Salvage Cell Distributions

[Wizerd]

It isnt possible for all salvage groups but it is required in mine to d/l Ventrillo and use our ls server even if just to listen if you dont have/dont want to use a mic :D

I honestly think this saves a good 10 minutes a run not to mention alot less headache.

I don't see how Vent would speed up cell distribution at all. I actively do a lot more than announce who lots what cells in my runs, but when cells drop I almost always plop out who lots within 5 seconds of drop. If I don't plop it out right away, it's a cell that doesn't make a difference to kill speed. In the case of Silver Seas where you never know what cells you're about to get, it might take me 10 seconds to say who lots what, but vent would take the same because most of that is brain process time, not typing time. In Zhayolm/Arrapago, I have a list of who gets what cell next in my head, and when we fight the mobs I announce who lots if certain cells drop, while idley meleeing between pulls. Bhaflau I tell everyone to use common sense for equipment/stats lotting.

I like typing though, I don't like talking since I'm usually singing along to music during salvage lol.

[Aemora]

I'm usually singing along to music during salvage lol.

It does pwn, fren. That is does.

Doom, doo-doo-doo-dumph! Doom, doo-doo-doo-dumph!

Simply pwn. Einherjar music sucks.

[Wizerd]

I'm usually singing along to music during salvage lol.

It does pwn, fren. That is does.

Doom, doo-doo-doo-dumph! Doom, doo-doo-doo-dumph!

Simply pwn. Einherjar music sucks.

I meant like, MP3s and such. <_< I don't have the game sound on most of the time.

[Not Kuno]

I'm usually singing along to music during salvage lol.

It does pwn, fren. That is does.

Doom, doo-doo-doo-dumph! Doom, doo-doo-doo-dumph!

Simply pwn. Einherjar music sucks.

Hell yeah I love the salvage music. I always sing along during the good parts.

[Alleya]

For our runs that aren't bhaf I get basically everything non-magic related first. (*'-') Thfs get weapons for thief knife, I'm right after them. What you end up with is a geared mnk who can do all the tanking. A second mnk gets first lot after me, then it goes on to other people. It works a lot better now than when it did when we tried to split the difference between myself on mnk for damage and a ninja for tanking. The cells got spread too thin and neither of us ended up being very effective. Nowadays I bring 3 different tanking sets and my normal meriting gear and I can handle all tanking concearns.

As for the issue of mnks getting weapons: with our setup the main mnk can be using Hades Sainti. It's got all the fixins; damage of destroyers, a load of enmity, subtle blow for the fucking triple gears, evasion. All around awesome piece. Salvage has gotten a lot more manageable since I started using them.

[Odog]

I agree that someone (possibly blm) on the first comple floors of salvage could sit with treasure pool open and do nothing but call cells as fast as you could just say them on vent.

It really just comes down to what your group setup is like and who is doing what. If the person you have calling cell drops also happens to be the puller or mnk tank or main healer it is certainly easier if nothing else to jeus be able to say it while you focus your keyboard efforts on what needs to be done.

I admit I am not a fast typer and I'm sure there are folks out there that can manage a group off vent just fine but for me it is a lifesaver :D

[Wizerd]

I agree that someone (possibly blm) on the first comple floors of salvage could sit with treasure pool open and do nothing but call cells as fast as you could just say them on vent.

It really just comes down to what your group setup is like and who is doing what. If the person you have calling cell drops also happens to be the puller or mnk tank or main healer it is certainly easier if nothing else to jeus be able to say it while you focus your keyboard efforts on what needs to be done.

I admit I am not a fast typer and I'm sure there are folks out there that can manage a group off vent just fine but for me it is a lifesaver :D

It's funny, you referred to the three different things I've done while leading Salvage and calling cells: Puller, MNK tank, and main healer. lol. It works out just fine, no performance hinderance.

[Garion]

Man do different groups have different ways to split cells lol

We go Sub ability weapons to our Nin tank, and second magic to him. Second weapons to our Ridill thf, Ridill realy helps on lower floors.

Another group i know gives both weapons to jobs like Sam and War, which i know Sam needs and all, but i always think the tank needs to be filled out before DD. Should have Mnks or other jobs with Hand-To-Hand leveled there anyway and they do fine on first floor mobs.

so our cell order goes:

• Magic[list:334bf]
• Rdm[/*:m:334bf]
• Nin[/*:m:334bf]
• Blm[/*:m:334bf]
• Brd[/*:m:334bf]

[/*:m:334bf][*]SubJob

• Nin[/*:m:334bf]
• Rdm[/*:m:334bf]
• Blm[/*:m:334bf]
• Brd[/*:m:334bf]
• Mnks[/*:m:334bf]

[/*:m:334bf][*]Abilities

• Nin[/*:m:334bf]
• Thf[/*:m:334bf]
• Mnks[/*:m:334bf]
• Rdm[/*:m:334bf]
• Blm[/*:m:334bf]
• Brd[/*:m:334bf]

[/*:m:334bf][*]Weapons

• Nin[/*:m:334bf]
• Thf[/*:m:334bf]
• Mnks[/*:m:334bf]
• Blm or Rdm[/*:m:334bf]
• Brd[/*:m:334bf]

[/*:m:334bf][*]Gear

• Body = Rdm(Refresh/enfeeb) - Blm(Enfeeb/refresh/dmg) - Brd(Refresh) - Nin - Mnks - Thf[/*:m:334bf]
• Head = Rdm(AF2) - Nin(Haste) - Blm(AF2) - Brd - Mnks - Thf[/*:m:334bf]
• Rings = Blm(Novio/moldy -enmity) - Rdm(MP -enmity) - Brd(MP) - Nin - Mnks - Thf[/*:m:334bf]
• Range = Brd - Rdm(MP) - Blm - Thf(Dosn't pull) - Nin - Mnks[/*:m:334bf]
• Hands = Blm(Dmg) - Rdm(MP) - Nin - Brd - Mnks - Thf(No AF2)[/*:m:334bf]
• Back/waist = Mnks(BB) - Nin - Rdm/Blm - Brd - Thf[/*:m:334bf]
• Legs/feet = Nin(Haidate/Nin boots) - Blm(Gaiters) - Mnks - Rdm - Brd - Thf[/*:m:334bf]

[/*:m:334bf][/list:u:334bf]

Now thats a farming run setup, would put mnks first on a lot if going for the boss, and the nin would be on Whm, so cells would change a little, but thats our basic cell distribution. Also the zone DOES change a few things, and we have toyed with giving the blm sub at start to help with cures and -na spells instead of the nin in Arrapago. Stealing a sub from QQA(or trying). But this is the general layout of what we do.

[Wizerd]

Man do different groups have different ways to split cells lol

We go Sub ability weapons to our Nin tank, and second magic to him. Second weapons to our Ridill thf, Ridill realy helps on lower floors.

Another group i know gives both weapons to jobs like Sam and War, which i know Sam needs and all, but i always think the tank needs to be filled out before DD. Should have Mnks or other jobs with Hand-To-Hand leveled there anyway and they do fine on first floor mobs.

What I don't get is why people bring tanks on farming runs, especially in Bhaflau or Arrapago. I tried it once and the Monks were the ones holding hate regardless of how decked out the tank was. Mind boggling really.

It's like inviting a PLD/WAR to a colibri merit pt to tank. Pssh.

[divisortheory]

What I don't get is why people bring tanks on farming runs, especially in Bhaflau or Arrapago. I tried it once and the Monks were the ones holding hate regardless of how decked out the tank was. Mind boggling really.

It's like inviting a PLD/WAR to a colibri merit pt to tank. Pssh.

Well if tank = MNK, then i can see why :D Anyway, in Arrapago we always try to farm and fight the boss, so even if you don't use the MNK tanks for some reason (even though it's far more efficient cell-wise to have your early DDs also be your tanks), it's still useful if you're doing anything other than just farming.

[Ryushii]

To the poster:

In most places your cell caller should be able to call cells faster than they drop. If he/she cannot, find a better one. One of the few places that won't be able to happen is 1F Bhaflau with the wamouracampa, like you mentioned. For my group, I make sure the tanks (NIN MNK PLD, whatever you have) know that they need to lot what they need while all the equipment is dropping. The order will usually go NIN>MNK>any other tanks. It doesn't honestly matter what the tank order is because they will all be fully equipped by the end of the floor anyway. Everyone else is told not to lot any of the dropping equipment. Melees are told to use any cells that autosort to them. Mages are told not to. Then, while we kill 2F flans, everyone puts extra cells in their bazaar for 1 gil. Melees buy what they can to get fully equipped. Mages keep the leftovers. You can, of course, say certain things like making sure a whm gets a body for a Noble's, or making sure a THF gets his hands for TH4. Just make sure people know they need to lot these things before you start killing stuff.

[divisortheory]

In Bhaflau, everything should be freelotted.

[Ryushii]

In Bhaflau, everything should be freelotted.

That's a horrible idea if you don't have a steady group who knows what theyre doing, like the poster. Or me.

[Wizerd]

In Bhaflau, everything should be freelotted.

That's a horrible idea if you don't have a steady group who knows what theyre doing, like the poster. Or me.

It's actually that a horrible idea even for a complete pickup group. With (xx) people, needing Ranged, Head, Rings, Body, Hands, Back, Legs (7 cells), and considering the average Wamouracampa drop is probably about 7 cells, you need to kill (xx) Wamouracampa with ideal drops to fully gear everyone. Obviously that's not going to happen on any run, but with 14(?) Wamouracampa to kill on the first floor, everyone should be fully geared short of certain cells that don't drop much (our LBC run, we only had 2 ranged drop the entire run, one went to BRD and the other went to me on MNK to pull the 10 gears with my Trollbane lol).

We had 11 in our group so I had the Ridill WAR lot the first of every equipment cell short of ranged, with me second on MNK, and everyone else after that. The only exceptions were the first magic RDM got the first hat and body, and the other RDM got the fourth hat and body. By the end of the first floor, only a couple less important people were missing head cells (the DRK and THF I think), and a couple were missing legs. Both BLMs, both RDMs, both tanks, and one or both of the WHMs were completely geared to full.

I just outlined the first floor cells before entry and it worked out very nicely. Granted, none of them were new to Salvage.

[Garion]

Eh, i don't think free lotting in Bhaflau is a good idea, since cells are random you still want certain things to go to certain jobs first. Link monks should ALWYAS no questions asked get waist first for Black Belt. Free lotting leaves the possibility open for someone to miss out on a cell that they should of had first. I HAVE see that kind of thing happen before, and frankly it sucks.

[Julian]

For Bhaflau my group always did a mnks first > free lot on all the equip, minus obvious stuff like letting rdms with af2 get hat first. Having non-retarded people with common sense makes "free lotting" them a lot easier than wasting time calling everything.

If someone gets a cell they already have, just put it in bazaar and have someone who needs it get it <.<

[Kaylia]

In Bhaflau, everything should be freelotted.

That's a horrible idea if you don't have a steady group who knows what theyre doing, like the poster. Or me.

If X and Y people dont lot within 10sec, it's freelot. It works well in every area for gear as long your tank pay attention. But like divisisor said, it doesnt really matter in bhaflay no matter what you do, because everyone will get 80% of their gears

[Ryushii]

In Bhaflau, everything should be freelotted.

That's a horrible idea if you don't have a steady group who knows what theyre doing, like the poster. Or me.

If X and Y people dont lot within 10sec, it's freelot. It works well in every area for gear as long your tank pay attention. But like divisisor said, it doesnt really matter in bhaflay no matter what you do, because everyone will get 80% of their gears

Yeah, but I honestly don't really trust people to be able to gauge, in an instant, whether or not they need something more than others. What I most likely would get is RDMs lotting far too many things, or things like THFs and CORs trying to get fully equipped. And then in the end, chances are, everytime someone will go missing something important.

[Julian]

In Bhaflau, everything should be freelotted.

That's a horrible idea if you don't have a steady group who knows what theyre doing, like the poster. Or me.

If X and Y people dont lot within 10sec, it's freelot. It works well in every area for gear as long your tank pay attention. But like divisisor said, it doesnt really matter in bhaflay no matter what you do, because everyone will get 80% of their gears

Yeah, but I honestly don't really trust people to be able to gauge, in an instant, whether or not they need something more than others. What I most likely would get is RDMs lotting far too many things, or things like THFs and CORs trying to get fully equipped. And then in the end, chances are, everytime someone will go missing something important.

So assign these "important pieces" to people that need them, let everyone know what these are, and freelot everything else?

[Wizerd]

In Bhaflau, everything should be freelotted.

That's a horrible idea if you don't have a steady group who knows what theyre doing, like the poster. Or me.

If X and Y people dont lot within 10sec, it's freelot. It works well in every area for gear as long your tank pay attention. But like divisisor said, it doesnt really matter in bhaflay no matter what you do, because everyone will get 80% of their gears

Yeah, but I honestly don't really trust people to be able to gauge, in an instant, whether or not they need something more than others. What I most likely would get is RDMs lotting far too many things, or things like THFs and CORs trying to get fully equipped. And then in the end, chances are, everytime someone will go missing something important.

So assign these "important pieces" to people that need them, let everyone know what these are, and freelot everything else?

That's what we do! XD And I tell them before we even enter, and they remember too. I generally remind people as they drop but it's not needed.