How does your LS do loot on KS99?

[fantasticdan]

If you used the word "confiscate" to describe taking the speed belt in game, I bet the player whos orb it was could get the item back from you via GM, lol.

Seriously thou, that's a pretty bullshit policy, and I can't imagine any new members actually wanting to use an orb under those rules, unless just to "force sell" it as you put it. Tons of shit could happen in six months; LS break, item holding player hacked(or pretends to be hacked and just sells your shit), gear stolen by fellow LS mates with account info, disputes causing either player to leave, either player jumping servers, etc. Most of the time something screwy happens within an LS, the player last holding an item or LS bank runs of with it one way or another.

And if someone was staying in your LS just because your holding their speed belt hostage, would you want that person in your LS at all? And on the other side, if your LS was "holding onto" your expensive items to prevent you from leaving, would you actually want to remain in the LS when you got your items back? The entire idea is completely pointless, unless you're the one intending to make off with someones belt.

[Genosync]

Seriously, if I joined your LS and did a KS99 run after like, two weeks, and I got a speed belt on my drops?

And you took it from me and wouldn't give it to me for like, idk, two months?

I'd fucking leave your LS the second I got it back from you, if a GM didn't give it back faster.

[Gippo]

agreed, thats totally retarded to blackmail ppl into hangin around , like a dog on a leash.

[BRP]

I think it makes sense really. The alternative is "you can't use your orb".

[Genosync]

I think it makes sense really. The alternative is "you can't use your orb".

the alternative is 'fuck you, we don't care about you, we only care about our members that have been around a long time, so we don't care about helping you since you're new, too bad, go cry about it'

And that makes people leave, and then you never get anyone new in your linkshell.

Seriously, giving something to someone that's kinda new to your LS, in most cases, promotes a sense of belonging to a group, or a team. And that makes them stay and makes them loyal. IN MOST CASES. Sometimes it doesn't, but the times it does really are more than not.

[Decimus]

lol who cares what you think. You would have to be a real dumbass to join a LS just to get a Speedbelt. Whole point of our KS99 is to:

1) generate gil for the member putting up an orb
2) get Black Belt item for MNK

No one is forcing members to put up an orb for KS99 Wyrm. In fact, members are better off doing KS99 Chlevnik for about a 50% chance at behemoth hide.

Yes you're right, newer members need to show me that they are with our LS to play and come to ALL LS events. We have rules like this to prevent guys from just logging in to come to events where only they can lot items.

If you are with a LS and want a Speedbelt after being with them just 2 weeks, really shows why you even play the game. Giving Speedbelt to a new member lol why don't we give Ridills and King Abj to new members too?

[Vertabreaker]

I can't honostly see a KS99 being run any other way then "your orb, your loot".

If it takes me however long to get 99 Kindred Seals, no one else but myself is getting what items come from that BC.

Running it any other way is just a way for others to reap the benefits of someone else's hard work.

[terraflarex]

If you are with a LS and want a Speedbelt after being with them just 2 weeks, really shows why you even play the game. Giving Speedbelt to a new member lol why don't we give Ridills and King Abj to new members too?

That comparison is not even valid...

While speed belt is a rather amazing item, the idea of not letting the orb holder have it or at least have a shot at it is pretty retarded, seeing as they are the ones with the orb and the ones who farmed the kindred seals for it. You can say that they need help from LS to kill the mobs in the ks99 battles, which is valid, but if you're going to just limit people on being able to lot speed belt should it drop, no one will want to use their orbs. If you don't trust someone enough to lot anything that may or may not drop from a ks99, then don't even let them use an orb. Or if the person is relatively new, just tell them that you would like them to be in LS longer before they may use a ks99 orb and receive LS assistance.

[Sidanoir]

Decimus I must say thats one of the stupidest policies I ever heard.....considering the amount of effort that goes into winning a KS99 (WHICH IS ALMOST ZERO)....I would say someone with 1 week in a LS that uses THEIR 99 Kindred Seals has earned anything that drops from it..its like fighting a king the hard part is the claim......the hard part of KS99 is getting 99 kindred seals <.<

Were these members not there for the other runs, helping out?

Forcing loyalty by withholding peoples items is pretty fucking stupid and I am surprised anyone stays in your linkshell, cause I am sure thats the tip of the iceberg with teh stupid shit you do....

Why not hold their hi reraiser for 6 months too? Give me a break

[Decimus]

Decimus I must say thats one of the stupidest policies I ever heard.....considering the amount of effort that goes into winning a KS99 (WHICH IS ALMOST ZERO)....I would say someone with 1 week in a LS that uses THEIR 99 Kindred Seals has earned anything that drops from it..its like fighting a king the hard part is the claim......the hard part of KS99 is getting 99 kindred seals <.<

Were these members not there for the other runs, helping out?

Forcing loyalty by withholding peoples items is pretty fucking stupid and I am surprised anyone stays in your linkshell, cause I am sure thats the tip of the iceberg with teh stupid shit you do....

Why not hold their hi reraiser for 6 months too? Give me a break

Do you even read what you type or just flame away like a retard everytime you read something you don't like?

You think a member who has been with a LS one week has helped out with enough KS99 orb or other LS related events to deserve a Speedbelt? You ask if these members were there to help out with other runs? If it's as easy as you say it is, they can go solo KS99 Wyrm or do it with a pickup group.

You ever do Dynamis Xarcabard? The LS you do it with let first timers lot RDM AF2 hats or BLM AF2 hats? Almost every LS on our server has some sort of point system to protect items that are rare by nature. We treat Speedbelt the same way.

How am I forcing loyalty? Every member who joins our LS is assumed to be loyal. If a newer member doesn't like our rules, the member does not have to put up an orb.

Our rules are designed to protect items and to reward active participation with LS events. To this day, we've had one member complain about our rule. This member was very inactive with our LS events and only has 75RDM. When he originally joined, he told me he could make all LS events (4 times a week). I kicked him off two months later.

We've gotten one Speedbelt out of 22 runs over a period of 3 months. We lucked out with our first one since it actually dropped for one of our main PLD/NIN on his orb.

Don't forget, there is an item called Swift Belt if a member wants haste for waist which we also help our members obtain.

[Vertabreaker]

Don't forget, there is an item called Swift Belt if a member wants haste for waist which we also help our members obtain.

Do you blackmail them with the pop item for that as well?

[layoneil]

you should do it like any other BC/KS. "your orb your loot" or "sell and split", though for Wyrm that would be rather difficult since most people doing it won't want to sell the Belt.

we used to do a "sell and split" system where the LS Fund will pay everyone X amount of gil per orb if the splits ended up really crappy. at the height of inflation i think one orb was worth like 5M minimum even if the split would've only gotten 3M (this was when Hides sold for 10M each on Bahamut). also under this system the LS would occasionally just take stuff and reward people (this was mostly before the RNG nerf and every RNG got free Kriegsbeils whether they had orbs or not).

[Nirokun!]

your orb your loot is the only fair division system imo

[Tajin]

How am I forcing loyalty? Every member who joins our LS is assumed to be loyal. If a newer member doesn't like our rules, the member does not have to put up an orb.

You all are flaming without realizing this. The only way i could think this was fucked up, is if i got into your LS and when is my turn to use the orb you mention this rule; instead of mentioning while gathering.

While not the best method, i think is fair. Also nobody -i hope- is forcing you to accept it.


P.S. i agree with Niro though :D

[Sidanoir]

Decimus I must say thats one of the stupidest policies I ever heard.....considering the amount of effort that goes into winning a KS99 (WHICH IS ALMOST ZERO)....I would say someone with 1 week in a LS that uses THEIR 99 Kindred Seals has earned anything that drops from it..its like fighting a king the hard part is the claim......the hard part of KS99 is getting 99 kindred seals <.<

Were these members not there for the other runs, helping out?

Forcing loyalty by withholding peoples items is pretty fucking stupid and I am surprised anyone stays in your linkshell, cause I am sure thats the tip of the iceberg with teh stupid shit you do....

Why not hold their hi reraiser for 6 months too? Give me a break

Do you even read what you type or just flame away like a retard everytime you read something you don't like?

You think a member who has been with a LS one week has helped out with enough KS99 orb or other LS related events to deserve a Speedbelt? You ask if these members were there to help out with other runs? If it's as easy as you say it is, they can go solo KS99 Wyrm or do it with a pickup group.

You ever do Dynamis Xarcabard? The LS you do it with let first timers lot RDM AF2 hats or BLM AF2 hats? Almost every LS on our server has some sort of point system to protect items that are rare by nature. We treat Speedbelt the same way.

How am I forcing loyalty? Every member who joins our LS is assumed to be loyal. If a newer member doesn't like our rules, the member does not have to put up an orb.

Our rules are designed to protect items and to reward active participation with LS events. To this day, we've had one member complain about our rule. This member was very inactive with our LS events and only has 75RDM. When he originally joined, he told me he could make all LS events (4 times a week). I kicked him off two months later.

We've gotten one Speedbelt out of 22 runs over a period of 3 months. We lucked out with our first one since it actually dropped for one of our main PLD/NIN on his orb.

Don't forget, there is an item called Swift Belt if a member wants haste for waist which we also help our members obtain.

Perhaps it is you that is incapable of reading, the fight is not challenging, getting the seals is the only battle....as I said...
Dynamis is vastly different than a KS99 fight in terms of effort and the fact that the burden lays on the linkshell as a whole to do dynamis....
No Linkshell can do Kindred Seal 99 without a member with 99 kindred seals...the burden is on the members to get the seals, unless you are going to tell me you have LS farm 99 KS events? Considering it takes most people a couple months to get 99KS.....if thats not "earning" the right to keep what drops on their orb I don't know what is..

How are you protecting items which are not rightfully yours? I can understand not letting a newb in the shell lot a Velocious Belt if your LS camped Arthro, but to not allow someone to keep an item that drops off of their seals is nonsensical at best.

How are you rewarding active participants? Your LS is the only one I have ever heard of treating KS99 the same way as other normal events like Salvage, Sky, Sea etc......Ks99 is a once in a few month type thing vs a daily or weekly event such as sky/salvage etc.

Just because someone is aware of his rules does not mean they have to make sense or are right which is my contention with it

[Septimus]

you should do it like any other BC/KS. "your orb your loot" or "sell and split", though for Wyrm that would be rather difficult since most people doing it won't want to sell the Belt.

we used to do a "sell and split" system where the LS Fund will pay everyone X amount of gil per orb if the splits ended up really crappy. at the height of inflation i think one orb was worth like 5M minimum even if the split would've only gotten 3M (this was when Hides sold for 10M each on Bahamut). also under this system the LS would occasionally just take stuff and reward people (this was mostly before the RNG nerf and every RNG got free Kriegsbeils whether they had orbs or not).

Oh, the good old days...

[Sidanoir]

you should do it like any other BC/KS. "your orb your loot" or "sell and split", though for Wyrm that would be rather difficult since most people doing it won't want to sell the Belt.

we used to do a "sell and split" system where the LS Fund will pay everyone X amount of gil per orb if the splits ended up really crappy. at the height of inflation i think one orb was worth like 5M minimum even if the split would've only gotten 3M (this was when Hides sold for 10M each on Bahamut). also under this system the LS would occasionally just take stuff and reward people (this was mostly before the RNG nerf and every RNG got free Kriegsbeils whether they had orbs or not).

Oh, the good old days...

We did the split thing a few times..but back then average Chelvnik orb was 5M <.< or more....
It was an admistrative headache for someone to do but we saw it as a fair way.....

Eventually though your orb your loot became the best and most convenient way to do it

[Septimus]

you should do it like any other BC/KS. "your orb your loot" or "sell and split", though for Wyrm that would be rather difficult since most people doing it won't want to sell the Belt.

we used to do a "sell and split" system where the LS Fund will pay everyone X amount of gil per orb if the splits ended up really crappy. at the height of inflation i think one orb was worth like 5M minimum even if the split would've only gotten 3M (this was when Hides sold for 10M each on Bahamut). also under this system the LS would occasionally just take stuff and reward people (this was mostly before the RNG nerf and every RNG got free Kriegsbeils whether they had orbs or not).

Oh, the good old days...

We did the split thing a few times..but back then average Chelvnik orb was 5M <.< or more....
It was an admistrative headache for someone to do but we saw it as a fair way.....

Eventually though your orb your loot became the best and most convenient way to do it

No, I mean the good old days when you could get a 5-10 million gil split from a KS99.

[terraflarex]

Too bad it only bought you like 1/10 of a hauby+1 at the time >.>

[tyraravenlocke]

We do.. orb holder picks one item, anything past that over X gil amount is sold and split, anything under x gil amount is free lot.

But.. its totally no longer worth all this administrative headache.. cause ffs.. it just doesn't split up like it used to.