Einherjar Tier 2 [Now with more bitching!]

[Khamsin]

Those damn JPs have reported:
-Einherjar Brei: "blue ghost Bfut type" (could mean slimes or maybe they saw Corrupt or Vanquished Einherjar or something)
-Mokkuralfi: "course" (Could've meant custard or something, but the fact that they reported that it summons skeletons is very corse-like, unless they meant the skeletons just spawned)
-Andhrimnir: "Kikiln" (most definitely a bad translation of Qiqirn, especially since it runs away and uses "Kikilnmainn" (Qiqirn Mines))

The JP didn't say the Brei were "blue ghost Bfut type" they simply said they were "Bfut" which, for all we know, may mean slime. It's not as if they said it was a Bhoot.

As for Mokkuralfi, all I recall is this:

Brapon always. 
After a while, Hone named Hafgygr and one sickle Hone named Margygr are summoned. 
It boils immediately if it knocks it down (It is not summons). 
Earoga 3, Stonga 3, Brizaga 3, and Wotaga 3 are used. Stan * 
It is painful at the Meteor level. a range it ..F and Retoribution.. not good 
Is the latter half enchanting used?

which didn't specifically say Corse. However, the description does seem in line with custards, in light of "boiling". Just remember: Brapon always.

[Vistani]

boil is moonspeak for spawn

[Sagacious Sundi]

What really confuses me is that first they say the bones are summoned, then it says "It is not summons." Huh?

Also, here is where I get "ghost" and "course" from. (The third thing under Helmuvege reports the Brei and Mokkuralfi.) Also, apparently "Brapon" is Blood Weapon (since they say it's like the manticore BC, and I just did my research). As far as I know, corses and custards are typically BLM. However, if I remember correctly from searching Google last night, Mokkuralfi (not to be confused with Mokkurkalfi/Hrungnir) is apparently a clay giant in mythology, so I guess flan would fit that description moreso. I'm actually gonna conclude custard now, since they say "Is there latter half enchanting used?" which sounds like the other flan-mode (where they look tired). But what is "Retoribution"? Sounds an awful like Xolotl's "Final Retribution".

EDIT: So the boiling/spawning is talking about the bones? Now I'm very very confused.

Another thing that confuses me is why both Einherjar Brei and Winebibbers/Hazhalm and Utgarth Leeches are in the same wing (unless they use different palettes or abilities or whatever).

[Vistani]

Brapon always.
After a while, Hone named Hafgygr and one sickle Hone named Margygr are summoned.
It boils immediately if it knocks it down (It is not summons). 
Earoga 3, Stonga 3, Brizaga 3, and Wotaga 3 are used. Stan * 
It is painful at the Meteor level. a range it ..F and Retoribution.. not good 
Is the latter half enchanting used?

Sounds like it has perma bloodweapon, has 1 war and 1 blm skele that respawn immediately if they die, casts tier 3 ga spells and stun? Or maybe that last bit means stun immune. I'm willing to bet that "Is the latter half enchanting used?" is the person asking if it starts charming in the second half of the fight, you could probably look up on a jp site whether other mobs are listed as enchanting uses.

[Akanei]

What really confuses me is that first they say the bones are summoned, then it says "It is not summons." Huh?

Also, here is where I get "ghost" and "course" from. (The third thing under Helmuvege reports the Brei and Mokkuralfi.) Also, apparently "Brapon" is Blood Weapon (since they say it's like the manticore BC, and I just did my research). As far as I know, corses and custards are typically BLM. However, if I remember correctly from searching Google last night, Mokkuralfi (not to be confused with Mokkurkalfi/Hrungnir) is apparently a clay giant in mythology, so I guess flan would fit that description moreso. I'm actually gonna conclude custard now, since they say "Is there latter half enchanting used?" which sounds like the other flan-mode (where they look tired). But what is "Retoribution"? Sounds an awful like Xolotl's "Final Retribution".

EDIT: So the boiling/spawning is talking about the bones? Now I'm very very confused.

Blood Weapon
2 Skels (war & blm) that respawn when killed
Bliz/Water/Stone/Aeroga 3
Final Retribution
Presumably uses danse macabre under 50% (unconfirmed)

Edit: So yeah, say hi to super Xolotl.

[Sargas]

Since this looks like Super Xolotl, they might be asking about Gala Macabre instead of (in addition to?) Danse Macabre, too. Charmga would be pretty horrible here, but I wouldn't put anything past SE.

[Kaslo]

Edit: So yeah, say hi to super Xolotl.

That's just begging for a Xolotl .dat edit >.>

[Khamsin]

Maybe I'm misunderstanding, but I thought it was confirmed that it's a custard and not a corse as originally thought? Or was that just a theory?

[Sagacious Sundi]

Maybe I'm misunderstanding, but I thought it was confirmed that it's a custard and not a corse as originally thought? Or was that just a theory?

Earlier, I guessed that there's some mess-up with the mob names or, more likely, types. Since the JPs have reported Andhrimnir being a Qiqirn meanwhile in this thread it was reported that a boss starting with "A" was a corse. Also, there's the whole Einherjar Brei being reported as ghosts by the JPs but shown to be slimes.

In other words, mob-types might be messed up in wing 2. Still waiting for same-language conflicts or screenshots that conflict each other, though. It could be related to Judai (I think that was who?) reporting Muninn (or whichever is the black crow) to be red a month ago and possibly mixed results of both or no message+chest from the birds/tiger.

EDIT: A JP database for NMs that they link to (I mentioned it earlier) says Xolotl is a "course" and the following: "F and Retoribution (range damage)/Garamacabl(range enchanting)"; definitely seems as though something's wrong. One thing I'm curious of: Technically you don't need CoP installed to access Einherjar (although I can almost bet my spot in Heaven that everyone that has ToA has CoP), but aren't corse models only available with CoP installed?

[LD]

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I'm sorry, have you been to the internet before? It was created for one reason, as a means for people to vent. Be it emotional outrage, a cry for attention, or sexual frustration, that is its sole purpose, to get out all your pent up shit.

Aww man, and here I thought the internet was created for the free exchange of ideas. And I thought this thread was for the free exchange of information concerning Tier 2 Einherjar.

I didn't know it was for you bitching about your sexual frustration. My bad dude, just keep plugging away at that battlefield and you will eventually get some pussy. I know it can be pretty random too but keep at it.

Obviously I have a point, since all you contributed there is a complaint about someone else's attitude. Oh, but maybe I'm simply projecting my narrow world view on someone who's trying to make a point. I apologize if it seemed like I was attacking you personally, since you obviously have firm grip on the purpose of this thread and your place in it.

[Palin@Ramuh]

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I'm sorry, have you been to the internet before? It was created for one reason, as a means for people to vent. Be it emotional outrage, a cry for attention, or sexual frustration, that is its sole purpose, to get out all your pent up shit.

Aww man, and here I thought the internet was created for the free exchange of ideas. And I thought this thread was for the free exchange of information concerning Tier 2 Einherjar.

I didn't know it was for you bitching about your sexual frustration. My bad dude, just keep plugging away at that battlefield and you will eventually get some pussy. I know it can be pretty random too but keep at it.

Obviously I have a point, since all you contributed there is a complaint about someone else's attitude. Oh, but maybe I'm simply projecting my narrow world view on someone who's trying to make a point. I apologize if it seemed like I was attacking you personally, since you obviously have firm grip on the purpose of this thread and your place in it.

it's turtles all the way down

[BRP]

LD please stop it. This thread finally got on topic and now it's being derailed again.

[Rocl]

Title changed to match derail, please carry on with meaningful exploration of Einherjar Tier 2. And for those actually going forth into tier 2 Einherjar and reporting back you have my thanks (*'-')b

Until next time...

[Sagacious Sundi]

What the--the JP wiki cleared their info on wing 2 from like the past 2 weeks (this includes Course/Kikiln/Bfut madness), and now call Andhrimnir a corse. So either:

-This is vandalism.
-They erased some stuff because of inconsistencies.
or
-I've been lied to.

EDIT: Huge brain blast. I'm pretty sure the original info they had for at least Andhrimnir was false. How do I know? The lack of a Qiqirn Mine in the .dats!

[Foustian]

Just wait, first shell to kill odin will get a dark crystal.

Fixed.

Fixed fixed ^^

Anyway, if wing I is up to two mobs set + boss, maybe wing II is up to three mobs set + boss. I guess wing III will be up to four mobs set + boss @_@ Fucked up.

Having been in Tier II, that isn't the case. Its the same as Tier I, just different mob types and different bosses.

We failed last time cause we went in with 4 BLMs and we got jellies. When we realized we were gonna lose, we did T-ga III to see how much it would do. 4 BLM did 33% damage to all slimes. with 12 BLM, maybe a few more for safety's sake, you should be able to MB them with ease.

I really think a MB alliance would tear through this shit if someone organized it, much like Wafik's MB Dynamis shell.

What exactly isn't the case? Cuz while I haven't done Tier 2 yet, the following was posted earlier in this thread.

1st wave - 12 Urgath Leeches
2nd wave - 12 Hazhalm Leeches > 12 Hazhalm Bats (or w/e they are called) > Flan Mega Boss.

So it looks like 3 mob sets are possible in Tier 2, or I've somehow completely misunderstood that post.

[Sagacious Sundi]

Based on the posts, it seems it's:
Wing I: 1-2 groups + 1 boss + 1 "trigger"
Wing II: 1 group (1st wave); 1-2 groups + 1 boss + 1 "trigger" (2nd wave)

Wing III might be 2 waves of 1 group each, with the third wave having 1-2 groups.

[Gokulo]

Nope, no misunderstanding.
We had 3 groups of mobs on that run. Leeches => Leeches + Bats + Custard Boss
That was lotsa mobs...
It just scared me when I think that Wing 3 could have even more ^^;

[Rai]

Helmwige's Chamber once again last night and this time FRAPS actually worked. I'm not gonna post screens though since they're boring anyway and only show mob names. If for some reason you want me to post them, let me know.

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Wave 1 were triple bats called Utgarth Bats. In addition to the normal triple bat moves (ATK down, Jet Stream) they used AOE acc down and AOE damage moves.

Saehrimnir (tiger) popped and was killed, no chest no message.

For wave 2 we got Winebibbers (slimes) and Balrahn (Soulflayer). Nothing special to report from slimes except that their Fluid Spread move hurts.
Started the boss with about 9 minutes left.

Balrahn used normal Flayer moves (AOE Curse, Tribulation, AOE-Dispel-everything, etc), spammed the curse move at start. At around 80% HP he started chain casting -ga III, they are easily stunable though. At around 65% HP he put up magic barrier (dunno the name, but it's a normal Flayer move as far as I know). We still managed to stun -gaIIIs just with melee attacks and a BLU using Headbutt. However, we lost quite a bit of damage due to BLMs being useless.
Eventually, we timed out with the boss at around 45% HP.
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It's kinda frustrating, some more BLM for slimes or a different mob than slimes and we could have won this easily. I'm really starting to hate the randomness >_>

[donnie]

what i have confirmation on:

1- red porogoo ( frog) : -ga spam , charmga

2- corse : charmga + SMN bone pets + high resist to elemental magic.

3- soulflayer : evil ice spikes + fast cast tier III AoE spells , shell with high resist to magic attacks.

what i heard from not-trusted source and still need confirmation:

random mobs includes dragons , rams.

[Rai]

what i have confirmation on:

1- red porogoo ( frog) : -ga spam , charmga

2- corse : charmga + SMN bone pets + high resist to elemental magic.

3- soulflayer : evil ice spikes + fast cast tier III AoE spells , shell with high resist to magic attacks.

what i heard from not-trusted source and still need confirmation:

random mobs includes dragons , rams.

The soulflayer didn't have fast cast -ga III, never casted shell (but magic shield, which is not high resist but rather all magic has no effect). It never used Ice Spikes either even though technically it could.