Zeitgeist Movie

[Ziphor]

i don't know how to take this movie.. with a grain of salt or to let it seep in and instill some doubts.

[archibaldcrane]

I'm 35 minutes in, and I'm terribly intrigued. For those who haven't watched, the first 35 minutes at least are about the idea that Christianity is a Roman-propagated myth spawned from earlier stories involving traditional ancient sun and star worship. I know a fair amount about Christianity from my upbringing, and the argument presented is pretty damn compelling.

Oh, now here we go into the 9/11 conspiracy (37 minutes or so).

While I think people go overboard with the broad-based conspiracy, the...buildings dropping from the sky still...just...seems...fucking crazy. But enough of that, I've seen Loose Change too, and am not expecting much new here.

The attempt at "debunking" of Christianity's origins was very interesting.

[finale23]

Christianity is a Roman-propagated myth spawned from earlier stories involving traditional ancient sun and star worship.

fact. also, many the biblical stories were "plagiarized" from their earlier pagan counterparts, such as the story of noah's ark, heaven&hell, etc.

[MF Perm]

I'm 35 minutes in, and I'm terribly intrigued. For those who haven't watched, the first 35 minutes at least are about the idea that Christianity is a Roman-propagated myth spawned from earlier stories involving traditional ancient sun and star worship. I know a fair amount about Christianity from my upbringing, and the argument presented is pretty damn compelling.

Oh, now here we go into the 9/11 conspiracy (37 minutes or so).

While I think people go overboard with the broad-based conspiracy, the...buildings dropping from the sky still...just...seems...fucking crazy. But enough of that, I've seen Loose Change too, and am not expecting much new here.

The attempt at "debunking" of Christianity's origins was very interesting.

Yeah, that's what caught me. The entire basis of the movie is control through deception and manipulation - so every section plays into that.

The mindset I go into anything like this is, everyone has two things when telling their side of the story; an ego and an agenda. Essentially at it's core everyone thinks they're doing the "right" thing, even if they fib or embellish facts to strike people with a point and evoke emotion. Everyone does it on both sides, it's human nature.

This particular movie just lays out some compelling ideas and "research" that, for me personally, just makes me want to read into it and see what I come up with to pit it against that. The similarities of religious thought and astrology / astronomy was just amazing. I can't tell if it's just coincidence, or something that was so embedded into the human mind pre-civilization that it just unfolded that way.

The 9/11 stuff was interesting to say the least. But I'm on the fence, I just can't say what happened either way.

The rest about taxes and the federal reserve was also interesting. The part about how the federal reserve was created is all true, I remember learning about that. Some other stuff they laid out in that part was also really compelling and evoked emotions.

I think the main message either way is to always question, regardless of how convincing the story, news, events - whatever - are and is. Just don't be complacent and accept what you're told. That's what I got out of it anyways.

[Hollaback]

http://files.filefront.com/ZEITGEIST_-_ ... einfo.html

link to the movie, in case anyone wants to download it.

[Kuya]

I don't just want to belive everything it said, but alot of it made plenty of sense. I disgress, it would be better for me to look into everything they said before i belive anything with 100% certainty.

That movie made me incredibly angry and confused. Can anyone confirm what they just said about a North American Union? That caused a huge wtf from me, and i'm not about to buy that one inmediatly.

[MF Perm]

I don't just want to belive everything it said, but alot of it made plenty of sense. I disgress, it would be better for me to look into everything they said before i belive anything with 100% certainty.

That movie made me incredibly angry and confused. Can anyone confirm what they just said about a North American Union? That caused a huge wtf from me, and i'm not about to buy that one inmediatly.

I think guartz posted a couple of links a few posts above. I haven't checked them out yet, but they're both /gov I believe.

[Volken]

Christianity is a Roman-propagated myth spawned from earlier stories involving traditional ancient sun and star worship.

fact. also, many the biblical stories were "plagiarized" from their earlier pagan counterparts, such as the story of noah's ark, heaven&hell, etc.

One of christianities "things" is called free will. If there was definitive proof for the side for or against it, you wouldn't have much of a choice to believe in it or not.

[MF Perm]

Christianity is a Roman-propagated myth spawned from earlier stories involving traditional ancient sun and star worship.

fact. also, many the biblical stories were "plagiarized" from their earlier pagan counterparts, such as the story of noah's ark, heaven&hell, etc.

One of christianities "things" is called free will. If there was definitive proof for the side for or against it, you wouldn't have much of a choice to believe in it or not.

Free will still has consequence in Christianity, so it isn't true free will. If it were true, it would be believed as; as long as you are moral and good to others then you are "saved." Unfortunately ( for that religion ) this is not the case.

[dekamii]

I don't just want to belive everything it said, but alot of it made plenty of sense. I disgress, it would be better for me to look into everything they said before i belive anything with 100% certainty.

That movie made me incredibly angry and confused. Can anyone confirm what they just said about a North American Union? That caused a huge wtf from me, and i'm not about to buy that one inmediatly.

Not sure but I went to http://www.spp.gov, checked their myth vs. fact. Here is what I got out of it:

"Myth: The SPP is a movement to merge the United States, Mexico, and Canada into a North American Union and establish a common currency.

Fact: The cooperative efforts under the SPP, which can be found in detail at http://www.spp.gov, seek to make the United States, Canada and Mexico open to legitimate trade and closed to terrorism and crime. It does not change our courts or legislative processes and respects the sovereignty of the United States, Mexico, and Canada. The SPP in no way, shape or form considers the creation of a European Union-like structure or a common currency. The SPP does not attempt to modify our sovereignty or currency or change the American system of government designed by our Founding Fathers."

So...if this is true then I don't see any problems in the SPP (Security and Prosperity Partnership Of North America). But if they decide to change it around or doesn't follow their agenda then that's a different story.

[guartz]

I don't just want to belive everything it said, but alot of it made plenty of sense. I disgress, it would be better for me to look into everything they said before i belive anything with 100% certainty.

That movie made me incredibly angry and confused. Can anyone confirm what they just said about a North American Union? That caused a huge wtf from me, and i'm not about to buy that one inmediatly.

Not sure but I went to http://www.spp.gov, checked their myth vs. fact. Here is what I got out of it:

"Myth: The SPP is a movement to merge the United States, Mexico, and Canada into a North American Union and establish a common currency.

Fact: The cooperative efforts under the SPP, which can be found in detail at http://www.spp.gov, seek to make the United States, Canada and Mexico open to legitimate trade and closed to terrorism and crime. It does not change our courts or legislative processes and respects the sovereignty of the United States, Mexico, and Canada. The SPP in no way, shape or form considers the creation of a European Union-like structure or a common currency. The SPP does not attempt to modify our sovereignty or currency or change the American system of government designed by our Founding Fathers."

So...if this is true then I don't see any problems in the SPP (Security and Prosperity Partnership Of North America). But if they decide to change it around or doesn't follow their agenda then that's a different story.

ah yes, remember, 10 years ago the same people said that NAFTA wouldn't cause any job losses in America.

[guartz]

http://www.zmag.org

It's the who's who intelligentsia of American society. Elitist occult of three digit iqs, if you will.

With articles like 300: A Gay Porn Movie? tagged with authors like, "Michael Bronski is the author of Pulp Friction: Uncovering the Golden Age of Gay Male Pulps (St. Martin’s Press). " I will be sure to contact these people if I ever want to erect a tall and long skyscraper.

Yes, well, they gave the gay movement "pseudo-intellectuals" a voice. Being primarily a egalitarian oriented website. It was a movie review article, I'm kinda confused as why you choose THAT particular topic to dissect. Still, you'd be hard-pressed to find a more informative website regarding current events. Most of the articles come from top scholars(students) around the country, that is, the scholars who are not embedded into the government think-tanks. Incredibly the website is unbiased. They don't support one political party over another, think of it as a news site by professors for professors (Except its open to the public) They do have a libertarian agenda, however. This is because libertarianism is the "thing" now with most phds though. It's a very refined political philosophy, and highly favored over others within scholarly circles. (at least, at the top university levels)

If you want to pick fun of film reviews, Fox and Friends, dubbed that Passion of the Christ was a patriotic film.

[Devek]

It was supposed to be funny, you were supposed to laugh.

[guartz]

oh that makes more sense now. heh, I get it now.