JoL Add Strategy

[Shuemue]

I'm inclined to think that if Wopa's LS wants a nin/brd and it works for them, their reputation is such that I'm unable to suggest they do differently.

[LinktheDeme]

Hi. This isn't funny.

Please refrain from doing it. Instead, maybe you could try posting something of worth that contributes to the thread.

I did contribute to the thread, about 2 posts down from when I said this. Nin/brd is a horrible choice in almost any tanking situation I can think of. If seriously suggesting nin/brd in a holding situation doesn't warrant a "lol" I don't know what does. Furthermore, if I cared about my posts having the Septimus seal of approval on it, I'd post a different naked galka at the end of every one.

And instead of making a useless zoom post, you could have instead substituted your critical analysis of NIN/BRD. That way everyone is happy.

I thought its impossible to make anyone on the internet happy?

[Sepuku]

Ermmm self-Mambo anyone?
Coupled with Evasion gear, it's so easy to hold the RuPhuabos. RDM just walks over tossing an occational Haste or two and you're set.
We use NIN/BRD self-mamboing and RDM/NIN to hold GuguJaja's 4 pets as well.
Cake walk.

Got a problem with that?

NEXT.

What's the point in nin/brd self mamboing when they have sj thief and get about 10+ more evasion from it?

Hate management ? Raptor Mazurka ? self mambo ? and and and ...
Good morning

Raptor mazurka loses its effect when your hit or you do an action on the mob. It also doesn't add hate. The only thing they can use for hate is lullaby and lullabyga. I could see the latter being usefull in rounding up 4 mobs at the same time sure. But when your taking one mob steal, mug and enfeebling ninjutsu will be more than enough to hold hate. Do you even know how to play ninja? Or are you one of those LOL I HAVE SHADOWS CANT DIE perspective ninjas.

I am not a LOL I HAVE SHADOWS CANT DIE NIN. rofl

But honestly back to topic:

Steal 5 minute recast
Mug 15 minute recast

4 steal +2 mug in 15 minutes
assuming you cast NI in full haste each ~+/-30 seconds and loose all shadows during that period.
Thats Enmity loss of approximately 120 NI only shadows.uncounted Ichi.

Thf sub cannot generate enough hate/benefit from sub to be worth the 10 eva imho.

I am still with wopas tactic brd sub has more benefit.

[aurik]

Hi my name is kurayami and I generate lots of hate.

[Yutuyu]

It's funny how the topic about a good JoL strategy has been entirely diverted from discussing JoL, and instead has become a debate about what a Ninja should sub for soloing...

Not really sure what the point is of arguing with the NIN/BRD guy and trying to poke holes in his theory. He's done it, it works, and he's presenting the working theory. Sure you can say, "Well I think there's better ways to do it" but to say "it won't work" when he's presenting that it does work makes little sense...

[Sepuku]

Honestly you can kill JoL however you like to.^^
Since i have my Love Torque, i feel the love flowing through my body.
I love you all.
http://home.arcor.de/sepuku/daggerskill.jpg

[ninjafox]

would nin/whm or nin/rdm or even nin/drk? I haven't fought JoL before yet, just tossing out ideas

[Hakamaru]

How about NIN/RDM or NIN/WHM poking at a Phaubo with parrying knives or some nonsense? They have MP, so Energy Drain: O. When I was PL'ing my parrying, I was impressed at NIN/WHM's ability to survive for ridiculously long periods of time just with Energy Drain (or even sanction refresh). BRD sub just doesn't seem very attractive to me for this application. I love the overall tactic idea though. I've already suggested it to my LS for future runs. Thanks!

[aurik]

It's funny how the topic about a good JoL strategy has been entirely diverted from discussing JoL, and instead has become a debate about what a Ninja should sub for soloing...

Not really sure what the point is of arguing with the NIN/BRD guy and trying to poke holes in his theory. He's done it, it works, and he's presenting the working theory. Sure you can say, "Well I think there's better ways to do it" but to say "it won't work" when he's presenting that it does work makes little sense...

nobody's saying nin/brd won't work, but it's pretty retarded. nin/almostanythingelse would be better. /rdm, /blu, /whm ?

[Jaffar]

Well, if he was wearing melody+ earrings, nin/brd would get the benefit from having a song on him, at least.

[LinktheDeme]

It's funny how the topic about a good JoL strategy has been entirely diverted from discussing JoL, and instead has become a debate about what a Ninja should sub for soloing...

Not really sure what the point is of arguing with the NIN/BRD guy and trying to poke holes in his theory. He's done it, it works, and he's presenting the working theory. Sure you can say, "Well I think there's better ways to do it" but to say "it won't work" when he's presenting that it does work makes little sense...

nobody's saying nin/brd won't work, but it's pretty retarded. nin/almostanythingelse would be better. /rdm, /blu, /whm ?

ORRRRRRR you could have the nin/brd and the other nin/cor in order to get both get ninja roll and mambo and stay together. Which will still probably be 10 less evasion than /thf.

To above poster: theres evasion +5 earings, and i think a +4 one as well? Anyways on harder mobs evasion seems to be more useful than +skill

[fallenleaf]

Well, if he was wearing melody+ earrings, nin/brd would get the benefit from having a song on him, at least.

if going that route i'd go nin/cor to escape the shitty long time it takes to play mambo. but yea, nin/whm or nin/rdm would be my first thought.

anyway, thank you for the strat wop! Our first jailer of love only a few weeks away.

[Nikko]

I don't know if people know this but positioning JoL close to a wall causes one of his summons (ru'phuabo) to pop on top of the wall, where it will then despawn leaving you with only 2.

[Fng]

We did JOL last night and since we have an abundance of members, we had two RDM/NIN and a BRD hold the two sharks (they said it was cake to hold em, just a lot of button mashing)..

Interesting note.. we never saw Astral Flow. Maybe holding two Sharks prevents it?


Wopa do you all see Astral Flow when fighting JOL in this manner?

[Sepuku]

Yes.The sharks will do their TP attack.
I am not with wopacompany ls.
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[Lordwafik]

Haven't done JoL in a while, but those Phuabo he summons only hit for like.. 50? tops? What's the argument about? A candy bar can hold these.

[Intense]

Especially if said candy bars are Butterfingers! ( :D )

[akarikamigishi]

My LS tried JoL a few weeks ago, with not too many people, and mostly 2boxed. We had a rdm/nin run in to pull phuabos, and a blm PT to nuke, however lack of direction led to a lot of accidental deaths in BLM PT with 1-2 of the phuabos still alive (MP was really tight).

With that in mind, when JoL summoned, he brought out a fresh set of 3, so many times we had 4-6 phuabos running around. There were a couple times where he only summoned 1, but it was 3 more often than not... We could deal with 3 at a time with more prep, but dealing with up to 6 was really too hard. I went as smn and they hit me for like 200+ per hit, I don't see where Wafik gets 50 =/ The BLMs got taken down instantly in 1-2 rounds of attacks too.

[Hakamaru]

I went as smn and they hit me for like 200+ per hit, I don't see where Wafik gets 50 =/ The BLMs got taken down instantly in 1-2 rounds of attacks too.

He's exaggerating a valid point. I believe they hit me for 70-90 on my NIN in -40% damage & DEF gear / food + Protect. Put phalanx on top of that, and you're looking at a pretty insignificant number per hit for a tanking job that can cast shadows as well.

[akarikamigishi]

Alright, I'll take that. It was a long long fight (that didn't end well) so I didn't have protect on anymore after 30 min >.> But that aside, how come we always got so many phuabos? I swear we had more than 3 several times.