-DeathHouse- dynamis (unique lotting system)

[Arkanna]

My Dynamis linkshell is proof that fledgling groups that attempt to be different that the typical shells CAN succeed. I run one of the top 3 Dynamis shells on Lakshmi, and it took time and a lot of effort to establish that position. My shell does not use a points system, and it was the first one I know of that allowed sponsorships for upgrading relic weapons. Granted, the economy is different than it was in November 2005 when we were developing our system, and modifications have been made over the course of time, but it still works.

I don't post here on BG much, but I've lurked for a long time. This forum is full of razor-sharp people that will cut your rules to ribbons while looking for flaws, if given the opportunity. You gave them the opportunity, now deal with the repercussions.

Like Vegetaa said, prove yourselves and your rules. You'll have to do that to have any credibility here. Until sufficient time has passed and you've accomplished some things, you're better off sticking to Alla to get your support.

[Tajin]

Until sufficient time has passed and you've accomplished some things, you're better off sticking to Alla to get your support.

oh so wrong, he will get a lot of support here. Hell i love this section, there is a lot of useful tips all over the place, the random question thread is pure gold. But you have to expect heat along with the tips.
He didnt came askign for advice anyway, he just posted an advertisement.

[vegetaa]

LegacyOfOld is indeed a good examples of how you build a successful Dynamis LS

[sleekmotorwurkz]

Somewhat related.... but may I interject a question here?

Our linkshell is 90% HNM people, and about 10% friends and random apps we picked up when attendance dropped for a while. We currently use the "Declare a main lot declare a sublot, and if you are out of your trial period (1 run for each zone)" then you can lot. Now in almost 2 years since this shell started, we have NEVER EVER seen a valor body. Other then that I think we have never seen melee crown, koga tekko, and we have 1 chapeau. We do have 4 armlets, we seem to get at least 1 brd every xarc, lots of pretty much every other drop. Recently It was decided we would give higher priority to certain members (long time members, people who have had the same lot for months and months and months just waiting on that drop that never comes, etc) on the drops we have yet to see in our 2 years experience. We made a small list of top lots on valor, koga, and duelists, and sorcerers. All hell broke loose and all the newer members were flipping out about it.

Long intro but the question is this.
Of course we want to be fair and give everyone a shot, but how can you justify giving an item like a chapeau or a valor body to a member who just barely has fulfilled his trial period over people who have been sitting as pld or rdm lot for almost 2 years and havent seen it drop once?

[layoneil]

how can you justify giving an item like a chapeau or a valor body to a member who just barely has fulfilled his trial period over people who have been sitting as pld or rdm lot for almost 2 years and havent seen it drop once?

you don't have to justify it if you don't let people like that get it. if people can't deal with that, show them the door.

[Amele]

people are freaking out because that's not the rules they joined under, and they're feeling (rightfully? perhaps.) shafted.

this is the disadvantage to a system that doesn't take seniority into account, no system is perfect etc etc.

I don't see an issue with changing the rules; however (and I realize it's possible that you're already handling it this way) - anyone who wants to leave as a result of those rules changing, should not under any circumstances have that held against them by your ls or it's members (at least as much as possible, we're all human.) in the future.

agreements (I hesitate to say contracts because joining a shell isn't exactly that.) are two way, and they have a right to opt out of participating gracefully if the terms they joined your group under have changed

[Arkanna]

Of course we want to be fair and give everyone a shot, but how can you justify giving an item like a chapeau or a valor body to a member who just barely has fulfilled his trial period over people who have been sitting as pld or rdm lot for almost 2 years and havent seen it drop once?

It's difficult.

I've avoided developing hard rules in my shell because hard rules = more turnover. Also, many FFXI players are adults with wives/husbands, children, and responsibilities. Instead, we've enforced a policy of "respect" in my shell that occasionally needs reinforced. Before you say "lolrespect", it's worked out relatively well for us in our borderline 2 years of existance. Of course, it doesn't ALWAYS work, and we do have minimum requirements in place for lotting eligibility.

My linkshell's co-creator developed his own idea to combat your situation, Sleek. He called it "Dream Item". We allow anybody that thinks they've got what it takes to request a "dream item" from the SH. If granted, that person is next to receive the item, period. We have very strict standards for who we allow to have a "dream item"; my personal standards are that a person must contribute to the linkshell in a fashion that meets or exceeds my own, both in effort and attendance. Being that I don't miss runs barely at all, and my effort is 100% constantly, that's a tough bar to meet.

Of course, that leaves room for people to argue bias. But, no system is perfect, and thus far we've avoided the Drama Torama pretty successfully, minus a few rare incidents.

[Amele]

We allow anybody that thinks they've got what it takes to request a "dream item" from the SH. If granted, that person is next to receive the item, period. We have very strict standards for who we allow to have a "dream item"; my personal standards are that a person must contribute to the linkshell in a fashion that meets or exceeds my own, both in effort and attendance. Being that I don't miss runs barely at all, and my effort is 100% constantly, that's a tough bar to meet.

I would like to subscribe to your newsletter.

[Nibe]

I would like to make my dream item the Dragoon Feet, ive wanted them since I started the game.

[Dammerung]

If you are going to use a bidding system, you need to set a high minumum bid in order to kill off people with high points. Also you need to let anyone bid that meets the minumum bid. Minimum job level is a given.

My shell gains 1 point per run (Xarc is 2 to boost attendance), normal AF lot is 5 points, minimum bid is 20. Sure people work together so they don't have to spend more than 20-30 on a bid (others have spent 60-65 like me because one guy hiked it up), but it does move the balance of points around; unless you have been in the shell since it started and hardly lotted anything you're probably floating around 20-50 points, so you can't get everything you want.

[goshtin]

lolbump
DH doing well all those who mighta thought we fadded back into obscurity should know
beat our first DL last night on our 3rd xarcabad run and 2nd DL attempt.
DH has been operating for about 6months now, but we are holding off on icelands because of the cost sadly.

anyway thanks for the advice that some of you gave, but lol for those who assumed we'd fail rigth off.

http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p...b/img_1874.jpg

http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p...b/img_1875.jpg

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<see you again>

[Zosi]

lolbump
DH doing well all those who mighta thought we fadded back into obscurity should know
beat our first DL last night on our 3rd xarcabad run and 2nd DL attempt.
DH has been operating for about 6months now, but we are holding off on icelands because of the cost sadly.

anyway thanks for the advice that some of you gave, but lol for those who assumed we'd fail rigth off.

(Pics of DL kill)

http://deathhouse.forumup.com
<see you again>

No, we really don't care. Take your necro bump and fuck off.

[Shuemue]

No, we really don't care. Take your necro bump and fuck off.

No shit, grats on doing something most people had done 2 fucking expansions ago.

[vegetaa]

Now I can finally sleep without wondering how you guys are doing in Dynamis.

Sometimes I wonder if some people play for the entertainment or just to have a community to talk to about their accomplishments.

[Septimus]

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y14...imus/Hello.jpg

No, we don't care, we never did care, and we never will care. In the infinite alternate universes that may exist in space-time, there does not exist a single one where we do care.

[Rocl]

I hate to abuse my power and post in a locked topic but for those who didn't see where that Shadow Ring went (and care):

http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p...b/img_1877.jpg