAR's merits to a 2 Axe WAR or vice versa, but it's the same idea. You'll do good, but you need to focus on your strengths.

[LinktheDeme]

Thief mob, singular, it doesn't bring your accuracy down that much, especially as 1 of the ~10 mobs that you kill there.

Oh and your edit can be summarized as "yes I am an idiot who fights in ninja chainmail when my accuracy is far from cap and my attack is retardedly low"

No obviously your retarded because even if its 1 in 10 mobs if you have a 55% acc rate on that one mob your avg will go down alot and on nin is around 80%.
With an 84.6% acc including thief mobs would bring me somewhere
around 88%(Maybe higher?) for every other mob. So tell when your at 88% accuracy for other mobs how the fuck is it not a good idea to use something that increases ur attack speed by 5% when your acc is around 88%

Because haub does a lot more than just increase your acc by 12.5=6.25% (15=7.5% on hq)?

Anyways this post was originally to show that Unji + Perdu > Senj + Perdu. Because of his avg ws was close to mine and his total ws dmg being higher, when my ws gear was better. And my TP gear was VERY close to his(He had 7acc more). He was using U+U and came close to Senj + Perdu which should conclude that Unji + Perdu should be best unles U+U has some hidden latent.

Except that WS is way less than half your overall damage, so maybe you should concentrate on what's really important hmm?

You just like to bitch about being wrong don't you? I'd have around 88-90% acc on other mobs if thiefs and nins were not included. If I used hauby i'd lose 50 swings approx(I'm not sure how it would be with having the 70% attack increase thing from haste and then a 5% increase from dual wield) That's about 1300 dmg (if following avg jin) from ws and 2500 dmg from melee. With 88-90% acc on other mobs that seems silly, You might as well tell people to use ohate instead of walhara turban. On that note i'm done fueling a retard that doesnt have nin leveled iirc

All in all Unji + Perdu > Senj + Perdu

edit: and for the record Senj + Perdu = 417 delay and U + U = 402 delay.

[Shuemue]

He has 75 nin, but why would he use it when his mnk is decked?

[Judai]

You are missing his point LtD. You are not playing to your strengths. You are trying to play like a u/u or u/p when you are s/p. You need to play to the strength of your katanas.

Also, when you get to those THF mobs, maybe add in Haub or something instead of the Chainmail. I know for all my jobs I have a different set for when I need more acc and shit. There is no point to hitting harder or faster when you are just missing.

[ringthree]

Also, wouldn't a parse with unequal accuracy not really prove anything? You were very close in damage to begin with, in a situation were the U/U NIN was more properly geared for their role and the S/P NIN was not? I would suggest doing this again with both NIN using equal Sushi and a bit of gear correction to get more accurate numbers.

This is all besides the point that the numbers were so close that to say that this one random parse is conclusive about anything just shows a lack of understanding of statistics.

.02% difference doesn't prove anything at all.

[Tulia]

Eh, I hardly post, but I just want to throw in my experiences on my 3 lolmerit jobs war mnk nin when I merit. Having more accuracy in most cases, over a few points of haste will result in higher overall damage. Same would go for attack, ie using meat, kotes vs dusk, sushi... Using Nin Chainmail, I can gurantee you, you won't out parse my NIN with Haub+1, or even Haub. Nor you will outparse my WAR, even though it does swing slower. I won't even go to my MNK. Unless you have 3 Bards, singing 2x acc,atk,haste, NIN chainmail will fail vs haub/+1, so will lolmodifiers nin tekko+1, vs attack kotes. Too bad you aren't on my server or I can prove to you, my setup will do more overall damage than yours, and yes my NIN currently has max merits (8 Katana). Aurik is correct, weather you believe him or not.

[Bakthi]

Also, when you get to those THF mobs, maybe add in Haub or something instead of the Chainmail. I know for all my jobs I have a different set for when I need more acc and shit. There is no point to hitting harder or faster when you are just missing.

I do the same thing (on the rare occasion I'm allowed/asked to use my NIN in merits); I bring along at least Life Belt and yes, Ohat, and usually end up tossing both of them on, plus the haub, for those accursed THF Mamools.

Was this Link guy the same one that said BRDs are too busy to pull in merit parties? I seem to remember my all-time favorite, "your retarded", surfacing in that thread as well.

[LinktheDeme]

Also, wouldn't a parse with unequal accuracy not really prove anything? You were very close in damage to begin with, in a situation were the U/U NIN was more properly geared for their role and the S/P NIN was not? I would suggest doing this again with both NIN using equal Sushi and a bit of gear correction to get more accurate numbers.

This is all besides the point that the numbers were so close that to say that this one random parse is conclusive about anything just shows a lack of understanding of statistics.

.02% difference doesn't prove anything at all.

we both were using sushi and my acc gear was fine was 84.6% with lurkers and nin mobs without would be 88-90%.

Also was only one parse yes but was over about 170 battles which i'd say is a high enough level for the curve line to flatten out a bit, but yes more parses would help.

@ about 3 AM we pted again pt was

Me
Mandau Thief
Redline
BRDx2
rdm

Mandau thief had this for tp gear

mandau + blau doch
Walhara (and ohat sometimes)
homam body
cerb mantle +1
swift belt
homam hands
homam legs
homam feet
rajas
sniper +1
suppa
brutal
firebomblet

WS:
Same weapons
nhat+1
Dragon harness+1
nhands+1
nlegs+1
nfeet+1
warwolf
(other gear remained same)

I used Unji/perdu this time was the difference, as well as a new pt member (didn't think itd matter too much because me and redline had pretty much identical dmg% last time.

At mamool ja staging point, (We camped on skoffins inbetween south and north camp because it was crowded) I parsed
http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s.../UnjiPerdu.jpg
Now I know it was in about 3 seperate parses and I turned off parser after I died second time because I was annoyed with thief keep changing gear that and well I died before I died though was tie with mandau thief.

I also know that its not a long enough parse. to prove anything and I know i had 82% acc when thief had sushi meh to puk blind. But anyway difference was very significant because I never came close to relic thief's damage and this time was exactly even while tanking mob. Unji/ Perdu is just much better but you need to be fast with WS macros.

Also not posting again because this will turn into another flame fest when I have nothing to gain and am helping you guys with which katana choice is best.

Oh and I did say BRDs were too busy when its one brd. cor and brdx1 pt brd should sub whm and help with paralyna (varying on camp). I don't really care what you guys think though because you turn anything into a flame fest all that I care about is the 25k- 30k/hr I get

[aurik]

Did you just say you were annoyed that the thf kept changing gear?

[Amastacia]

we both were using sushi and my acc gear was fine was 84.6% with lurkers and nin mobs without would be 88-90%.

Also was only one parse yes but was over about 170 battles which i'd say is a high enough level for the curve line to flatten out a bit, but yes more parses would help.

@ about 3 AM we pted again pt was

Me
Mandau Thief
Redline
BRDx2
rdm

<snip>

I used Unji/perdu this time was the difference, as well as a new pt member (didn't think itd matter too much because me and redline had pretty much identical dmg% last time.

At mamool ja staging point, (We camped on skoffins inbetween south and north camp because it was crowded) I parsed
<snip>
Now I know it was in about 3 seperate parses and I turned off parser after I died second time because I was annoyed with thief keep changing gear that and well I died before I died though was tie with mandau thief.

I also know that its not a long enough parse. to prove anything and I know i had 82% acc when thief had sushi meh to puk blind. But anyway difference was very significant because I never came close to relic thief's damage and this time was exactly even while tanking mob. Unji/ Perdu is just much better but you need to be fast with WS macros.

Also not posting again because this will turn into another flame fest when I have nothing to gain and am helping you guys with which katana choice is best.

Oh and I did say BRDs were too busy when its one brd. cor and brdx1 pt brd should sub whm and help with paralyna (varying on camp). I don't really care what you guys think though because you turn anything into a flame fest all that I care about is the 25k- 30k/hr I get

You're giving an opinion based on your gear and playstyle which you feel is best.

Problem is, as has been repeatedly illustrated in this thread, you're a moron, so you're not much help at all.

For one who doesn't care, you're awful hell-bent on proving that your way is right.

You don't use multiple TP gear macros for strike 1, you parse one or two sessions with sub-optimal setups for the katanas in question and treat that as gospel for strike 2, and then you cap it all off by pulling out the retarded XP/hr card for strike 3.

Fuck off.

[Livette]

If it's all about playing to the strenghts of different Katana sets what would be the optimal setup (or at least your opinion) for:

U/U
Unji/Perdu
Senj/Perdu
Senj/Fudo

"Not" which is better ... what would the best gear set for each build?

I'm just curious as I'm a newish 75 Nin and haven't spent to much time on these questions.

[draxyl]

What I really want to see is a good senj/fudo vs. senj/perdu comparison, and there needs to be a vast gulf of damage improvement so that I can justify doing 600 assault runs to level up from PFC to SL.

[solsovly]

What I really want to see is a good senj/fudo vs. senj/perdu comparison, and there needs to be a vast gulf of damage improvement so that I can justify doing 600 assault runs to level up from PFC to SL.

Do new assaults for clears and you could rank up within a month and get a great deal of points for other gears or salvage. Plus there are a lot of fun assaults.

[aurik]

If it's all about playing to the strenghts of different Katana sets what would be the optimal setup (or at least your opinion) for:

U/U
Unji/Perdu
Senj/Perdu
Senj/Fudo

"Not" which is better ... what would the best gear set for each build?

I'm just curious as I'm a newish 75 Nin and haven't spent to much time on these questions.

U/P > U/U, no reason to use the latter as it's just a less potent setup of the former. Focus on +haste, +dw, +str, use sushi, to maximize the number of times per minute you apply your fSTR bonus.

S/P, leverage the +5acc / +10att on your offhand to try to build for meat. Less focus on +dw, moderate focus on +haste, but heavy focus on +acc so that you can put up high 70s, low 80s in most camps without madrigal.

S/F, not sure why you'd use this with perdu around.

[draxyl]

What I really want to see is a good senj/fudo vs. senj/perdu comparison, and there needs to be a vast gulf of damage improvement so that I can justify doing 600 assault runs to level up from PFC to SL.

Do new assaults for clears and you could rank up within a month and get a great deal of points for other gears or salvage. Plus there are a lot of fun assaults.

Alright sols, I'll give it the old college try....but if I still hate it, I'm going to come over to your house and eat all your donuts and drink all your beer.