Allakhazam gets an interview with SE

[Riel]

My job here is done :D

[FinalJustice]

To say ppl dont deserve to have max merits when they want JUST to drag out a tedious process, JUST for fear they may or may not have much to do after is moot imo. A time sink is a time sink. But to wonder whats left for them, is up to each individual, and not for anyone else tow worry about.

As i said, people is more concerned about numbers and not in actually having fun. Im wondering in the sense of building a point. i dont give a shit about people (especially when they dont want to have fun playing a game)

You fail to realize that YOU and everyone else do not share the same definition of "fun". It was "fun" the first 2 MAYBE 3 times i did it.... then fun again when ToAU brought new mobs and new zones to fight through, but ive done that same thing 6 times now, and to "me" it becomes less fun the more i do the same exact routine. If i wasnt having some fun with the game i wouldnt be playing still after all this time. But i wont pretend liek every aspect of this game is "OMG ORGASMIC bliss". Shit.. in just about every rpg to date offline or on, exp "grinding" is some of the least fun things to in the game. To me it just becomes a "means" to get a certain job to where i want it to be, so i can then have the fun i want. Some ppl enjoy exping, and hate endgame. Some people hate exping and enjoy endgame. Some ppl feel a large amount of exp in a short time frame by beating the shit out of stuff IS fun. Some ppl do not wish to go slow when they know they CAN go faster. To them that is fun.

There is no ONE way to have fun in this game. But to act like Exping in ffxi is anything but a time sink is ridiculous. Just because someone doesn't feel like taking their sweet time with a repeated tedious action, on the same mobs through the same zones 7 times, does not mean they are not trying to have fun. To them being worried about big numbers and maximizing their time IS fun, so they can get through things they feel are a cghore to get to doing the things they really want to do with the job. The key is not always expecting everyone to enjoy the same exact thing, and dealing with it.

[Lordender]

AV = this years goblin drink mystery at fanfest ;x

lolwut?

AV can't be more than one update younger than Goblin Drink.

they will reveal how to beat it like they revealed how to make a goblin drink ;x

[Septimus]

Agreed, for people like you, its completely understandable the 20k thing, it just seems to me that most people wants 20k/hr regardless of them having 1 or 2 jobs only (Sure, in Soviet Vanadiel, everyone should be able to get 20k in a DRKx3, BST, SMN party but thats a whole different issue and this is not soviet vanadiel).

It just seems people wants to see the merits roll, without having fun. Whoever is meriting without having fun, should stop playing . or go raise a chocobo

On the other hand, i can get xp no problem in LS parties (omg as WHM and getting 10k+ O.o), i was just sayin' :D

Why does a person's number of jobs leveled alter the value of their time? I have one job, but that doesn't mean my time is worth less than Septimus' (not picking on you, just using as an example). If I have the option to pt for 10k/hr or 20k/hr, should I pick the 10k/hr pt because I only have one job leveled, and therefore mysteriously don't need to maximize my time investment? Time is incredibly finite, and you can't blame anyone for wanting to get the most out of the time they have.

My time is more important- the more time I spend meriting means less time writing front page news updates.

But seriously, I have linkshell events at least 5 nights a week. I'm not saying that my time is more precious than anyone else's, but I have less time to work with, so I have to make it count.

[Izzy]

._. That was just an example. It's not just PLD, it's every job aside from NIN, MNK, WAR, BRD, RDM. >_> We've already gone over this at the beginning of the thread, or one of these E3 threads.

I went WHM/NIN to a merit party and we pulled 25k/hr. I pretty much decked myself out in +haste gear (quite easy to cap haste on WHM) and accuracy gear, which is easy to come by (parsed 92.3% accuracy). I parsed 5% below the WAR. Granted he didn't have adaberk/ridill/etc. but that's still pretty damn good for being a WHM.

WHM BRD BRD THF WAR WAR.

If ANY job is willing to make the compromises, they can easily get 25k an hour. (Wasn't really a compromise for me, I love WHM/NIN Q_Q.)

[Plow]

Just a thought, what I'm getting from the question about relic for new jobs is basically "Hey, the original jobs ran around with just af1 for a couple years before they got af2, any new jobs will have to do the same."

I highly doubt they're going to release the af2 for cor/pup/blu at same time as they release ones for new jobs in the expansion, unless they don't release any of it for another 1-2 years or more.

[fussel]

But also, from a time-value point of view, the more time you put into something, the more that time is worth. That's why a naked character with 18 75s will sell for more than a naked character with 1 75. Therefore, a person with 18 75s time is worth more than a person with 1 75.

This is just stupid.

Person A has one dollar, person B has 18 dollars. Therefore, B's cents are worth more than A's cents?

[Credos]

But also, from a time-value point of view, the more time you put into something, the more that time is worth. That's why a naked character with 18 75s will sell for more than a naked character with 1 75. Therefore, a person with 18 75s time is worth more than a person with 1 75.

This is just stupid.

Person A has one dollar, person B has 18 dollars. Therefore, B's cents are worth more than A's cents?

Are you serious?

[fussel]

But also, from a time-value point of view, the more time you put into something, the more that time is worth. That's why a naked character with 18 75s will sell for more than a naked character with 1 75. Therefore, a person with 18 75s time is worth more than a person with 1 75.

This is just stupid.

Person A has one dollar, person B has 18 dollars. Therefore, B's cents are worth more than A's cents?

Are you serious?

No doubt, 18 dollars are worth more than 1 dollar, but each single cent is worth the same. So, why the heck should a fixed time interval (e.g. meriting one hour) of a person with 18 level 75 jobs be worth more than that of somebody with only one job at 75?

/edit: This is in regards to the "I got more jobs, so my time is more valuable, so I MUST have this camp to get 20k/h". Ok, now you can argue that you're getting more exp/h so in a given interval, you actually create more value than somebody else. But this would imply, that you get the same amount of exp on any job.

[Khamsin]

But also, from a time-value point of view, the more time you put into something, the more that time is worth. That's why a naked character with 18 75s will sell for more than a naked character with 1 75. Therefore, a person with 18 75s time is worth more than a person with 1 75.

This is just stupid.

Person A has one dollar, person B has 18 dollars. Therefore, B's cents are worth more than A's cents?

Are you serious?

No doubt, 18 dollars are worth more than 1 dollar, but each single cent is worth the same. So, why the heck should a fixed time interval (e.g. meriting one hour) of a person with 18 level 75 jobs be worth more than that of somebody with only one job at 75?

/edit: This is in regards to the "I got more jobs, so my time is more valuable, so I MUST have this camp to get 20k/h". Ok, now you can argue that you're getting more exp/h so in a given interval, you actually create more value than somebody else. But this would imply, that you get the same amount of exp on any job.

Another way to look at it is like this:

Two people, A and B, live in separate parts of the country. A lives in an unincorporated area of Tennessee while B lives in downtown New York. They both make $50,000 a year. A is living an easy life in a nice house while B is barely getting by in an apartment. Why is that?

Or, since analogies are so fun:

Imagine two brothers who both get about $10 a day in allowance from their dad, Father Time. Brother A just sits around all day and doesn't do much except for chat with people online, read books, listen to music and watch TV. As such, he just uses his $10 to help out with the cable bill and buy new CDs and books from time to time. Brother B hangs out with friends, is on the local little league team, has a girlfriend and a bike to ride. He spends his $10 fixing up his bike, going out to eat or to a movie with friends, buying gifts for his girlfriend, etc. while still pitching in for the cable bill, his own phone line, and buying new CDs and books from time to time.

Brother B's $10 are getting stretched pretty thin, and as such he has to save up every penny and set priorities on how he spends his allowance, because he can't afford to do everything at once. By managing his finances, he accomplishes his goals over an extended period of time. Brother A often has a lot of money left over, and so just splurges on collector edition books and CDs and ordering out since he has nothing better to spend it on.

Whose money is more valuable to them, in either scenario?

[layoneil]

Another way to look at it is like this:

Two people, A and B, live in separate parts of the country. A lives in an unincorporated area of Tennessee while B lives in downtown New York. They both make $50,000 a year. A is living an easy life in a nice house while B is barely getting by in an apartment. Why is that?

Or, since analogies are so fun:

Imagine two brothers who both get about $10 a day in allowance from their dad, Father Time. Brother A just sits around all day and doesn't do much except for chat with people online, read books, listen to music and watch TV. As such, he just uses his $10 to help out with the cable bill and buy new CDs and books from time to time. Brother B hangs out with friends, is on the local little league team, has a girlfriend and a bike to ride. He spends his $10 fixing up his bike, going out to eat or to a movie with friends, buying gifts for his girlfriend, etc. while still pitching in for the cable bill, his own phone line, and buying new CDs and books from time to time.

Brother B's $10 are getting stretched pretty thin, and as such he has to save up every penny and set priorities on how he spends his allowance, because he can't afford to do everything at once. By managing his finances, he accomplishes his goals over an extended period of time. Brother A often has a lot of money left over, and so just splurges on collector edition books and CDs and ordering out since he has nothing better to spend it on.

Whose money is more valuable to them, in either scenario?

your analogies are missing a whole lot of stuff and your question is irrelevant for the issue at hand.

let me fill out the gaps.

for the first scenario, they have the same exact job, they work from home and they produce the same results for the company. now you are the boss and you have 20k for bonuses this year between the two of them. do you give one person more than the other?

for the second scenario, you are the father, you got a huge raise, you're going to raise your son's allowances, do you raise them both equally or do you raise one more than the other?

also i find it interesting that you stress how Brother B is somehow "managing his finances" but Brother A isn't. you imply that someone who buys books to read at home is mismanaging their finances but buying gifts for his girlfriend isn't. going out to eat is "managing his finances" but ordering take-out isn't.

[Hapernack]

Brother A is a gamer. Brother B has a life.

That's what I got out of that.

[Khamsin]

Two people, A and B, live in separate parts of the country. A lives in an unincorporated area of Tennessee while B lives in downtown New York. They both make $50,000 a year. A is living an easy life in a nice house while B is barely getting by in an apartment. Why is that?

for the first scenario, they have the same exact job, they work from home and they produce the same results for the company. now you are the boss and you have 20k for bonuses this year between the two of them. do you give one person more than the other?

Excellent example, only add this detail in. One of the workers has put 18 years of service into the company and has developed many skills, the other is in his first year and isn't quite as skilled. Do you give one person more than the other?

also i find it interesting that you stress how Brother B is somehow "managing his finances" but Brother A isn't. you imply that someone who buys books to read at home is mismanaging their finances but buying gifts for his girlfriend isn't. going out to eat is "managing his finances" but ordering take-out isn't.

I wasn't saying that Brother A was mismanaging his finances, only that to buy everything Brother A wants, he doesn't have to save up. He can afford to splurge and gets by just fine, and is not left wanting anything. Brother B wants/needs more than what his allowance can buy him, therefore he has to save up, set priorities and pick what he wants now and what he'll have to get later. Loosely, he's the guy with 18 jobs and needs to merit them all, but the length of the earth day isn't getting any longer.

[layoneil]

Excellent example, only add this detail in. One of the workers has put 18 years of service into the company and has developed many skills, the other is in his first year and isn't quite as skilled. Do you give one person more than the other?

your detail fails.

if two people have the same job and same pay and produce the same results, it's irrelevant that one of them has developed many skills, since obviously these skills have no relevance on their current job and position. a WAR/NIN with a Lv75 RDM isn't dispelling mobs the same exact way a single job WAR/NIN with a Lv 1 RDM isn't dispelling mobs.

the 18 years of service also fails because there's no way to attribute that to a single company. he might have worked 18 years but he didn't do it all for the same people. you're trying to make the server as a whole care about what you did for the server, that's ridiculous. in a microcosm, within an LS it may matter but that's not what people are talking about.

I wasn't saying that Brother A was mismanaging his finances, only that to buy everything Brother A wants, he doesn't have to save up. He can afford to splurge and gets by just fine, and is not left wanting anything. Brother B wants/needs more than what his allowance can buy him, therefore he has to save up, set priorities and pick what he wants now and what he'll have to get later. Loosely, he's the guy with 18 jobs and needs to merit them all, but the length of the earth day isn't getting any longer.

wanting more doesn't equate to getting more unless you put in the extra work. the guy with 18 jobs should've considered that he should be meriting instead of leveling his 10th, 11th, 12th jobs, etc. if he chose to level new jobs instead, than he chose that meriting is not high priority. expecting other people to cater to you simply because your priority changed makes no sense.