WTF BLMs?

[BRP]

Why does every BLM love casting AM II in situations where (MP) endurance is important. May it be manaburns or events(no MBing btw). It seems pretty stupid if it's just for epeen. I might be missing something big here, but Thunder IV(or Blizzard IV) should always be better for MP/Damage.

Don't get me started on people who still use -aga spells.

[geno]

I usually get caught up when i see people with prism capes, +5 int rings, etc. and an nq (important element here) staff on their back, though that does bug me too lol.

[Alvinho]

Faster kills while soloing? MP endurance is important there to keep the chain going, but so is speed-killing. Works wonders on BLM weekend (iceday/lightningsday) w/ merits.

Or I dunno...

[BRP]

I use AM II while soloing, I don't mean that. I mean in situations where it would be stupid.

[OmegaKnight]

I think you hit the nail on the head at the start. They do it for the e-peen numbers.

[Alastaire]

Some people honestly don't realize they're being less efficient.

[Hapernack]

I usually only use them when its time for epeen numbers. That's about all. Other than that its tier IVs only.

[Seraphise]

there are situations where its appropriate, but fucking manaburns when 4 nukes kill the mob, it bugs me when they use burst?

[akarikamigishi]

I only use them because casting the same 1-2 IV spells over and over just got boring - to the point where I nearly quit blm despite having finished most merits (minus INT and now the new expanded merits). Now that I have all 6 AM2, I take blm to events without too much complaint and just use them randomly because otherwise the boredom just is too much to handle. I don't manaburn much anymore outside of random farming, so I can't comment on that.

[Kaylia]

I cant really think of a situation where mp/endurance is an issue on blm

1) Pingpong/manaburn: Usually want the hate to be set on me while I kite, and you can rest no problem when someone else has hate
2) long fight (wyrm): Mp isnt an issue since, hate usually is before mp, or you nuke only on skillchain
3) stuff like assault or xp: thunder 4 is more mp/efficient on weak mobs, but killing faster allow you to rest more. probably even out in the end.


Those 3 situation I described probably consist of 98% of the situation I'm in on blm, and in none of those, burst 2 is "bad" compared to thunder4. Maybe it's true for dynamis to some extent...dunno

[Pergo]

in most cases 2/6 blms in a pickup manaburn will use burst2 or freeze2....

what really bugs me is that the people who use these usually aren't even fully merited in their respective element, most of the blms i see get am2 before other merits, which is retarded, and those are the people who use it in situations where its not helpful.

[Suiram]

I cant really think of a situation where mp/endurance is an issue on blm

1) Pingpong/manaburn: Usually want the hate to be set on me while I kite, and you can rest no problem when someone else has hate
2) long fight (wyrm): Mp isnt an issue since, hate usually is before mp, or you nuke only on skillchain
3) stuff like assault or xp: thunder 4 is more mp/efficient on weak mobs, but killing faster allow you to rest more. probably even out in the end.


Those 3 situation I described probably consist of 98% of the situation I'm in on blm, and in none of those, burst 2 is "bad" compared to thunder4. Maybe it's true for dynamis to some extent...dunno

Limbus, since we usually have a lot of people show up in our group (15-20), we'll split off into 2-3 groups, typically with a group of 2-4 blms + a support doing the more blm-friendly zones. That's probably the best example of when not to use AM2, and the second thing that came to my mind when I saw this thread. The first was remembering a KS99 turtle run I did with the BLM merc LS on my server a couple months ago, where one person was yelling at everyone to use Tier 4/3/2/1 and not AM2 or ga3, and though he was well-intentioned and had the right idea for IV and III, it took some convincing to persuade him that AM2 was probably going to be more effective Damage/MP than Blizzard 2 or 1 lol

[Lordender]

i'll only use am2 in a manaburn when its either ice/thunder day but only @ the end of a chain if i have the mp and know we're resting after next mob.

[Popeh]

If it's a mob that's going to take a while to kill and is free nuke (more or less), casting a AMII and then moving onto IV allows better management of spell casting timers.

It's all situational. BLM's doing timed nukes to kill a mob on first cast, most BLM's will AM2 as it's generally much lower MP cost and more damage over a ga.

Dynamis AM2 pops out frequently due to recasting timers, Limbus being one where AM2 rarely gets used imo.

Conserve MP ftw!

In summary, if you need max damage why wouldn;t BLM's use AM2? If your worried about MP stick with Thunder II /sarcasm.

[Nerull]

AM2 is for ES max damage nukes and Manafont zerging onry. Using them at all in everyday circumstances is silly, when you should be using tier IV for better MP conservation.

Though I must say I find the people complaining about shitty pickup manaburns pretty ironic, lol. Wake-up call! You don't have to be in that party! LFG is for DRGs, and 6-man exp manaburns are for 2005.

[Kaylia]

I cant really think of a situation where mp/endurance is an issue on blm

1) Pingpong/manaburn: Usually want the hate to be set on me while I kite, and you can rest no problem when someone else has hate
2) long fight (wyrm): Mp isnt an issue since, hate usually is before mp, or you nuke only on skillchain
3) stuff like assault or xp: thunder 4 is more mp/efficient on weak mobs, but killing faster allow you to rest more. probably even out in the end.


Those 3 situation I described probably consist of 98% of the situation I'm in on blm, and in none of those, burst 2 is "bad" compared to thunder4. Maybe it's true for dynamis to some extent...dunno

Limbus, since we usually have a lot of people show up in our group (15-20), we'll split off into 2-3 groups, typically with a group of 2-4 blms + a support doing the more blm-friendly zones. That's probably the best example of when not to use AM2, and the second thing that came to my mind when I saw this thread. The first was remembering a KS99 turtle run I did with the BLM merc LS on my server a couple months ago, where one person was yelling at everyone to use Tier 4/3/2/1 and not AM2 or ga3, and though he was well-intentioned and had the right idea for IV and III, it took some convincing to persuade him that AM2 was probably going to be more effective Damage/MP than Blizzard 2 or 1 lol

What's wrong with Freeze 2 against turtle ks99? I usually do freeze2+ blizzard 4, since we dont have enough blm to bring it out of the shell in one single nuke. I would rather do more damage on that one MB when it's in the shell to take it out asap. Can easily kite it after when it's outside until your mp is fully rested.


Hard to say about limbus, since most area differ and some have mp refresh, but when I manaburn NW, burst 2 is usually the difference between a 3nukes or 4 nukes kill. Mp isnt really an issue, and killing slightly faster to rest 16 more sec is a fair trade, nothing worth panicking over.

[Shuemue]

I like Thunder III.

[Nikko]

The best way that I've found to get BLMs to stop wasting mp on AM2 is to just have everyone parse their own damage. Must fight fire with fire (or big number syndrome with big number syndrome), since they usually stop when they fall behind a good 10-15% in the parse.

[Lordshin]

lol i rarely use AM2
even in manaburns.... i think its more efficient if you use tier IV nukes... because most of the time the kills are overkill ><

and the people who do use it are basically doing it for the epeen

[Beckwin]

I duo limbus a lot, and AMII is pretty useful for us. We've figured out routines that kill mobs in minimal nuking rounds. It saves a little time and MP spent on sleep. You can also work in AMII in Manafont cycles, especially if you're on the right day. I can't really speak on xp situations, but I will say that AMII looks pretty inneficient for Wyrms.

Ex: Wyverns in NW apollyon. 4 tier IV nukes won't quite kill it, so you either sleep or spam drain after the second round. But if you do a round with AMIIs, you can kill it in two rounds easily, and if you have thudersday/iceday, only one person needs to AMII. This means you save the 20whatever mp from a sleep and whatever you'd use to finish it off, plus you're /heal or running to the hp/mp chest sooner.

Oh, and as an aside, when we've got room to maneuver, we're finding some success with staggering nukes to avoid the damage reduction. The period in which the following nuke gets nerfed seems slightly random, but seems to be a minimum of 3 and a maximum of 5-6 seconds.