you cant has funds for stemcell research. funding, not yours

[finale23]

AP: Bush vetoes stem cell bill
Urges work on other stem cell lines
To blunt criticism, the White House said Bush is issuing an executive order directing the Health and Human Services Department to promote research into cells that – like human embryonic stem cells – also hold the potential of regenerating into different types of cells that might be used to battle disease.

"This is, certainly not an attempt to muzzle science," White House press secretary Tony Snow said. "It is an attempt, I think, to respect people's conscience on such an issue."

If the measure Bush vetoed would have become law, the White House said it would have compelled taxpayers for the first time in our history – to support the deliberate destruction of human embyros.

Snow said Bush's executive order will encourage scientists to work with the government to add research on new stem cell lines –that does not involve the creation, harming or destruction of human embryos – to the list of projects eligible for federal funding.

"The president does not believe it's appropriate to put an end to human life for research purposes," Snow said. "That's a line he will not cross."

whole article here

[Metah]

Don't worry guys, he'll be out soon.

In other news, his watch got stolen by an Albanian. Owned!

[Charla]

In other news, his watch got stolen by an Albanian. Owned!

Now that's what I call news!

[Shuemue]

I'm inclined to think it's a good decision, the creation of human life simply for experiments doesn't feel ethical to me.

[Intense]

I'm puzzled by the topic of this thread!!

[Ddz]

I'm inclined to think it's a good decision, the creation of human life simply for experiments doesn't feel ethical to me.

People already have kids for wrong reasons

[Metah]

I'm inclined to think it's a good decision, the creation of human life simply for experiments doesn't feel ethical to me.

Oh you people and your "ethics".

[finale23]

I'm inclined to think it's a good decision, the creation of human life simply for experiments doesn't feel ethical to me.

there is no human life involved here. those stem cells will be discarded anyway if they weren't used for scientific research.

[Fuuko]

I kinda agree with it, embryonic stem cells so far have shown little for themselves in trials and studies compared to the other various forms of stem cells. And none of those have the huge moral and ethical questions associated with them.

Not to mention adult stem cells can be turned into embryonic stem cells, http://www.nature.com/news/2007/070604/ ... 7618a.html .

[Maguspk]

I'm inclined to think it's a good decision, the creation of human life simply for experiments doesn't feel ethical to me.

there is no human life involved here. those stem cells will be discarded anyway if they weren't used for scientific research.

If the measure Bush vetoed would have become law, the White House said it would have compelled taxpayers for the first time in our history – to support the deliberate destruction of human embyros.

This is truth.

Of course there is the legitamate way of performing the research on already aborted stuff or however it's done, I don't know the details. The point is, they have a point, they would promote the farming of those cells, which then leads to the ethical line, which half the country isn't comfortable with. Saying 50% of the nation is stupid for not wanting to participate in the deliberate creation/desctruction of human cells is like walking on a tight rope above ignorance.

The article also suggested alternatives? If there's a way to obtain those cells without human embryos then I'm all for that, I don't see why anyone wouldn't be. Let's research that.

[MF Perm]

I'm inclined to think it's a good decision, the creation of human life simply for experiments doesn't feel ethical to me.

It's existing donor lines that are being preserved at this point. I'm pretty sure several times it's been brought up there is no intention to "farm" embryos for this purpose, but they want to try and emulate cloning while testing. The lines the funding is for already exist and will die out soon.

And then again, we're listening to this President say it's not ethical to use embryos for research but it's ok to use living human beings in an oil war. The guy has no credibility at this point, the only people that approve him in this country are the ones that think he actually spoke to Jesus or that he's the one that will bring about WW3 and the Armageddon thus "saving" humanity.

[Ddz]

I'm inclined to think it's a good decision, the creation of human life simply for experiments doesn't feel ethical to me.

It's existing donor lines that are being preserved at this point. I'm pretty sure several times it's been brought up there is no intention to "farm" embryos for this purpose, but they want to try and emulate cloning while testing. The lines the funding is for already exist and will die out soon.

And then again, we're listening to this President say it's not ethical to use embryos for research but it's ok to use living human beings in an oil war. The guy has no credibility at this point, the only people that approve him in this country are the ones that think he actually spoke to Jesus or that he's the one that will bring about WW3 and the Armageddon thus "saving" humanity.

Yeah but at least there is a choice involved when you are involved in a war. An embryo can't speak for itself.

[Shuemue]

I have little to no respect for the current US president, just think this field is a very delicate matter and that he's right to tread carefully.

[Intense]

I'm puzzled by the TITLE of this thread!!

Fixed. HALP!

[Rhodoc]

Wait... but didn't someone just find a way to get Stem Cells from mice?

I thought the whole No human embryos = happy religious nuts thing was solved....

Edit:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stem_cells ... l_research
Says

# 06 June 2007 - Research reported this week by three different groups shows that normal skin cells can be reprogrammed to an embryonic state in mice. The race is now on to apply the surprisingly straightforward procedure to human cells.

[Xavier]

People do realize that the choice being made still results in the embryos being discarded and destroyed right?

Where are your ethics for the alternative? O LORD NO WE CAN'T EXPERIMENT ON UNUSED EMBRYOS, THAT WOULD BE CRUEL, DUMP THEM DOWN THE DRAIN FAST. And I'll always love when something not even resembling life gets more thought than those already living, dying from diseases everyday. I'd rather heal the sick than worry about timmy the embryo whos existance will end in the garbage anyway.

[archibaldcrane]

People do realize that the choice being made still results in the embryos being discarded and destroyed right?

Where are your ethics for the alternative? O LORD NO WE CAN'T EXPERIMENT ON UNUSED EMBRYOS, THAT WOULD BE CRUEL, DUMP THEM DOWN THE DRAIN FAST. And I'll always love when something not even resembling life gets more thought than those already living, dying from diseases everyday. I'd rather heal the sick than worry about timmy the embryo whos existance will end in the garbage anyway.

And that, my friends, is that. (aka qft)

[Devek]

Well.. I think their argument is more like the 'don't check the organ donation box cause the doctors may be more interested in letter you die than saving you' fallacy etc..

I'm not an expert in how this all works so I for the most part stay out of this debate, though an advertisement on TV that went along the lines of "Unwanted pregnancy? Donate your fetus for cash now!" is troubling, though highly unrealistic

[finale23]

I'm not an expert in this

well, you should. cause if there's any hope your avatar could fly again, it would be for stemcell research.



/yes, i know he passed away

[Ksandra]

Well.. I think their argument is more like the 'don't check the organ donation box cause the doctors may be more interested in letter you die than saving you' fallacy etc..

I'm not an expert in how this all works so I for the most part stay out of this debate, though an advertisement on TV that went along the lines of "Unwanted pregnancy? Donate your fetus for cash now!" is troubling, though highly unrealistic

I think Devek is on the right way of thinking.

It's not the embyros that would get "garbaged anyways" that worries me.

It's the possibilities of leading to farming embyros, and chicks getting prego left and right and just donating their embyro later on (which could spread lots of diseases because of it.

Plus the idea of cloning scares me. I've probably read too many sci-fi books for it, but it just feels like too many things could go wrong with it way in the future.