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    Re: Perdu Blade questions.

    Quote Originally Posted by draxyl
    Quote Originally Posted by solsovly
    Quote Originally Posted by draxyl
    What I really want to see is a good senj/fudo vs. senj/perdu comparison, and there needs to be a vast gulf of damage improvement so that I can justify doing 600 assault runs to level up from PFC to SL.
    Do new assaults for clears and you could rank up within a month and get a great deal of points for other gears or salvage. Plus there are a lot of fun assaults.
    Alright sols, I'll give it the old college try....but if I still hate it, I'm going to come over to your house and eat all your donuts and drink all your beer.
    Just don't go with pickups;p And byob and byod.

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    Re: Perdu Blade questions.

    Quote Originally Posted by aurik
    U/P > U/U, no reason to use the latter as it's just a less potent setup of the former. Focus on +haste, +dw, +str, use sushi, to maximize the number of times per minute you apply your fSTR bonus.

    S/P, leverage the +5acc / +10att on your offhand to try to build for meat. Less focus on +dw, moderate focus on +haste, but heavy focus on +acc so that you can put up high 70s, low 80s in most camps without madrigal.

    S/F, not sure why you'd use this with perdu around.
    U/P= bomblet/core, turban, pcc, brutal/suppa, af(+1) body, dusk, rajas/flame?, foragers, swift/speed, haidate, fuma

    S/P= bomblet, ohat?, pcc, brutal/suppa, haub(+1), dusk/okote?, rajas/sniper(x2?), foragers, swift/speed (life?), haidate, fuma(pln?)

    Really not all that drastically different, and losing 10%+ haste just to eat meat is sketchy in my book. Not really doing a whole lot for your fSTR when the only addition is a flame ring, especially after losing 5/6 from body slot for the DW. Realistically, you're looking at switching bodypieces and possibly headgear for meat, and maybe belt. So dropping 10% haste 5% dw for a significantly lower hitrate and 70ish atk...

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    Re: Perdu Blade questions.

    Quote Originally Posted by Beckwin
    Quote Originally Posted by aurik
    U/P > U/U, no reason to use the latter as it's just a less potent setup of the former. Focus on +haste, +dw, +str, use sushi, to maximize the number of times per minute you apply your fSTR bonus.

    S/P, leverage the +5acc / +10att on your offhand to try to build for meat. Less focus on +dw, moderate focus on +haste, but heavy focus on +acc so that you can put up high 70s, low 80s in most camps without madrigal.

    S/F, not sure why you'd use this with perdu around.
    U/P= bomblet/core, turban, pcc, brutal/suppa, af(+1) body, dusk, rajas/flame?, foragers, swift/speed, haidate, fuma

    S/P= bomblet, ohat?, pcc, brutal/suppa, haub(+1), dusk/okote?, rajas/sniper(x2?), foragers, swift/speed (life?), haidate, fuma(pln?)

    Really not all that drastically different, and losing 10%+ haste just to eat meat is sketchy in my book. Not really doing a whole lot for your fSTR when the only addition is a flame ring, especially after losing 5/6 from body slot for the DW. Realistically, you're looking at switching bodypieces and possibly headgear for meat, and maybe belt. So dropping 10% haste 5% dw for a significantly lower hitrate and 70ish atk...
    Main thing you're switching is body slot, yes, but I'd be much more likely to use 2x Acc ring instead of Rajas/Sniper with S/P than U/P, would definitely use Bomb Core most places with U/P and always Bomblet with S/P, and would keep a macro around to throw on OHat/Life Belt for particularly evasive crap like Lurkers (Losing 9-11% Haste is a small tradeoff for hitting those damn things often enough to not get screwed out of a chain by Warm Up spam).

    Just the body swap though is a big help. 10 Acc gain from AF+1 > NQ Haub, as much as +15 Acc from NQ AF > Haub +1. If you're like me and see Temenos NIN AF items literally never, a 15 Acc gain is fully a 7.5% parsed Acc improvement, which can by itself be the magic that makes meat work. Throw on an extra +11-+13 from a 2nd Acc ring and Bomblet, and you're going to be in the high 70s to low 80s on parsed Acc most places if you're otherwise using good gear. In 2 BRD parties with a Madrigal, you'll be sitting pretty with near 90% Acc and absolutely crushing U/P+Sushi per-hit damage.

    Frankly, the numbers are going to be close either way. Just comes down to playstyle and typical party as to which is probably better. I'm a relic/2BRD whore so I love Senj mainhand and Subs/Pie, if I had to suffer through more pickup parties and 1 BRD parties, I'd probably be more interested in a speed build.

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    Re: Perdu Blade questions.

    Having more accuracy in most cases, over a few points of haste will result in higher overall damage. Same would go for attack, ie using meat, kotes vs dusk, sushi... Using Nin Chainmail, I can gurantee you, you won't out parse my NIN with Haub+1, or even Haub.
    Ninja Chainmail (+1) is for mobs that require you to use sushi or for mobs where you don't need to use sushi to approximate the cap on. These situations are no longer very common in merit parties, but any time this is the situation, Haubergeon +1 is not going to increase your TP-phase DoT by more than a few percent, whereas another dual wield bonus, given Suppanomimi and around 20% in haste gear, will decrease your delay and thus increase your DoT by about 7.8% (Assuming your puller is good enough to set up a constant stream). You definitely need the accuracy that Haubergeon gives you for many Mamools and for Greater Colibri using meat, but if you're stuck with imps or doing something like sky farming AF is the way to go. I think for non-THF/NIN Mamools, no matter which katanas you're using, it's far from as clear-cut a choice as has been made out.

    As for the LtD vs. everyone issue, suffice to say he's comparing U/P to S/P using a parse that doesn't even include U/P. The parser results are also hard to believe given how questionable some of that Redline guy's WS choices are.

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