WS - Warrior and some random questions

[Onel]

A 5 hit Rampage with dual axes is 16 TP. One Double attack is 17, two is 18.

[Rasantath]

A 5 hit Rampage with dual axes is 16 TP. One Double attack is 17, two is 18.

that would depend on the delay of your axes, no? he never mentioned which axes he is using.
if you are using 2 axes with 300+ delay you might get more back. but then again, who really uses those to merit...
most are wood/man or man/jugg

[spd]

i use wood/man

i also ws in rajas an brutal, my normal rampage is 17 tp, 1 double is 18, 2 is 19.

[RKenshin]

I have some questions for WAR. I want to try to max my damage with my current settings and hopefully future gears I might obtain.

I am thinking I need more accuracy to get all 5 hits with rampage. The reason why I think I need accuracy is because lets say a parameter of 1000 being the max I can do, and 700 is the average damage on rampage.

Currently, these are my stats and gear for WS. I use sole sushi for merit pts.

Using sushi and without a BRD you won't get a much higher average, even with the best gear. Typically the only way you're hitting a 1k WS average on WAR is with some top notch gear, meat, and at least Madrigal+Minuet. It's doable with sushi but then the stress on having top notch gear/merits is even higher, and even with two BRDs it's not common. But both statements tend to be true bar some flukes in short PTs.

I'd recommend changing some gear around in favor of eating meat, especially with a fully merited 2x Axe setup. I went almost full acc and had some fun in 2x Axe PTs, breaking a 1k WS average each time with a BRD. On all my jobs I try to shoot for a total of 70 to 85 acc for TP and WS (this # tends to put you at ~80-95% acc for every camp) over anything else, so it's a good number to keep in mind when deciding gear IMO. On WAR specifically I actually had a separate WS macro for when Aggressor was down that made up for the loss of 25 acc as well.

[Wintermute]

On all my jobs I try to shoot for a total of 70 to 85 acc for TP and WS (this # tends to put you at ~80-95% acc for every camp)

I knew you were insane at maximising gear setups but what kind of Acc gear are you stacking to get that much? I'd love to get my THF over +50 Acc since I usually end up Mid-70s in a parse and more is always better.



EDIT:

To the OP, since you have all the Axe Merits you should probably go ahead and switch to Meats as others have said. Try it out for a few hours and see how your Acc/Dmg does, can buy Sis Kebabi cheap from the NPC. Maybe even swap out the AF2 Legs for the Pahluwan (sp?) legs since they've got both +acc and +Str if you start to miss WS hits?

[Osede]

EDIT:

To the OP, since you have all the Axe Merits you should probably go ahead and switch to Meats as others have said. Try it out for a few hours and see how your Acc/Dmg does, can buy Sis Kebabi cheap from the NPC. Maybe even swap out the AF2 Legs for the Pahluwan (sp?) legs since they've got both +acc and +Str if you start to miss WS hits?

too bad war cant use pahluwan leg

the problem on meat is that mamool ja lurkerer has too high evade which will lower your accuracy alots even thought with sushi.

for troll camp, unless you can avoide pulling mnk and pup, then eat meat will not have much problem.

But this is the situation for only one brd pt. Haven't been merit since i done war merit, so not sure about double brds' pt. But for mire camp, meat all the way. Even with my haste setup with flamex2 ring on still have no any acc problem.

[Wintermute]

too bad war cant use pahluwan leg

Damn. Really? I need to pay more attention, not too up to speed on available +Acc gear for WAR ><


I have to say though, TP wise on Mamool I never had much of a problem with Acc with +50 and 8/8 Dagger Merits. Only time I had a problem was with the Lurkers and Maybe Nin when they use their Warm-Up, they tend to drop me into ~70% Acc, lowest ~65% on a parse though you can always Dispel/Aura Steal. Can also ask the RDM to Gravity those two types of mobs and get the Bard to use Acc songs to help kill them faster.

WS can be a bit dodgy Acc wise on those mobs but with Gravity/Acc Songs/Mix of +STR and Acc you should be able to overcome it.

[RKenshin]

On all my jobs I try to shoot for a total of 70 to 85 acc for TP and WS (this # tends to put you at ~80-95% acc for every camp)

I knew you were insane at maximising gear setups but what kind of Acc gear are you stacking to get that much? I'd love to get my THF over +50 Acc since I usually end up Mid-70s in a parse and more is always better.

It's actually a lot easier than it sounds.

Typically I just assume sushi is +50ish acc, as proved by an old BG thread. Then, with capped Axe merits you have a good 8 acc on top of that (I use 276 base skill as the starting point to have the +acc). So hitting an area close to acc cap would only require you to wear ~+25 acc in gear on top of your merits and sushi. Albeit this won't normally put you right at the acc cap depending on the mob, but usually within about 10-15%. But, normally people TP in around 40 acc minimum regardless of the food choice if they're using good gear, so they'll hit the acc cap anyway.

Without sushi it's still not difficult but just requires better gear. Keeping in mind Aggressor is up 70% of the time and is +25 acc or so, getting around 70 acc on WAR is enough to get within 10% and often hit the cap (with capped axe merits using 2x Axe). Maneater/bomblet/peacock/adaman hauberk/sniper+1/mars/byakko's is already 63.5. Then there are plenty of other pieces you could wear to help you get closer.

Then, using meat on say... MNK. I have capped merits for around 14 acc, along with about 50.5 acc from gear (tiphea/optical/faith/shura/sniper+1/mars/byakko's) putting me at 64.5. With Focus up about 2/5ths of the time for +25 acc, it helps make up for the fact I'm slightly below the amount of acc I shoot for (just like for WAR). MNK tends to be my least accurate job actually, but still will usually stay within about 10-15% of the acc cap.

On SAM though it's easy since I cheat with relic's +20 acc. I have like +80 or so acc wearing full haste gear and keeping a 6 hit setup. :D

Etc!

Obvious exceptions are flashga/lurkers and such that just throw things off completely with them having evasion out their ass. And, while I list mostly top end gear in my examples, it doesn't mean that it only works with having the top end gear. It's just that in order to make up for not having certain pieces, you'll have to sacrifice more slots for acc. How viable it is for you with the gear you have available depends on what you have to sacrifice though.


EDIT: Just as a reference, actually hitting the acc cap with consistancy at all camps tends to be around +90-110 acc. But IMO it's not worth the sacrifice of haste/other stats to try to get it using meat for most exp situations.

[Gafgarionn]

On all my jobs I try to shoot for a total of 70 to 85 acc for TP and WS (this # tends to put you at ~80-95% acc for every camp)

I knew you were insane at maximising gear setups but what kind of Acc gear are you stacking to get that much? I'd love to get my THF over +50 Acc since I usually end up Mid-70s in a parse and more is always better.

It's actually a lot easier than it sounds.

Typically I just assume sushi is +50ish acc, as proved by an old BG thread. Then, with capped Axe merits you have a good 8 acc on top of that (I use 276 base skill as the starting point to have the +acc). So hitting an area close to acc cap would only require you to wear ~+25 acc in gear on top of your merits and sushi. Albeit this won't normally put you right at the acc cap depending on the mob, but usually within about 10-15%. But, normally people TP in around 40 acc minimum regardless of the food choice if they're using good gear, so they'll hit the acc cap anyway.

Without sushi it's still not difficult but just requires better gear. Keeping in mind Aggressor is up 70% of the time and is +25 acc or so, getting around 70 acc on WAR is enough to get within 10% and often hit the cap (with capped axe merits using 2x Axe). Maneater/bomblet/peacock/adaman hauberk/sniper+1/mars/byakko's is already 63.5. Then there are plenty of other pieces you could wear to help you get closer.

Then, using meat on say... MNK. I have capped merits for around 14 acc, along with about 50.5 acc from gear (tiphea/optical/faith/shura/sniper+1/mars/byakko's) putting me at 64.5. With Focus up about 2/5ths of the time for +25 acc, it helps make up for the fact I'm slightly below the amount of acc I shoot for (just like for WAR). MNK tends to be my least accurate job actually, but still will usually stay within about 10-15% of the acc cap.

On SAM though it's easy since I cheat with relic's +20 acc. I have like +80 or so acc wearing full haste gear and keeping a 6 hit setup. :D

Etc!

Obvious exceptions are flashga/lurkers and such that just throw things off completely with them having evasion out their ass. And, while I list mostly top end gear in my examples, it doesn't mean that it only works with having the top end gear. It's just that in order to make up for not having certain pieces, you'll have to sacrifice more slots for acc. How viable it is for you with the gear you have available depends on what you have to sacrifice though.


EDIT: Just as a reference, actually hitting the acc cap with consistancy at all camps tends to be around +90-110 acc. But IMO it's not worth the sacrifice of haste/other stats to try to get it using meat for most exp situations.

My situation is somewhat similar to the OPs. Counting strictly +ACC from my gear (this doesn't include any acc from dex, sword skill from suppa, merits, etc.) I TP in +39 ACC using Maneater/Joyeuse most of the time (+37 ACC on WS). I also have capped Axe merits and 4/8 Sword, AND use sushi but still find myself missing more than I'd like to. I don't have any parsers to prove numbers, but I'm sure there's some subtle tweaking I could do to my equipment setup to achieve higher weapon skill numbers and faster TP gain. Any suggestions?

TP: http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/8605/tpgetyr5.png

[Vedder]

Any suggestions?

TP: http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/8605/tpgetyr5.png

Put Suppa on the other ear. Then put a Brutal where the Suppa was.

[Gafgarionn]

Any suggestions?

TP: http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/8605/tpgetyr5.png

Put Suppa on the other ear. Then put a Brutal where the Suppa was.

I'm sorry you must be mistaken... Suppa always goes on the left.

[Thevaultdweller]

Suppa on left ear = ACC - 50

[Deftscythe]

Since I don't think this deserves it's own topic, I'll ask it here.

Which merit combo do more of you use, capped zerk/aggressor or zerk/aggressor + DA? I have 2 upgrades each to zerk/agg at the moment and I'm having trouble deciding which way to go.

[Vejitta]

With Ridill you can go Berggressor 5/5 although clasical 3/3/4 (Ber/Agg/DA) combo works too. W/o Ridill I would go 3/3/4.

[Rasantath]

With Ridill you can go Berggressor 5/5 although clasical 3/3/4 (Ber/Agg/DA) combo works too. W/o Ridill I would go 3/3/4.

i must agree.
i had a hard time deciding, but when i finally did decide i went 3/3/4, as i use man/jug. i have no hope for ever getting a ridill. my ls doesnt do kings :(

i also have one into tomahawk and 1 into warriors charge with intentions to max it out one day.
but i'm not sure where to put the other 2 points in level 2 merits for war.

[Niiro]

i also have one into tomahawk and 1 into warriors charge with intentions to max it out one day.
but i'm not sure where to put the other 2 points in level 2 merits for war.

I'd tell you to max Aggressive Aim for when you throw your bomb core but alas, SE has ruined that joke forever.

[Vejitta]

2nd section of WAR specific merits are trash imo.

Warrior's Charge is nice with WS, but only one per 10 min for one per 10 min dmg spike. Still it's better than nothing I suppose.

Savagery is simply trash, 30tp more while using WS isn't anything amazing and it's mostly usefull for Steel Cyclone, when you need this 30tp to hit x00tp mark. Of course I can't imagine using it on f.e. Fafnir where I have troubles to keep his teeth out of my face w/o some warcrying -_- Very, very occasional job trait and most of the time useless.

Aggresive Aim - I can't understand how this can be usefull. For solo maybe, I hardly ever solo, since I have my personal RDM, and solo EP-EM mobs is waste of time imo. And even so, who will gimp his eva (I know WAR has no eva, but still), to get little more racc on ranged on solo? oO Unless you want to kill mobs in 'sleep bolt' style (which is retarded from WAR point of view). For HNMs obviously if you want to play some range attack go level RNG, 20 more racc with 210 range weapons skill gives you nothing. Even Savagery is better.

Tomahawk - I could only cry it doesn't work like Angon. This is also occasional, but less occasional than 2 mentioned above. If you participating limbus/einharjar/salvage - it will be speed up killing process much better than both Agressive Aim and Savagery.

Atm, aside lvl 3 WC, I have lvl 1 Savagery and lvl 1 Tomahawk. Since both of them are joke I just focus on meriting my other job atm. I guess I could make lvl3 Tomahawk in future, when cap my SMN.

[Septimus]

Tomahawk - I could only cry it doesn't work like Angon. This is also occasional, but less occasional than 2 mentioned above. If you participating limbus/einharjar/salvage - it will be speed up killing process much better than both Agressive Aim and Savagery.

Atm, aside lvl 3 WC, I have lvl 1 Savagery and lvl 1 Tomahawk. Since both of them are joke I just focus on meriting my other job atm. I guess I could make lvl3 Tomahawk in future, when cap my SMN.

Once I cap out some more of my merits I definitely want to get Tomahawk for that reason. Although it isn't useful all the time, there are situations (like elementals) where it would be really handy to have it for Limbus/Eyesinajar/etc. It's not as awesome as Warrior's Charge for situations where you two hour and can get really awesome damage, but it is much more useful than the other two.

[Osede]

tomahawk not only good for elemental, but also on those ghost, bones, roc type monster. However just when you use it on elemental mobs, the damage is improved significantly. I got both tomahawk and savagery full merited, but savagery is meh... doesn't seem doing any better. And I only use nin for limbus, and war only use for dynamis. The last time I used tomahawk was like 6 months ago...

[Mahonri]

I have some questions for WAR. I want to try to max my damage with my current settings and hopefully future gears I might obtain.

I am thinking I need more accuracy to get all 5 hits with rampage. The reason why I think I need accuracy is because lets say a parameter of 1000 being the max I can do, and 700 is the average damage on rampage.

It sounds like you might be a little unsure about the dmg spikes, and if you are even lacking acc to land all hits.

First of all Rampage is 6 hits when you dual wield, the last hit being with off hand. If you think you're lacking acc, go ahead and check your TP return after your WS. A TP return of 15-18% is considered to be landing all hits. With your current WS gear 700-900 should be your average WS dmg. The 1k+ spikes have to do with you Double attacking, and/or criticals during the 6 hits. You can Double attack twice during Rampage, and critical every hit. If your TP return is 18% you Double attacked. Pretty easy to test this with Warrior's Charge. IMO I'd say your acc is fine if you're eating sushi, and your WS dmg is about right. Just pray for more criticals/Double attacks, and two brd Meripos to get those spiked dmg Spampages.