Wrestler Chris Benoit and family found dead in their home

[Creeps]

I'm of the opinion that one act can define a person's character, no matter how long the span of their life is, so arguing the subject is just going to end in a giant circle of bullshit. I'm sure that no one can argue the fact that when someone mentions Benoit, the first thing to come to people's minds is going to be "man, he sure was one crazy asshole" and not "oh, he was a good man." If you go out the way he did, you pretty much doom yourself to being remembered in a negative light.

You can say that we shouldn't condemn a man based on one act of insanity all you want, but the majority of the public is going to. Honestly, I agree with you on that point Perm, but just as Benoit wasn't perfect, either are we and most of us are going to judge him based on the events of the last two days.

[MF Perm]

I'm of the opinion that one act can define a person's character, no matter how long the span of their life is, so arguing the subject is just going to end in a giant circle of bullshit. I'm sure that no one can argue the fact that when someone mentions Benoit, the first thing to come to people's minds is going to be "man, he sure was one crazy asshole" and not "oh, he was a good man." If you go out the way he did, you pretty much doom yourself to being remembered in a negative light.

You can say that we shouldn't condemn a man based on one act of insanity all you want, but the majority of the public is going to. Honestly, I agree with you on that point Perm, but just as Benoit wasn't perfect, either are we and most of us are going to judge him based on the events of the last two days.

Yours and Mysterio's posts summed it up beautifully. I couldn't agree more.

[Creeps]

I'm of the opinion that one act can define a person's character, no matter how long the span of their life is, so arguing the subject is just going to end in a giant circle of bullshit. I'm sure that no one can argue the fact that when someone mentions Benoit, the first thing to come to people's minds is going to be "man, he sure was one crazy asshole" and not "oh, he was a good man." If you go out the way he did, you pretty much doom yourself to being remembered in a negative light.

You can say that we shouldn't condemn a man based on one act of insanity all you want, but the majority of the public is going to. Honestly, I agree with you on that point Perm, but just as Benoit wasn't perfect, either are we and most of us are going to judge him based on the events of the last two days.

Yours and Mysterio's posts summed it up beautifully. I couldn't agree more.

no more debate.

[Souj]

no more debate.

It was Yagami Light!
Damn You Kira!

[SephYuyX]

just as planned Just As Planned JUST AS PLANNED

[Deejay]

I'm of the opinion that one act can define a person's character, no matter how long the span of their life is, so arguing the subject is just going to end in a giant circle of bullshit. I'm sure that no one can argue the fact that when someone mentions Benoit, the first thing to come to people's minds is going to be "man, he sure was one crazy asshole" and not "oh, he was a good man." If you go out the way he did, you pretty much doom yourself to being remembered in a negative light.

You can say that we shouldn't condemn a man based on one act of insanity all you want, but the majority of the public is going to. Honestly, I agree with you on that point Perm, but just as Benoit wasn't perfect, either are we and most of us are going to judge him based on the events of the last two days.

Yours and Mysterio's posts summed it up beautifully. I couldn't agree more.

Judge: So you raped a 12 yr old girl and choked her to death?
Perm: Well yes your honor, but I really am a great guy! Ask all my friends!

[Andarvi]

I'm of the opinion that one act can define a person's character, no matter how long the span of their life is, so arguing the subject is just going to end in a giant circle of bullshit. I'm sure that no one can argue the fact that when someone mentions Benoit, the first thing to come to people's minds is going to be "man, he sure was one crazy asshole" and not "oh, he was a good man." If you go out the way he did, you pretty much doom yourself to being remembered in a negative light.

You can say that we shouldn't condemn a man based on one act of insanity all you want, but the majority of the public is going to. Honestly, I agree with you on that point Perm, but just as Benoit wasn't perfect, either are we and most of us are going to judge him based on the events of the last two days.

Yours and Mysterio's posts summed it up beautifully. I couldn't agree more.

no more debate.

There is an enormous gap between not being perfect ie. being human, making mistakes like telling lies, being greedy, hurting others for our own benefit (on an emotional level), and doing what this guy did. Even if we stopped the discussion at the point where he was just a wife beater, I still place him beyond the realm of "nobody is perfect."

Killing your wife and child, in a way that is not impulsive like running to the closet, grabbing a gun and doing it in a matter of a minute, is so so so far beyond nobody is perfect. Think about it: they are saying he strangles his wife to death on saturday, waits A DAY, with the body still in the house, to SMOTHER his 7 year old.

I may be repeating what everyone else is saying, cause that seems to be whats been happening in this thread, but hes is fully resonsible because:
1- If it was all the result of steroids, then he chose to take them fully knowing their side affects, and deserves no sympathy.
2-It was a combination of roids enhancing an already innate mental problem he had, which he would have clearly known he had (hi2u domestic abuse) and still took them regardless.

For me there was just too much spacing out between the acts, clearly showing he was not right in the head not just at the time, but in general. People base a lot of their assumptions about his character on his wrestling career...which is like saying Britney Spears in wholesome because her character was in Crossroads (never saw the movie, assume she was, you get the point.)

[MF Perm]

I'm of the opinion that one act can define a person's character, no matter how long the span of their life is, so arguing the subject is just going to end in a giant circle of bullshit. I'm sure that no one can argue the fact that when someone mentions Benoit, the first thing to come to people's minds is going to be "man, he sure was one crazy asshole" and not "oh, he was a good man." If you go out the way he did, you pretty much doom yourself to being remembered in a negative light.

You can say that we shouldn't condemn a man based on one act of insanity all you want, but the majority of the public is going to. Honestly, I agree with you on that point Perm, but just as Benoit wasn't perfect, either are we and most of us are going to judge him based on the events of the last two days.

Yours and Mysterio's posts summed it up beautifully. I couldn't agree more.

Judge: So you raped a 12 yr old girl and choked her to death?
Perm: Well yes your honor, but I really am a great guy! Ask all my friends!

http://slantmouth.com/articles/immig...es/columbo.jpg

[Creeps]

I'm of the opinion that one act can define a person's character, no matter how long the span of their life is, so arguing the subject is just going to end in a giant circle of bullshit. I'm sure that no one can argue the fact that when someone mentions Benoit, the first thing to come to people's minds is going to be "man, he sure was one crazy asshole" and not "oh, he was a good man." If you go out the way he did, you pretty much doom yourself to being remembered in a negative light.

You can say that we shouldn't condemn a man based on one act of insanity all you want, but the majority of the public is going to. Honestly, I agree with you on that point Perm, but just as Benoit wasn't perfect, either are we and most of us are going to judge him based on the events of the last two days.

Yours and Mysterio's posts summed it up beautifully. I couldn't agree more.

no more debate.

There is an enormous gap between not being perfect ie. being human, making mistakes like telling lies, being greedy, hurting others for our own benefit (on an emotional level), and doing what this guy did. Even if we stopped the discussion at the point where he was just a wife beater, I still place him beyond the realm of "nobody is perfect."

Killing your wife and child, in a way that is not impulsive like running to the closet, grabbing a gun and doing it in a matter of a minute, is so so so far beyond nobody is perfect. Think about it: they are saying he strangles his wife to death on saturday, waits A DAY, with the body still in the house, to SMOTHER his 7 year old.

I may be repeating what everyone else is saying, cause that seems to be whats been happening in this thread, but hes is fully resonsible because:
1- If it was all the result of steroids, then he chose to take them fully knowing their side affects, and deserves no sympathy.
2-It was a combination of roids enhancing an already innate mental problem he had, which he would have clearly known he had (hi2u domestic abuse) and still took them regardless.

For me there was just too much spacing out between the acts, clearly showing he was not right in the head not just at the time, but in general. People base a lot of their assumptions about his character on his wrestling career...which is like saying Britney Spears in wholesome because her character was in Crossroads (never saw the movie, assume she was, you get the point.)

Read my post again. Just because I think a man shouldn't be condemned by one act alone, I still condemn him because of the nature of the crime. This is one of the few times that I will admit that things aren't always just black or white.

[Intense]

Creeps, how many people do I need to kill for you to condemn me?

[Andarvi]

I'm of the opinion that one act can define a person's character, no matter how long the span of their life is, so arguing the subject is just going to end in a giant circle of bullshit. I'm sure that no one can argue the fact that when someone mentions Benoit, the first thing to come to people's minds is going to be "man, he sure was one crazy asshole" and not "oh, he was a good man." If you go out the way he did, you pretty much doom yourself to being remembered in a negative light.

You can say that we shouldn't condemn a man based on one act of insanity all you want, but the majority of the public is going to. Honestly, I agree with you on that point Perm, but just as Benoit wasn't perfect, either are we and most of us are going to judge him based on the events of the last two days.

Yours and Mysterio's posts summed it up beautifully. I couldn't agree more.

no more debate.

There is an enormous gap between not being perfect ie. being human, making mistakes like telling lies, being greedy, hurting others for our own benefit (on an emotional level), and doing what this guy did. Even if we stopped the discussion at the point where he was just a wife beater, I still place him beyond the realm of "nobody is perfect."

Killing your wife and child, in a way that is not impulsive like running to the closet, grabbing a gun and doing it in a matter of a minute, is so so so far beyond nobody is perfect. Think about it: they are saying he strangles his wife to death on saturday, waits A DAY, with the body still in the house, to SMOTHER his 7 year old.

I may be repeating what everyone else is saying, cause that seems to be whats been happening in this thread, but hes is fully resonsible because:
1- If it was all the result of steroids, then he chose to take them fully knowing their side affects, and deserves no sympathy.
2-It was a combination of roids enhancing an already innate mental problem he had, which he would have clearly known he had (hi2u domestic abuse) and still took them regardless.

For me there was just too much spacing out between the acts, clearly showing he was not right in the head not just at the time, but in general. People base a lot of their assumptions about his character on his wrestling career...which is like saying Britney Spears in wholesome because her character was in Crossroads (never saw the movie, assume she was, you get the point.)

Read my post again. Just because I think a man shouldn't be condemned by one act alone, I still condemn him because of the nature of the crime. This is one of the few times that I will admit that things aren't always just black or white.

Ahh i see, my bad, i read the past few pages at once and the redundancy made it hard to see what you were saying. I added to that redundancy most likely lol.

[Andarvi]

[quote=MF Perm]

I'm of the opinion that one act can define a person's character, no matter how long the span of their life is, so arguing the subject is just going to end in a giant circle of bullshit. I'm sure that no one can argue the fact that when someone mentions Benoit, the first thing to come to people's minds is going to be "man, he sure was one crazy asshole" and not "oh, he was a good man." If you go out the way he did, you pretty much doom yourself to being remembered in a negative light.

You can say that we shouldn't condemn a man based on one act of insanity all you want, but the majority of the public is going to. Honestly, I agree with you on that point Perm, but just as Benoit wasn't perfect, either are we and most of us are going to judge him based on the events of the last two days.

Yours and Mysterio's posts summed it up beautifully. I couldn't agree more.

Judge: So you raped a 12 yr old girl and choked her to death?
Perm: Well yes your honor, but I really am a great guy! Ask all my friends!

http://slantmouth.com/articles/immig...es/columbo.jpg[/quote:86aa4]

Colombo would solve this. You are so right.

[Creeps]

Creeps, how many people do I need to kill for you to condemn me?

You're already condemned after I caught you about to commit bro rape.

[Intense]

Creeps, how many people do I need to kill for you to condemn me?

You're already condemned after I caught you about to commit bro rape.

[AzazaelFenrir]

I'm sure a lawyer would have proved without a shadow of a doubt, that Benoit could not make those decisions in his mindset at that time.

Thats easy to prove, just get an expert witness who will say this. But, you can argue that he neglected and put himself in that position, still making it his fault. Maybe to a lesser degree, but he would be held accountable. He is not the victim, his son is.

Can we agree that he would not be convicted of murder, most likely?

I doubt it. Law is relative and it would take more to prove he was crazy when he did it, than to prove he was not - to a jury of 12.

Defense would need loads of experts on several different fields and that still may not be enough. And since Johnny Cochrane is dead, I don't think he'd stand a chance in hell in a courtroom.

Wait he killed Johnny Cochrane too?!?!?!?!?!?

[Intense]

That guy didnt fuck around. BYAHHHHH!!!

[archibaldcrane]

http://slantmouth.com/articles/immig...es/columbo.jpg

Colombo would solve this. You are so right.

Columbo would be fucked.

Peter Falk, however, is the man for the job.

[President]

He was an hero.

[LLK]

There is no proof he was ON STEROIDS.

In the end when the Toxicology report comes out and it shows it in his system sure fine I'll believe. But you have to realize his WIFE is an ex WCW Woman Wrestler and his son was being fed Growth Hormons. It could very well be SHE is the PSYCHO and not him.

You guys jump all over stuff without the slightest amount of facts.

[Mysterio]

How did Colombo and Bro Rape get into this debate?

for crying out loud