100 Scythe - Omnislash

[Jackle]

How do you expect every DRK to afford a K Club, GAWD.

haha like a relic is cheaper :O

[Mr.Raikku]

badass video...

[Therin]

How do you expect every DRK to afford a K Club, GAWD.

haha like a relic is cheaper :O

You definitely don't need an Apocalypse to do this. Bahamut's Zaghnal would be just as effective, if not more.

[trinironnie]

like all the vids bro pwned @.@

[Epical]

How do you expect every DRK to afford a K Club, GAWD.

haha like a relic is cheaper :O

You just whooshed pretty hard, but it's ok.

Wait, no it's not. Haha.

[BRP]

Wajaom's theme and normal sound effects aren't enough to make a video cool? ;/

Uh, anyway, it looks impressive. I guess it would have good potential in a zerg situation. Two questions: Does the haste bonus stack with itself? Would Bahamut's Zaghnal or Mercuial Dagger(or um Mercuial Sword) outclass this greatly enough that it would be gimp to use Apoc instead? If I had a relic, I think I would look for excuses to use it. (Well, I'm a BLM so uh... maybe not)

[aurik]

The point is, it's definitely cool, but it requires such a degree of support that you might as well be using a kraken for those 30 seconds.

[Senoska]

Wajaom's theme and normal sound effects aren't enough to make a video cool? ;/

Uh, anyway, it looks impressive. I guess it would have good potential in a zerg situation. Two questions: Does the haste bonus stack with itself? Would Bahamut's Zaghnal or Mercuial Dagger(or um Mercuial Sword) outclass this greatly enough that it would be gimp to use Apoc instead? If I had a relic, I think I would look for excuses to use it. (Well, I'm a BLM so uh... maybe not)

Considering DRK can't equip Mercurial Sword.. On the topic of the buffs, you don't NEED SV for this to be impressive, a little bit slower? Yes, but this is still really, really impressive. can you post a pic of your haste gear, by the way > >? This isn't practical (Kraken club Im sure will ALWAYS outclass this) but it is fun to watch and, im sure, do.

[JeanClaudVanDamme]

Eh, for the people who say Kraken outclasses this... How? From what we saw in that vid, it's basically attacking non stop(faster and more consistent than Kraken), with a DMG rating of 103, and the possibility of double/triple crit damage that stacks with Bloodweapon and Soul Eater, and you got MUCH MUCH higher damage output overall during SE/BW duration.

In the vid, regular swings were doing 250-300 damage, and I even saw a few 400-500 in there. I'd imagine the most Kraken and its 11 DMG rating would do is around 150-200, no? Might be wrong here.

[Therin]

Eh, for the people who say Kraken outclasses this... How? From what we saw in that vid, it's basically attacking non stop(faster and more consistent than Kraken), with a DMG rating of 103, and the possibility of double/triple crit damage that stacks with Bloodweapon and Soul Eater, and you got MUCH MUCH higher damage output overall during SE/BW duration.

In the vid, regular swings were doing 250-300 damage, and I even saw a few 400-500 in there. I'd imagine the most Kraken and its 11 DMG rating would do is around 150-200, no? Might be wrong here.

Kraken is basically a solid 10-12% of your HP, because it's only 11 DMG. For instance, if you run in with 2,000 HP exactly, your swings will almost always do between 240 and 245 damage (because the Kraken itself does between 0-5).

Same gear with Apoc and you're looking at another 100 or so more than that, crits for much higher obviously and triple procs doing like 700 damage. @_@ Pretty extreme. Not only that, but when you're all finished you'll have enough TP for a 300% Spiral Hell, instead of a 300% True Strike!

[JeanClaudVanDamme]

Kraken is basically a solid 10-12% of your HP, because it's only 11 DMG. For instance, if you run in with 2,000 HP exactly, your swings will almost always do between 240 and 245 damage (because the Kraken itself does between 0-5).

Same gear with Apoc and you're looking at another 100 or so more than that, crits for much higher obviously and triple procs doing like 700 damage. @_@ Pretty extreme. Not only that, but when you're all finished you'll have enough TP for a 300% Spiral Hell, instead of a 300% True Strike!

Exactly my point, lol. Apoc's damage output during SE/BW completely blows Kraken away. Inconsistent 200-300 vs practically non stop swinging at 300-700. No contest -- Apoc wins. And having a 300 TP Spiral Hell at the end is just icing. This is THE most amount of damage you can do in the game.

[Mashu]

Exactly my point, lol. Apoc's damage output during SE/BW completely blows Kraken away. Inconsistent 200-300 vs practically non stop swinging at 300-700. No contest -- Apoc wins. And having a 300 TP Spiral Hell at the end is just icing. This is THE most amount of damage you can do in the game.

Always, depends on the situation... would really like a parsing before making absolute statements like yours, jean.. but, obviously, pending accuracy is a non-factor, KC is going to outperform Apoc (possibly even Baha) scythe for zerging if the club either has a higher attack rate, which is definetely the case, and the defense of the mob is high enough so the added damage you'd get from scythe is not enough to offset the lower attack rate.

[JeanClaudVanDamme]

Huh? Attack rate? What do you mean? Did you not just see Xno's Apoc literally attack non stop? Attack rate is not a factor in comparing Kraken to Apoc.

However, what IS a factor is the ability to double/triple damage proc on crit during SE/BW (500-700 a swing is SICK), A+ weapon combined with 20 acc on Apoc itself and having 300% TP at the end for Spiral Hell sure beats 300% True Strike.

[Mashu]

Huh? Attack rate? What do you mean? Did you not just see Xno's Apoc literally attack non stop? Attack rate is not a factor in comparing Kraken to Apoc.

However, what IS a factor is the ability to double/triple damage proc on crit during SE/BW (500-700 a swing is SICK), A+ weapon combined with 20 acc on Apoc itself and having 300% TP at the end for Spiral Hell sure beats 300% True Strike.

Overlapped multiple swings with no/little delay > Single swings with no/little delay. In other words, get a MNK and a KC, and have him 2hr. There should be a huge discrepancy in his attack rate between KC and KCless.

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[Thistle]

The stupid sound effects really detract from it.

Sound effects were just horrible. Leave the 'heart beat' in there, get rid of the gun shots and all the rest.

[JeanClaudVanDamme]

Huh? Attack rate? What do you mean? Did you not just see Xno's Apoc literally attack non stop? Attack rate is not a factor in comparing Kraken to Apoc.

However, what IS a factor is the ability to double/triple damage proc on crit during SE/BW (500-700 a swing is SICK), A+ weapon combined with 20 acc on Apoc itself and having 300% TP at the end for Spiral Hell sure beats 300% True Strike.

Overlapped multiple swings with no/little delay > Single swings with no/little delay. In other words, get a MNK and a KC, and have him 2hr. There should be a huge discrepancy in his attack rate between KC and KCless.

edit: grammar

I don't know why you keep trying to downplay what was in the video. The Apoc animation was clearly overlapping each other, just like Kraken normally does. And a MNK with Kraken using 2h is fucking obviously different from a DRK using Kraken WITHOUT HUNDRED FISHSISHFLIDHSLIHFDLISAHFDALIHFILASDHFILSAHF.

Time to ask people who actually have both. Xno, iyo, which of the two swings faster, and by how much?

[JoOeetheplatypuS]

Except souleater can only be up 1/5 of the time with merits and with this scythe the other 4/5 of the time you can do actual damage. And if you don't think that's awesome DoT then you must be really really stupid.

[Bagel]

stuff

You are as intelligent as your namesake's movies.

[aurik]

For whatever speed you get apoc to, that speed -20% haste x average 4 swings per round is going to outclass it handily.

[Kirschy]

I know this has been said a lot... but you could make a similar video without using Catastrophe haste. It has the same effect. If people are skeptical, I'll make one myself. The Catastrophe haste is nice, don't get me wrong... And I'm glad Xno is able to give Apoc/DRK a lot of attention lately... but it's starting to get pretti silly when people are talking about a hasted up Scythe vs hasted up kraken for 2hr damage output.

One question I am confused about... why are people saying the Haste is 20%?