SL Perdu Weapons, 6/12 update findings

[Septimus]

It's kind of funny with some of the arguments against g.axe posted here. Not that I'm saying I don't also believe /NIN is still better.

You say g.axe WARs are an MP sponge (implied /DRG or /SAM, no WAR in their right mind should g.axe with /NIN), however at the same time, you say g.axe WAR are gimp as heck and can't take hate because g.axe damage = lulz.

Because, dual-wield or two-handed, a WAR who doesn't pull hate just sucks.

[Sanjiyan]

If the WAR doesn't pull hate regardless of the subjob and/or weapon, then there's something wrong with the WAR than just their preference in subjob and weapon.

Aside from puks, I can't remember any AoE TP move that shadows can help a lot with, not to mention one puk AoE goes through shadows anyway, and their AoE is weak shadows or not. Without fresh shadows, any multihit TP move from mamools will do some damage. Shadows are good for skoffins though. However, the endgame merit scene is ever evolving, and apparently who exps on anything by colibris these days? Shadows isn't that much more advantageous than a well placed seigan/third eye against those birds.
It's not like people still exp on weapons in sky. Of course, the /SAM will have to be good, unlike /NIN which is practically idiot proof.

[Healer]

Reason Steel Cyclone doesn't feel so loved in this thread is because of all the n00b gimped WARs that opened their mouths in it about how they use /THF, /SAM, or /loldrg (in Meripo), wielding GAXE (in Meripo). Only time it's ok to use /THF, /SAM, or /loldrg and a GAXE in a Meripo is if it's a private Meripo with friends who don't give a shit about how much their EXP/HR is being gimped.

/THF or /SAM are for HNM situations. /loldrg is n00b. /loldrg loses to both /THF and /SAM. /NIN is for Meripo and everything else.
GAXE is for certain HNM situations. AXE/AXE or AXE/SWD is for Meripo and everything else.
Get it right. Don't be n00b.

[Karinastar]

I merited as WAR/SAM a couple of times just to try it out. It didn't really parse badly, beating out a couple of decently equipped NINs by a bit, but the damage is most definitely a fair bit behind /NIN's. And even with Seigan+Third Eye it's a fairly bad MP sponge. I could have done more damage than I did probably, but it would have killed the EXP due to me sponging. Additionally like Xavier said /SAM does damn near nothing against AoEs and I believe single target spells also.

It's fun and all, but I'd never use it outside of a fuck-around PT with friends or in other very specific situations. Gaxe is cool and I'll prolly pick up a Perdu axe after I get the katana, but sadly it really doesn't have much of a place in a high-chaining merit party.

[Beckwin]

if you aren't rampaging, jinning, or fisting, get the hell out of my exp party.

I see you have DRK levelled, are you just terrible at it or something?

[Allundaria]

if you aren't rampaging, jinning, or fisting, get the hell out of my exp party.

I see you have DRK levelled, are you just terrible at it or something?

He has BRD leveled. I have BRD and WAR leveled; guess which job I always get asked to come as to meripo by the LS.

[Priran]

if you aren't rampaging, jinning, or fisting, get the hell out of my exp party.

I see you have DRK levelled, are you just terrible at it or something?

He has BRD leveled. I have BRD and WAR leveled; guess which job I always get asked to come as to meripo by the LS.

PEPPERMASTER? LOL IF U ADD TEH PUPET U WILL OUTDAMAGE RIDIL WARS

[Hakamaru]

How is weapon rank determined for weapons like these (perdu, maneater, blau, etc.)? Is it the base damage or the latent damage that determines the rank?

[Healer]

Gimped players in skill/gear get noted and avoided from then on. As WAR main, leaving WG w/o /NIN means being asked once to change to /NIN before being replaced. Wielding a GAXE means being asked once to switch to AXE/AXE or AXE/SWD before being replaced.

n00bs aren't worth my time.

[Priran]

How is weapon rank determined for weapons like these (perdu, maneater, blau, etc.)? Is it the base damage or the latent damage that determines the rank?

base

[Hakamaru]

How is weapon rank determined for weapons like these (perdu, maneater, blau, etc.)? Is it the base damage or the latent damage that determines the rank?

base

Thanks much! Although, now that I look up the numbers it doesn't even matter for Perdu Blade (27 and 32 are both rank 3). Same for Perdu Voulge.

[LinktheDeme]

http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s...tterthanSP.jpg
These are my parse results after about 170 mobs. Redline has U+U and I am using Senj+ Perdu. we parsed about the same exact total damage except he had higher ws total.

Higher WS total was my concern with senj + perdu to begin with because I thought that Senj + Perdus total ws dmg would outweight the delay loss. This parse proves that since U+U ws dmg came so close that Unji + Perdu wouldn't vary too much from U +U meaning higher total ws dmg faster tp results.

Also I personally consider my choice of WS gear trumping his which is why im concerned that his ws dmg is doing more total than mine.

Both 8/8 katana 5/5 str he's elf though and i'm hume

Anyways to sum it all up Unji+Perdu (Unji main hand) should be better than Senj + Perdu. (BUY UNJIS WHILE THEY DROP IN PRICE GOGOGO)

edit: Also i'm Carus not the war

[Caclax]

Steel Cyclone's fTP rises very slowly from 100 to 200, but Martial Bhuj SC at 100% is still significantly stronger than 100% SC using any other Great Axe including Bravura, base damage is nice but TP Bonus is nicer, when it comes to direct WS damage comparison on a fTP damage based WS, TP Bonus pretty much always wins, against any weapon.

Combine DoT and WS damage and this can change of course, but as far as WS vs WS, TP Bonus wins hands down.

i would beg to differ from what ive seen i do more with metatron with 100tp than i would with M.Bhuj 100tp i havent had bravura that long, only a month now but ive been able to use it in both exp and many big hnm and results seem to favor bravura alot

[Ehran]

Also I personally consider my choice of WS gear trumping his which is why im concerned that his ws dmg is doing more total than mine.

I would agree about your WS gear > His. Curious results from whoring out DEX.

Which camp was this, and what mobs were you fighting? Often, when results are this close there is something not showing up on the parse (one of you eating Feather Tickle more than the other?).

EDIT: nvm, question answered in the other thread.

[Nagamaki]

i would beg to differ from what ive seen i do more with metatron with 100tp than i would with M.Bhuj 100tp i havent had bravura that long, only a month now but ive been able to use it in both exp and many big hnm and results seem to favor bravura alot

Yeah 100% Metatron with Bravura certainly will do more than 100% Metatron with Martial Bhuj, considering Martial Bhuj isn't a relic and can't be used to perform the relic WS.

SC in my post means Steel Cyclone, not "any WS". 100% Steel Cyclone with Martial Bhuj will do more than 100% Steel Cyclone with Bravura, and the gap increases with every point of TP towards 200%. After 200% the gap closes up since your TP Bonusd fTP is already at its 300% value. Metatron has a fairly high static fTP, a relatively decent WSC and interesting special effects, so obviously it will do more damage than Steel Cyclone when TP is low and unless you need Steel Cyclone's SC element for a skillchain you should usually use Metatron for WS anytime you aren't close/at 300%.

[Alastaire]

Yeah 100% Metatron with Bravura certainly will do more than 100% Metatron with Martial Bhuj, considering Martial Bhuj isn't a relic and can't be used to perform the relic WS.

Time for a new sig.

[Caclax]

i never said i could use metatron with m bhuj, my point was that Bravura is better than m bhuj, how often do you use darness sc, in almost every case light/frag is used

[Akiyama]

http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s...tterthanSP.jpg
These are my parse results after about 170 mobs. Redline has U+U and I am using Senj+ Perdu. we parsed about the same exact total damage except he had higher ws total.

Higher WS total was my concern with senj + perdu to begin with because I thought that Senj + Perdus total ws dmg would outweight the delay loss. This parse proves that since U+U ws dmg came so close that Unji + Perdu wouldn't vary too much from U +U meaning higher total ws dmg faster tp results.

Also I personally consider my choice of WS gear trumping his which is why im concerned that his ws dmg is doing more total than mine.

Both 8/8 katana 5/5 str he's elf though and i'm hume

Anyways to sum it all up Unji+Perdu (Unji main hand) should be better than Senj + Perdu. (BUY UNJIS WHILE THEY DROP IN PRICE GOGOGO)

edit: Also i'm Carus not the war

Mind if I ask what camp that is?

[LinktheDeme]

http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s...tterthanSP.jpg
These are my parse results after about 170 mobs. Redline has U+U and I am using Senj+ Perdu. we parsed about the same exact total damage except he had higher ws total.

Higher WS total was my concern with senj + perdu to begin with because I thought that Senj + Perdus total ws dmg would outweight the delay loss. This parse proves that since U+U ws dmg came so close that Unji + Perdu wouldn't vary too much from U +U meaning higher total ws dmg faster tp results.

Also I personally consider my choice of WS gear trumping his which is why im concerned that his ws dmg is doing more total than mine.

Both 8/8 katana 5/5 str he's elf though and i'm hume

Anyways to sum it all up Unji+Perdu (Unji main hand) should be better than Senj + Perdu. (BUY UNJIS WHILE THEY DROP IN PRICE GOGOGO)

edit: Also i'm Carus not the war

Mind if I ask what camp that is?

Mamool Ja camp at nyzule isle

[Beckwin]

Where's the 800 jin average?