Siren Drama - Gotta Love It

[Tsontia]

There is no such thing as an HNMLS that "lets go" of drama. Even if discussion on it stops, they will keep it in their minds for use the next time an incident occurs.

*shrugs* maybe its time that changed? or am i talking to brick walls here?

[bungie]

There is no such thing as an HNMLS that "lets go" of drama. Even if discussion on it stops, they will keep it in their minds for use the next time an incident occurs.

*shrugs* maybe its time that changed? or am i talking to brick walls here?

minus the ppl I did dyna with in masspull, I will prolly never let go of my dislike towards pld7.

[Tsontia]

sweet

thats one brick wall, any others?

[Hapernack]

sweet

thats one brick wall, any others?

Look, iirc you're pretty new to the HNM world. Am I right?

Ok lemme lay something out for you here. I promised to give this thread some real drama because the OP failed pretty hard. No doubt some people from the boards will soon start posting here or at least are getting some amusement out of this. Quite frankly, I delivered pretty nicely what I promised to deliver.

HNM Shells are going to argue over claims and items. Its human nature and its pretty inevitable. The arguements tend to follow certain paths though:

-Starts with a spark of mentioning of an incident
-Many posts ensue from the 2 sides about who's story about said incident is correct
-Eventually it moves on to not the incident, but the shells themselves
-The shells unleash every bit of crap they have on each other out in the open to prove "how crappy the other is"
-The discussion eventually fades but the new incident is added to the victor's pocket of drama to save for stage 4 in the next fight that occurs

Think I pretty much covered everything there. Anything else?

[Tsontia]

ehh, i suppose brick walls all around then, oh well it was worth a try


and no, im not new to the HNM camping LS world thingy, i just dont play very often <3

[Rho]

Seriously though, this is just Siren's version of a bad episode of Jerry Springer (wait, are there good ones?)

Four pages and a PrimeDomain vs. Validus bitchfest later...

... and I'm still disappointed that the thread lacks an epic rap.

Can someone get Naph on this stat plz?

[Vlorsutes]

lolvlorsutes, you mentioned something about us twisting the truth earlier. 13 man nidhogg, 12 man tiamat? nup. a few tiamats ago, you had 12 or so until 75%, then that number doubled. that's your only claim to low numbers. Also, you had 26 online at yesterdays tiamat, someone in your shell did a /sea for me, of which i counted 7 or 8 plds. Now who's bending the facts?

The 13 man nidhogg was the one where Klide got his M.body, and the 12 man Tiamat was at about 4am or so, and it was the Tiamat that Zestrio had been camping for the entire window duration and then couldn't get enough people on to do anything when she did pop. We had 3 pld, 1 whm, couple brd, bout 3 stunners, then 3 smn and we went to town on it. Three or four members in the add party that we never had to swap in (so you can't say that they were all pld and we Took a little while due to lack of dd, but was about the smoothest tiamat fight I've personally experienced. Apart from Zestrio and Trippin, only people there were QC and LGA mules. Basically no one in VD was even online, and those that were most likely were afk or oblivious to the pop because none showed up.

For your information, we had an alliance and a little over a full party at Tiamat, and not the 2+ alliances that you always claim we bring. And none of us were saying we were going to wipe (maybe thought it, but never said it), just the primary concern was sleeping it, since it would have bought us the time to get our unweakened pld back in. Then it gets bio'd, can't sleep it, wipe, then you guys rush in like you're some kind of heroes.

You said you saw 26 of us there? Sounds like I didn't skew this fact at all. A full alliance (18) plus a little over a full party for adds (8) = 26, which is far from the 40+ that Haper was claiming we brought. Besides some of those pld were in the add party since they're good for adds with w.legs and all (not like we had them sitting around waiting to be swapped in).

The 13 man Nidhogg that klide got m.body, is that the one you guys stole from Fortuna at 10% life? Just curious if thats the 13 man fight you're referring to. Also note that Fortuna still had both PLDs up and it went yellow when they slept it. Funny I think you guys claimed it off them twice that fight and wiped a few times on steals. Raged Nidhoggs lol... Yea you guys did not have 40+ there was 38 in the zone at the time we /sea, 7 were us. so roughly 31 were you guys maybe a misc. BST. But anyways ya that's fine you're allowed to fight with as many people as you want and take as much time as you want. But at some point when the majority of your LS is dead and you have a ton of PLD dead, you are done with the fight. There may have been half a PLD alive and you wanted to sleep to try and salvage you're fight but you have to think.. is this considered holding? You guys held Tiamat yesterday for 30mins before DD happened. I had a GM there and they were really noob they had to look up what holding was and then ask me who to msg in the other alliance to talk about it. They were lame as fuck so you guys were lucky to even get it.

The Tiamat I tried to flail on Desertigloo awhile back was because of the Nidhogg you tried to flail a day before, and the GM who jailed me was laughing w/ me about it >.> I ended up giving him gil to follow me around town for a good bit for fun... lots of laughs lots of beer! But what about the Cerberus you guys stole from us when 1 PLD d/ced and I died.. we had the rest of the alliance alive and ready to ES bind. The fact was your ls knew we had PLD on the way and knew that was your only chance to get claim on Cerberus so you took it without any hesitation on yellow. We sucked it up and moved on, honestly if Tiamat didn't drop full drops and just dropped a fire crystal nobody would be here moaning about it.

Also another question was it 2 days in a row or 3 days in a row that Kinto's mule Keads claimed Fafnirs solo and Shapua cured him to make sure RD would get claim? (Not talking about the one FT and PB had to alliance for.)

Nope, Nid I'm talking about was from claim to death solely ours, and the only reason we tried flailing you at Nid that one night was because retaliation to the Cerberus that you stole from us earlier that week (with your joking cfh wamoura and trolls on our mages). It was an attempt to put you guys on the receiving end of the same shit you've thrown at us for as long as I've been a part of this ls (well before we got Trigga so don't say that you didn't have a problem with us before then), and though it may not have worked as well as we planned, it was in hopes that it would have shook VD up a little bit and decided to leave us alone, but we were mistaken. You just started doubling your efforts and in one way or another tried mpking or stealing every hnm we got our hands on.

Yesterday's Tiamat, regardless of the drops it would have been talked about, and technically speaking this really started on Wednesday due to us outclaiming you at Khimaira, then you guys started shouting that we botted it. How the hell can you say Trigga botted it? He saw Ekeis running up to claim it and just flashed it beforehand....way to bot there >.>. As for holding, you obviously don't know of the revised GM rule that if people are on the way that nothing can be done if a group is "holding" a mob, otherwise we would have called GMs on you many times for holding, since that's how most all your Tiamat claims start. Either you have a mage run in and sleep it and continue having mages sleep it till you have a group there to kill, or you just have a few pld and mages hold it and do minimal damage (nowhere near enough to overtake her regen) for maybe 20 minutes or so till your group is ready. So honestly, don't act like you don't hold, because you do quite a bit.

That Cerberus that we "stole" from you as you put it, first off if you were going to ES bind it, then maybe your mages should have tried doing so while it was over towards the other wall, not when it was right on top of you. Secondly, don't make it sound like we were the only ones that tried claiming it after it went back yellow, as I remember every other linkshell that was there was likewise spamming on it. Only reason you're making such a big deal about it is because it was us who came out with claim and kill in the end.

That 10% Nidhogg you referred to (which was Trigga's M.body), that wasn't a steal, FT fully wiped to it and we claimed after they did. A completely legitimate claim.

We're not the heartless thieving bastards you make us out to be. I mean hell, we gave LGA back an aspid that they lost claim to because both their pld died, because they are a decent ls who hasn't tried messing with us, and we'd do it again if the same situation arose again. If VD was the same way we would have given you back that Cerberus, but you're repeatedly nothing more than a linkshell that will do anything to try and get the hnm they want (forcing a wipe, etc)

Only reason we didn't try anything on you guys yesterday is because we were trying to be the bigger man, to show that we don't have to stoop down to VD's level and mpk others whenever it suits us, that we're better than you because regardless of how pissed we get towards your actions, we're not going to take it out on you by trying to get you guys killed or anything.

[Tsontia]

yay more fuel to the haperfire!

[Hapernack]

That 10% Nidhogg you referred to (which was Trigga's M.body), that wasn't a steal, FT fully wiped to it and we claimed after they did. A completely legitimate claim.

Funny yesterday there was this 6% Tiamat you referred to (which was Malar's Herald's Gaiters), that wasn't a steal, RD fully wiped to it and we claimed after they did. A completely legitimate claim.

[Tsontia]

wait wait


is a "full wipe" when an ls is completly dead, or mostly dead?

[Vlorsutes]

That 10% Nidhogg you referred to (which was Trigga's M.body), that wasn't a steal, FT fully wiped to it and we claimed after they did. A completely legitimate claim.

Funny yesterday there was this 6% Tiamat you referred to (which was Malar's Herald's Gaiters), that wasn't a steal, RD fully wiped to it and we claimed after they did. A completely legitimate claim.

No, see a full wipe is everyone dead and no one in the group that was fighting it has hate on it anymore. Definately not the case with Tiamat yesterday.

Now maybe if you had waited a bit to see if we did indeed wipe fully, then we wouldn't be having this argument, but you acted hastily, mpk'd us, and are now trying to act like you're not at fault.

[Hapernack]

That 10% Nidhogg you referred to (which was Trigga's M.body), that wasn't a steal, FT fully wiped to it and we claimed after they did. A completely legitimate claim.

Funny yesterday there was this 6% Tiamat you referred to (which was Malar's Herald's Gaiters), that wasn't a steal, RD fully wiped to it and we claimed after they did. A completely legitimate claim.

No, see a full wipe is everyone dead and no one in the group that was fighting it has hate on it anymore. Definately not the case with Tiamat yesterday.

Now maybe if you had waited a bit to see if we did indeed wipe fully, then we wouldn't be having this argument, but you acted hastily, mpk'd us, and are now trying to act like you're not at fault.

No see that's a full wipe to anyone else who fights normally. You have your own special set of rules.

Everyone else uses like 2 maybe 3 tanks at the very most on any HNM. If the tanks are dead its known that its only a matter of time until the mages start dying off and chaos ensues because very soon there won't be any hate on the HNM and it will go unclaimed.

Seeing as how you regularly use between 6-10 PLD at your HNMs, using this rule on you guys would be a complete and utter act of idiocy since normally a setup like that would never have a PLD who isn't full health and has hate on the mob so it doesn't go wild and/or unclaimed. Even so, when you were fighting yesterday you had no tanks up and ready. You can't possibly have because you guys lost claim for a good long while which is how Rag managed to get Bio II in. When you see a pile of over 20 dead bodies all from one LS, and NO tanks are up, what would you do? You'd claim. So what's a mage going to use to claim? Something fast that deals damage. So stun won't do it... Sleep II is far too slow... guess that leaves DoT since we knew we could easily kill from that low a %. Don't act like it was a "viscious act of MPK" or anything and blow everything out of view.

Also don't try to act like you guys take the high road or something like a respectable LS all the time and that we don't do a thing. Don't forget the last Tiamat you had that was with 10 PLD and 40 people it lasted almost 3 hours. Somehow you guys lost claim 4 different times during that fight each time for a period of 3 or more seconds which is far more than enough to steal a claim if we so took that road. However seeing as how we let you win that one because you didn't wipe I'd say that's just one of MANY situations where we let you go because its not in the rules to take something when you're obviously not wiping. However yesterday? Don't deny. Don't exaggerate as many of your members are so fond of doing. You guys were down and wiped. Plain and simple.

[Tsontia]

/em adds fuel to the HaperFire

lol we did get our asses handed to us my Tiamat yesterday, no doubt about that


but really


was it nesscsarry to cast bio on it? i mean, by ur logic, it woulda wiped us out soon anyway cause all of our plds were dead/weakend as well as most of our mages and other DD and yall coulda had a free tiamat no strings attached


but i guess people just want the drama so damn badly

whatever tho, have fun <3

[Drakul]

That 10% Nidhogg you referred to (which was Trigga's M.body), that wasn't a steal, FT fully wiped to it and we claimed after they did. A completely legitimate claim.

Funny yesterday there was this 6% Tiamat you referred to (which was Malar's Herald's Gaiters), that wasn't a steal, RD fully wiped to it and we claimed after they did. A completely legitimate claim.

No, see a full wipe is everyone dead and no one in the group that was fighting it has hate on it anymore. Definately not the case with Tiamat yesterday.

Now maybe if you had waited a bit to see if we did indeed wipe fully, then we wouldn't be having this argument, but you acted hastily, mpk'd us, and are now trying to act like you're not at fault.

No that 10% Nidhogg was not a full wipe not even close. I dont even think they had 1 death before you guys took it on yellow. Do you remember Pippy trying to flail u guys after you stole it? Because he still had hate. Maybe you weren't there but Nidhogg was definitely stolen. I'm sure if an FT member were reading this board they would agree.

That Cerberus that we 'mpked' you on was bs, you guys blamed us for it yet your leaders agreed that we had nothing to do w/ the wipe. Squall and Darkseraph both said that it was fair and that you had lost on your own. The fact is you called for help on your own on that cerberus and ate 5 Gates before we even got there. You really can't blame us for it. If lag from having 1 Wamoura lagged u how were u able to fight the next cerberus with your BLU fighting the trolls nearby? Guess you fixed your lag problem huh? I would mention your ability to stun Tiamat with all the corse/eles around but you don't do so well at stunning Tiamat.

What about you guys changing back to your own Linkshell to try and get some of our members banned for having the letters RD in a /seacom. If you want to talk about growing up maybe you should start by ignoring /seacom comments. Look if you guys are proud of killing Tiamat, Fafnir, Nidhogg, KB etc.. w/ 6-7 PLD and 30 members then fine, be proud of it. Just ignore what we say, but if it bothers you maybe you should try to work to make your kills more skillful. Show Siren that you can win Bahamut v2 (not saying its a really tough fight more saying that its a capped 18 person BCNM that you can't bring a huge #s to).

[Angelsin]

wait wait


is a "full wipe" when an ls is completly dead, or mostly dead?

Yes it is. But did it happen?

So... when you witness over 40 deaths... all of them from the same LS, and they have 1 weakened PLD up kiting when all other tanks/DD are lying dead, and they have maybe 2 mages up taking care of raises this is considered... "recovering"? That's not a recovery, that's a wipe. I don't care who you are. That's a wipe.

*Cue pictures of about 8 ppl WITH THE OTHER 30 BEHIND THAT ROCK*

Clearly no. Haper already admitted that there were ppl up when they Bio'd Tiamat. Now he's saying it was a fully wipe. This is almost like when he said the insults he's been throwing around and ending an insulting rant with "you are all still so incredibly hopeless/stupid that you'll continue to follow them no matter how horrifically and obviously bad they are not just as players but as people." English motherfucker! Do you speak it? That is a personal insult. Welcome to the english language. Are you sure you're character name isn't Edataru because you're sure acting like it.

One thing I always get a kick out of on forums is that everything is over exaggerated. "It was a full wipe even with all the weakend ppl up". "There's 4 ppl dead behind that rock." "They had over 40 ppl in the zone" etc etc etc. None of these are actually true and you don't have to be on Siren to know this. Hell even your own LS members are saying your wrong Haper. Your too 'passionate' about this topic and determine that you are never wrong even when you clearly contradict yourself after each post. Let your ls members do the talking as they are using less personal and verbal attacks and are doing more of a debate than lashing out like a raving maniac like you're doing.

There is no such thing as an HNMLS that "lets go" of drama. Even if discussion on it stops, they will keep it in their minds for use the next time an incident occurs.

Again quit talking about things you clearly don't have a fucking clue about. Just because the whiners of FFXI are on Siren and the babies there have to keep little bitch feast going all the time lashing out at everyone that disagrees with them in any way doesn't mean every HNM scene is like that. Ramuh is so much more different than Siren it's amazing. Shit talking is everywhere but it's brushed off here within seconds of the comment being said. Siren ppl are just immature and have to dwell on every little thing. Why else with Siren's own community forums (http://www.sirenffxi.com) have to be ran by nazi mods locking threads because 99% of all 'debates' are just bitching back and forth. And BG, since the whiners of Siren can't bitch on sirenffxi.com, no one goes to KI, lolzam, guess who's the target of all the bitching now? Enjoy.

[bungie]

OK, on some real shit. After having that many ppl and that many pld there, after that display of a close wipe, imo that's a fukin loss even if yall happened to some how pull a kill out of ur ass. Srsly that was embarassing for me to even watch and I'm not even in ur ls.

And v, get ur head straight and take some meds for ur medical condition before u comment on things u asume or think u know becuase it appears to me ur judgement is all wacked out.

U still didn't answer my question, how was my cfh mob gonna aoe yall? it was 100% yall's fault u wiped on that... Yall had already had 50% wipe or more before we even showed up. I would love the credit, honest I would but credit is not mine. we handle ppl fighting mobs on top and behind us many times and still win.

Also u talk about being the bigger man to not retaliate... But I believe it was because a gm was expected due to prior threats or maybe even because u guys know better. Maybe I'm being arogant, but there aint shit that yall could do out of retaliation w.o it being a waste of ur time. If yall could pull it off yall would.

Goml

[Vlorsutes]

That 10% Nidhogg you referred to (which was Trigga's M.body), that wasn't a steal, FT fully wiped to it and we claimed after they did. A completely legitimate claim.

Funny yesterday there was this 6% Tiamat you referred to (which was Malar's Herald's Gaiters), that wasn't a steal, RD fully wiped to it and we claimed after they did. A completely legitimate claim.

No, see a full wipe is everyone dead and no one in the group that was fighting it has hate on it anymore. Definately not the case with Tiamat yesterday.

Now maybe if you had waited a bit to see if we did indeed wipe fully, then we wouldn't be having this argument, but you acted hastily, mpk'd us, and are now trying to act like you're not at fault.

What about you guys changing back to your own Linkshell to try and get some of our members banned for having the letters RD in a /seacom. If you want to talk about growing up maybe you should start by ignoring /seacom comments. Look if you guys are proud of killing Tiamat, Fafnir, Nidhogg, KB etc.. w/ 6-7 PLD and 30 members then fine, be proud of it. Just ignore what we say, but if it bothers you maybe you should try to work to make your kills more skillful. Show Siren that you can win Bahamut v2 (not saying its a really tough fight more saying that its a capped 18 person BCNM that you can't bring a huge #s to).

I'm not going to bother with what else you had to say since I've went over it many times already and don't really feel like saying it again, but we've proven in multiple major hnm fights that we don't have to have the multitude of pld or general numbers that you claim we can't kill anything without. I've also said that one of the major reasons we have so many of our people show up is because no one is told who is in line for anything, so it's foolish of our members to not show up to anything and possibly miss out on something they want/need. As for why we may have so many pld show up, 9 times out of 10 it's their best job for the situation at hand (after all what's the point of bringing a mnk to something like Tiamat?)

Well, I take that back, I will point out that the Cerberus that we claimed after you guys lost your PLD that Malar contacted Xsquallx that you guys wouldn't have been able to hold it long enough to get your other PLD there. Also why he had Bungie stop spamming Haste or whatever the hell he was casting to try and lag us, because it was a fair claim.

I'm not saying that we didn't screw up that Tiamat yesterday big time, but hell, we're only human. You've had your share of near wipes due to mistimed stuns, and you bring your fair share of pld to some hnm camps (probably saw 5 or so pld at your KB yesterday, which I must say you guys didn't handle very well for a good portion of it). As Xsquallx and Asta agreed upon the other day, VD pretty much has the same number of people as PD does, so if half your people aren't showing up to hnm camps, then what the hell are they doing? Definately shows where your members' loyalties are if they're out doing their own things when you're camping an hnm.

I don't know how it would have hit us Bungie, maybe you hoped that a mistargetted flash would hit it in the midst of the fight (hell, happens with darters in the Aery to everyone), or maybe you just wanted to try and lag the pld out, I don't know. Just too damn suspicious for someone to have a cfh Wamoura that close to our pld and it not be an mpk attempt as you claim it wasn't.

Haper, in response to an earlier comment you made about us "obviously botting" please explain why Krynn would bring Kryno (for those that don't know, Kryno's a whm under lv. 50) to Dragon's Aery, have him in your alliance to claim, d2'd him after he landed the flash that claimed it, then bring him back to the Aery several more nights? Now if that doesn't sound like an obvious bot, I don't know what does. It's even more obvious of a bot than Keads, which is saying quite a bit.

[Angelsin]

Haper, in response to an earlier comment you made about us "obviously botting" please explain why Krynn would bring Kryno (for those that don't know, Kryno's a whm under lv. 50) to Dragon's Aery, have him in your alliance to claim, d2'd him after he landed the flash that claimed it, then bring him back to the Aery several more nights? Now if that doesn't sound like an obvious bot, I don't know what does. It's even more obvious of a bot than Keads, which is saying quite a bit.

Krynn was already kicked from VD for 'botting' when he claimed afk in DA one day. Ekeis claimed in BD and stood there afk for a few seconds before he actually started kiting. And PD has trigga who's sig on their own forum page is "Did I claim afk?" Not to mention that PD or VD NEVER came to a single camp until they got their hands on bots. News flash - no one fucking cares about your "you bot" bullshit. STFU already. If this is the only form of 'ammunition' you have say for all the events that have lead up to this point then leave already. Is going to be awesome when the STF actually starts focusing on HNM camps instead of RMT's. That unclaimed NM thread is going to triple over night.

[MrG]

mod sez: don't post that shit

[Hapleauce]

woooooot go siren!
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