Subtle Blow setup on Long-Bowed Chariot?

[divisortheory]

Clearly the solution to both attack and defense needs is Hydra Kofte.

.. Now if there was only someone crazy enough in my shell aside from me willing to do back-to-back Salvage runs so I could actually get use out of a 3 hour food.

haha, that's not a bad idea, now if only I could get everyone to buy their pass prior to salvage day...

lol that's what we've been doing since the beginning. Everyone buys their pass on Friday, and we go back to back on Saturday. I usually remind everyone friday via tells to pick up their permits.

[donnie]

If you tank it in a position that lets it use homing, then it'll be messy (or if you don't erase bind so quickly to reposition).

As far as defense, chariots are quite low level for bosses, so defense tanking is actually quite effective, especially given the utsu wiping nature of their common WS. Not that you can't utsu tank, you simply can use whatever style of tanking you want/your setup can do best, because there is no massive level correction making them hit hard regardless of ratio.

well u cant blink tank even if recast is up , cause 50% HP and below he will keep facing you , and any MNK that cast his blink first then move is dumb , cause moving to side >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> casting blink.

other then that , i have used my freind charecter as MNK and with kuryami (sp?) and dodge , i did evade about 30% which is good so i still dont recommend using tacos. storm fifle , refresh = endless MP to cure tanks just dont get missle.

[TB]

Donnie, gimme some of our Hydra Meat. I wanna test Hydra Kofte.

[alphacat]

Hmm, I have a few quick questions for the mnks who have tanked LBC. I've seen the number 420D thrown around a lot, I'm wondering how you can reach that high a D using snipers and DD gears. My mnks report 240D using DD gears, assuming protect gives another 60, that'd bring it to 300, which is still quite a bit lower than normal. Also, what's the best food to use for this fight? Taco or attack, assuming acc isn't an issue.

[Genosync]

clearly

none of you kill the fourth floor rampart

before trying to kill LBC

w/e

[tyraravenlocke]

I was gonna say.. isn't the right answer to simply kill the gears and then destroy LBC cause he's a gigantic pussy afterwards?

Or.. am I missing something here?

[divisortheory]

I never really understood why people keep asking about LBC either, lol. If the problme si that you always fail at pulling the gears, then instead of working on your LBC strategy, work on your gear strategy.

[Zilong]

LBC isn't that hard even without the damn thing weakened to begin with...

[Genosync]

Yeah, we threw 12 people at it today, and only one of our two MNKs had Magic. (I was the one that didn't, and proceeded to counter-own it.)

Easy win, three deaths because of a Homing Missile that went off.

[alim]

Using taco, parser had my acc at about 78% today, also solo tanked it for about 60%, quite easy. I've noticed about a 100dmg difference when using taco vs meat/sushi.

[alphacat]

So you would suggest taco vs. LBC? 100 dmg seems pretty significant.

[divisortheory]

If your healers can allow you to survive while eating meat, then there's no reason to eat tacos. On the other hand, if you can kill it with tacos and you don't mind spending an extra 5 minutes fighting it, there's no reason to use meat. That's why insteading of asking people to tell you their own personal preference and then just blindly doing it because it's what other people are doing, even though there's still other people who are doing completely different things, you should do whichever you prefer.

[alphacat]

Well, that's generally what a message board is about, no? You want other people's experience to help you so you don't make the same mistakes. If you don't want people to share their methods of doing things, and prefer to develop your own ways of going about, more powers to you. However, we're all here on BG to exchange ideas and see how others are doing things. Some people prefer to study things before doing so, me included.

[Zilong]

But LBC is really up to a personal preference as to how you want to kill the bastard.

If you want slow and steady, eat tacos and enjoy your shit damage on tanks, but having a tank that doesn't go down in miliseconds during 25% > 0 mode

If you want to kill fast, eat meat/sushi, enjoy the damage tanking for pretty high enmity gainrate and fast kill, but don't be surprised when a AoE > triple attack destroy your tank.

People solo tank LBC, duo tank him, or just kite him around too, some people use 2 MNK, some NIN + MNK, other PLD and other tank combo out there, it's really something you gotta experience to actually fine tune shit.

You want other people's experience, read the countless posts in the Bhaflau 1 and 2 thread and the first page of this topic.

Don't keep asking the same damn question, because it gets annoying after a while.

You want research, fine, but if you want us to give strategy that works for your group, it's not gonna happen.

Our last LBC kill had a fucking WHM/WAR and 8 people, there was no death, feel free to emulate that.

[alphacat]

I didn't ask for strat, I asked which food is better for tanks to eat. You answered it in your post, all the bs that followed it was not needed. This is a thread about LBC, and I asked about LBC. If you're perfectly satisfied with your own strat and do not intend on helping others, why bother coming in the thread? If you come in, expect to read about questions in regards to LBC, people asking questions? Don't come in.

[Zilong]

I didn't ask for strat, I asked which food is better for tanks to eat. You answered it in your post, all the bs that followed it was not needed. This is a thread about LBC, and I asked about LBC. If you're perfectly satisfied with your own strat and do not intend on helping others, why bother coming in the thread? If you come in, expect to read about questions in regards to LBC, people asking questions? Don't come in.

You'll get different fucking answer from different people.

People earlier in this thread said they use taco and it worked fine for them.

More other uses meat on MNK for higher damage output.

My group uses sushi just because we're ACC whores like that, and countertanking kinda requires you to not miss that counter.

What the fuck do you want me to say? Taco is stupid because it slows down kill, meat is retarded because you could miss the counters?

There are fucking strategies given in all the fucking threads regarding Bhaflau (you know, the 2 10+ pages topic about it?)

You keep asking about the same goddamn thing that has been rehashed over and over is just fucking annoying at this point.

[divisortheory]

Well, that's generally what a message board is about, no? You want other people's experience to help you so you don't make the same mistakes. If you don't want people to share their methods of doing things, and prefer to develop your own ways of going about, more powers to you. However, we're all here on BG to exchange ideas and see how others are doing things. Some people prefer to study things before doing so, me included.

The problem is that "What food is better to be used on LBC?" has been discussed and brought up more times than Ebon panels.

[Minions]

I didn't ask for strat, I asked which food is better for tanks to eat. You answered it in your post, all the bs that followed it was not needed. This is a thread about LBC, and I asked about LBC. If you're perfectly satisfied with your own strat and do not intend on helping others, why bother coming in the thread? If you come in, expect to read about questions in regards to LBC, people asking questions? Don't come in.

Test it yourself.... How good are your whms? Bring all 3 foods.... Your food choice can change depending on how equipped people are as well. I tried mnk tanking, we don't weaken LBC and it was a pain in the ass. So I tank it pld/nin now and we've gone 2/2 since. If your whms suck the fights gonna suck regardless of what food you eat. If you are bound in front of it, you will eat homing missile. Try each food each time you fight it and choose the food you prefer.

[Francisco II]

I'm half tempted to strap on full DEF gear, pop a taco and just blood tank it MNK/WAR... Not sure what the end result would be however... (I'm fucking horrible at blink tanking during situations like this, spells being spammed on me causes lag, ESPECIALLY bard songs)...

Also, I started this thread before the nerfing of Homing Missle was common knowledge...

What exactly causes the gears to Warp on pull (other than time)?

[Ayn]

To Alphacat..

I'm someone who's anal retentive about researching and making sure I have everything possible in my knowledge base before going out to do something.

..But cripes, there's just some point where you have to sit down and just do it. Some groups do straight tank all the way through. Some kite. For my group, I just found out it was better to let the BLMs and (if we had any) RNGs go balls out at 25% and below. If you want to take anything away from this thread, you can take away 'DDs with shadows can tank it successfully' outside of that, it's up to you how you want to do it.

As for the gears warping on pull, I thought it was just aggroing them by sight or something that made them do that?

I've also pondered the blood tanking thing too..but I have no idea how it'd work out. Would be interesting to see, no less.

..Remember though. There's always hydra kofte! Back to back Salvage runs go!