Kirin tests on Merited PUP

[Watkins]

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BLU/THF actually doesn't suck though.

Yea, but some ppl will still quicly say that the other melee sucked if they couldnt out parse Blu at every turn on HNM no matter what you do, youll always have a hater or two, was my point.

That point doesn't make sense in this case though, because this isn't blind hating. PUP genuinely sucks, and if it's outparsing others then they might be gimp.


A side note, BG smilies are kinda badass, they remind me of The Incredible Machine.

[Ryko]

Honestly why doesnt EVERYONE shut the fuck up

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That comment was for the ppl telling the pup ppl to stfu... instead of arguing, if they want to shut the pup ppl up, then just post data.. tthats the fastest way to do it. If you can do better , just post it, and all will be clear.

The "Shut the fuck up" was in context of arguing that somehow kiting kirin is remotely as viable as stomping it where it stands, 2 hour or not. They're not even close to eachother in efficiency and killtime.

[Tajin]

Well, if you look at it as some linkshells take 40 minutes to kill Kirin the kiting way while others TP burn it and kill it 40 times faster...
then there must be some degree of suck with the 40 times slower thing.

What does it take to TP burn Kirin? (Honest question)

[Watkins]

That's a question for another thread really... but basically KC DRKS, WARs, BB MNKs, Bards etc.

[FinalJustice]

And in the long run still does less damage than: A samurai, a warrior, a monk, a thief, a ranger, a... you get it, right? Outdoing a summoner, easily one of the slowest possible damage dealers you can put on anything (but also the safest) when said summoner can only really outdo... itself. *Twirls finger*

And if a LS comes along that doenst have a ton of those listed jobs?? Why leave out the pup? Thats liek saying Leav eout the smn at kirin, a place where safety really isnt needed..

Yes, because I say so. You're seriously about to argue with me about what's more viable for more damage in either the short or the the long run? Are you kidding?

No, im arguing that not every damn LS out tehre has the jobs to TP burn Kirnin in 3 mins...
So because Vtra can be TP Kraken'd to death in like 3 mins does that make kiting Vtra outdated?? are you kidding??

[Watkins]

Vrtra is a little different, and it's kinda silly to compare. lol.

[Shuemue]

What does it take to TP burn Kirin? (Honest question)

Feint and Angon.

[Ryko]

And in the long run still does less damage than: A samurai, a warrior, a monk, a thief, a ranger, a... you get it, right? Outdoing a summoner, easily one of the slowest possible damage dealers you can put on anything (but also the safest) when said summoner can only really outdo... itself. *Twirls finger*

And if a LS comes along that doenst have a ton of those listed jobs?? Why leave out the pup? Thats liek saying Leav eout the smn at kirin, a place where safety really isnt needed..

Throw a stone in any direction and hit 8 of them just looking for a LS to give them something to do? Last I checked melee DD's aren't exactly a needle in a haystack.

[quote:499bb]Yes, because I say so. You're seriously about to argue with me about what's more viable for more damage in either the short or the the long run? Are you kidding?

No, im arguing that not every damn LS out tehre has the jobs to TP burn Kirnin in 3 mins...
So because Vtra can be TP Kraken'd to death in like 3 mins does that make kiting Vtra outdated?? are you kidding??[/quote:499bb]

Did you just read the "shut the fuck up" part in that parentheses then ignore everything else? Serious question.

(and seriously shut the fuck up if you're going to argue against this, I'm not even counting 90 second-3 minute zerg fests and yes I know it's a total aside)

Meaning straight up, fight it, no 2 hours, no zerging, just beat it down standing where it is. Youll still kill it faster than if you're running it around the whole time.

[FinalJustice]

Vrtra is a little different, and it's kinda silly to compare. lol.

Sure they can

They both feature accomplishments the "majority" of players cant do... because not every LS has an army of the required jobs to do it. And tahts not always about skill. Either your LS has those jobs or it doesnt..

[Tajin]

No, im arguing that not every damn LS out there has the jobs to TP burn Kirnin in 3 mins...

Well im not arguing, but come on!, give it a number on what does it take to TP Burn Kirin. (say 3 BRDS, 2 KCDRK, 1BBMNK, etc, etc)

Edit:

NVM i got side tracked in the quotefest

Meaning straight up, fight it, no 2 hours, no zerging, just beat it down standing where it is. Youll still kill it faster than if you're running it around the whole time.

Yeah this approach is definitely faster and doable, if you have decent support.

[Rocl]

I mean seriously does anyone care if I lock this retardation now?
I don't want to be the nazi mod in this equation.

[Ddong]

And in the long run still does less damage than: A samurai, a warrior, a monk, a thief, a ranger, a... you get it, right? Outdoing a summoner, easily one of the slowest possible damage dealers you can put on anything (but also the safest) when said summoner can only really outdo... itself. *Twirls finger*

And if a LS comes along that doenst have a ton of those listed jobs?? Why leave out the pup? Thats liek saying Leav eout the smn at kirin, a place where safety really isnt needed..

Yes, because I say so. You're seriously about to argue with me about what's more viable for more damage in either the short or the the long run? Are you kidding?

No, im arguing that not every damn LS out tehre has the jobs to TP burn Kirnin in 3 mins...
So because Vtra can be TP Kraken'd to death in like 3 mins does that make kiting Vtra outdated?? are you kidding??

You can TP burn Kirin (well I'm more referring to straight tanking) with less than 18 actually, so jobs shouldn't really be an issue if your ls can get to Kirin. You won't kill it in 3mins but it works well enough to kill faster than kiting. You don't even need an overload of jobs. Just need 1 tank party, 1BRD that is willing to swap PTs, some melees, and some mages that know when to help cure.

So yea, kiting Kirin is an outdated strat. Especially with improvements that were made over the years.

[Crosis]

Throw a stone in any direction and hit 8 of them just looking for a LS to give them something to do? Last I checked melee DD's aren't exactly a needle in a haystack.

That's true, but then again I'd say half or more are pretty gimp. Obviously if they are looking for a LS they probably won't have Sky/Hnm/Limbus gear.

[FinalJustice]

Throw a stone in any direction and hit 8 of them just looking for a LS to give them something to do? Last I checked melee DD's aren't exactly a needle in a haystack.

Pfft not THAt depends on what server youre on, and the quality of the players present. Good ones CAN be a needle in a haystack on none over populated Servers. Or else youve never trie dto lead a hnm shell... getting the right jobs isnt always as easy as you think it is on some servers... just because someone IS a war doesnt mean you want them..

Did you just read the "shut the fuck up" part in that parentheses then ignore everything else? Serious question.

Nope

Meaning straight up, fight it, no 2 hours, no zerging, just beat it down standing where it is. Youll still kill it faster than if you're running it around the whole time.

Did i say it wasnt Possible? Or Viable?? No I didnt.. I said if a LS kites Kirin instead tehres nothing wrong with that.. what part of not every LS has the jobs AND gear to do that dont you get?

[Ryko]

Or else youve never trie dto lead a hnm shell...

[Ddong]

Throw a stone in any direction and hit 8 of them just looking for a LS to give them something to do? Last I checked melee DD's aren't exactly a needle in a haystack.

Pfft not THAt depends on what server youre on, and the quality of the players present. Good ones CAN be a needle in a haystack on none over populated Servers. Or else youve never trie dto lead a hnm shell... getting the right jobs isnt always as easy as you think it is on some servers... just because someone IS a war doesnt mean you want them..

Did you just read the "shut the fuck up" part in that parentheses then ignore everything else? Serious question.

Nope

[quote:9269e]
Meaning straight up, fight it, no 2 hours, no zerging, just beat it down standing where it is. Youll still kill it faster than if you're running it around the whole time.

Did i say it wasnt Possible? Or Viable?? No I didnt.. I said if a LS kites Kirin instead tehres nothing wrong with that.. what part of not every LS has the jobs AND gear to do that dont you get?[/quote:9269e]


If you have the ability to get to Kirin, then your LS does have the job to not kite it. You don't even need top of line gear either, so that should not be an issue.

[Tajin]

Damn, now im laughing

[Rocl]

Nail in the coffin.
Don't remember what posessed me to leave this in Advanced, but cleary it wasn't the right course of action and now it has to come to this.

This thread can only go downhill to a point that I don't think anyone wants it to go.