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    Re: FFXIclopedia interview with Development Team at E3

    Quote Originally Posted by Sagacious Sundi
    BLU probably doesn't seem "groundbreaking" because it's a DD, and well... Count how much "DDs" there are. Throw BLM, BST, SMN, and PUP in there, too.
    I done a 2475 dmg cannonball to cerberus on 2hr name any other job that can output that kinda dmg in 1 shot ;x

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    Re: FFXIclopedia interview with Development Team at E3

    Situation: I am in BG, and I have both BRD and COR leveled. You need a support job in your merit PT or in your alliance, which would you prefer me to bring?
    BRD, then look for a COR to fill out the rest of the party (or vice-versa). If it's just between a COR and a BRD with equal relative amounts of merits/gear/skill, I'd probably go with BRD, mostly because COR has nothing that compares to Elegy. If it's between a COR and a 4th DD, I can almost guarantee that a good COR will be contributing more with their damage, Figher's Roll/Corsair's/Rogue's/Evoker's Roll, and Quick Draws.

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    Re: FFXIclopedia interview with Development Team at E3

    Quote Originally Posted by Kylen
    Situation: I am in BG, and I have both BRD and COR leveled. You need a support job in your merit PT or in your alliance, which would you prefer me to bring?
    BRD, then look for a COR to fill out the rest of the party (or vice-versa). If it's just between a COR and a BRD with equal relative amounts of merits/gear/skill, I'd probably go with BRD, mostly because COR has nothing that compares to Elegy. If it's between a COR and a 4th DD, I can almost guarantee that a good COR will be contributing more with their damage, Figher's Roll/Corsair's/Rogue's/Evoker's Roll, and Quick Draws.
    COR can Earth Shot elegy or Slow II. It takes more coordination in the party but it compares to elegy quite well (especially if there's a brd somewhere in the alliance already.)

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    Re: FFXIclopedia interview with Development Team at E3

    Quote Originally Posted by Intense
    Situation: I am in BG, and I have both BRD and COR leveled. You need a support job in your merit PT or in your alliance, which would you prefer me to bring?
    Most people prefer BRDs in merit parties yes, but as far as an event alliance- it would depend on what event is happening, the amount of other bards, the amount of other corsairs, how well geared your bard and corsair are in comparison to other bards and corsairs, your merits, so on and so forth.

    ohay i just said what maxx said but in a much longer sentence thing

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    Re: FFXIclopedia interview with Development Team at E3

    Quote Originally Posted by Lordender
    Quote Originally Posted by Sagacious Sundi
    BLU probably doesn't seem "groundbreaking" because it's a DD, and well... Count how much "DDs" there are. Throw BLM, BST, SMN, and PUP in there, too.
    I done a 2475 dmg cannonball to cerberus on 2hr name any other job that can output that kinda dmg in 1 shot ;x
    on cerb specifically, i can't say since I roll with damage filtered. in general?

    smn, and ranger easy. and I wouldn't be surprised to hear there's other jobs that can do it too.

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    Re: FFXIclopedia interview with Development Team at E3

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocl
    Quote Originally Posted by Intense
    Situation: I am in BG, and I have both BRD and COR leveled. You need a support job in your merit PT or in your alliance, which would you prefer me to bring?
    Most people prefer BRDs in merit parties yes, but as far as an event alliance- it would depend on what event is happening, the amount of other bards, the amount of other corsairs, how well geared your bard and corsair are in comparison to other bards and corsairs, your merits, so on and so forth.

    ohay i just said what maxx said but in a much longer sentence thing
    I agree, it depends on what you're doing.

    For example, Salvage. Having that roll that adds subtle blow +1908123891. Wow, chariots doing maybe one TP move or two throughout an entire hundred fists is pretty impressive.

    It just depends on how you use the jobs that makes them good or bad.

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    Re: FFXIclopedia interview with Development Team at E3

    Quote Originally Posted by kuronosan
    Quote Originally Posted by Sagacious Sundi
    BLU probably doesn't seem "groundbreaking" because it's a DD, and well... Count how much "DDs" there are. Throw BLM, BST, SMN, and PUP in there, too.
    I'd say a job that doesn't need TP to open or close weaponskills and do just as much damage is pretty damn groundbreaking as a DD.

    Name another job that can do 1400+ damage, close/open light/darkness, and place the hate on a tank all at the same time.

    Edit: Edits gone wrong. Make sure that job you name can do it without TP.
    I never said I don't think BLU is a good/groundbreaking job, just that it might not seem as good to some people.

    EDIT:
    Quote Originally Posted by Izzy
    It just depends on how you use the jobs that makes them good or bad.
    So true.

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    Re: FFXIclopedia interview with Development Team at E3

    Sorry, I should have clarified - my last post was in reference to COR in merit parties, not endgame events.

    For endgame events, it's pretty simple.

    BRD > COR for tank or melee party buffs

    COR > BRD for mage party buffs, unless the BRD has Gjallarhorn.

    COR can Earth Shot elegy or Slow II. It takes more coordination in the party but it compares to elegy quite well (especially if there's a brd somewhere in the alliance already.)
    Earth Shot does nothing for Elegy, sadly ;;. It's been tested, and the only debuffs that Quick Draw works on are RDM/WHM/BLM spells. BLU spells and BRD songs are unaffacted.

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    Re: FFXIclopedia interview with Development Team at E3

    Granted I haven't read through the rest of this thread, but this need to die right here:

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragir
    Quote Originally Posted by TanakaorSundiorKoichiorGaniman
    Also by doing that, it will seperate the PS2 version from the PC version. We don't want to seperate them that much.
    Quote Originally Posted by Snowknight26
    Rewriting FFXI from DX8 to DX9? I like.. (unless they just mean't the windower, then not so much.)
    DROP SUPPORT FOR THE PS2.
    Move directly to a DirectX 10 platform. I don't care how much work is involved when 50% of your playerbase has spent almost $1000 on your game by the time it's finished.
    Noone should still be using a PS2 to play FFXI or anything else by 2008. Noone. It was once said that FFXI's graphics engine "sucks," to which it can be said: "What engine?"
    Fuck DX10.

    Yes, you heard me say it. I wouldn't upgrade to Vista just to play FFXI if they went strictly to DX10.

    It's a legitimate argument for the developers to be moving away from the PS2 or to be developing separate compilations for the PC in order to enhance it in regards to new technology. It's not a legitimate argument to push in a direction so exclusive that you a.) risk alienating your playerbase further than what you originally can perceive consequentially, and b.) risk igniting an MS flamewar.

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    Re: FFXIclopedia interview with Development Team at E3

    Quote Originally Posted by Leroy
    Quote Originally Posted by Kylen
    As for COR, maybe the ones you've partied with have been bad, but it definitely is a top-tier merit party job. Their melee buffs aren't quite as potent as BRD's, but COR shouldn't be seen as a replacement for BRD, they should be partying alongside them. RDM + BRD + COR + 3 DD party is better than a RDM + BRD + 4 DD party, and I'd also argue that a RDM + 2 BRD + COR + 2 DD party would be better than a RDM + 2 BRD + 3 DD party.
    I watched my fiance's BRD party in a RDM/WHM, BRD/NIN, BRD/NIN, COR/WAR, WAR/NIN, WAR/NIN at the collibri camp. The buffs of a COR aren't as strong as a BRD's, but they stack nicely with a BRD's, and seeing a COR consistently hit Slugshots in the 2k area was kinda sweet.
    Well for the bold text... that kind a depends on the number rolled really. XI's are higher then bard buffs if i recall. And with the Merit cat 2's you can get XIs way easier now. Lucky numbers should be "almost" the same i think. I think one advantage of bard, especially in your party setup was that with 2 brds they were able to double stack the same song.

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    Re: FFXIclopedia interview with Development Team at E3

    Quote Originally Posted by Amele
    Quote Originally Posted by Lordender
    Quote Originally Posted by Sagacious Sundi
    BLU probably doesn't seem "groundbreaking" because it's a DD, and well... Count how much "DDs" there are. Throw BLM, BST, SMN, and PUP in there, too.
    I done a 2475 dmg cannonball to cerberus on 2hr name any other job that can output that kinda dmg in 1 shot ;x
    on cerb specifically, i can't say since I roll with damage filtered. in general?

    smn, and ranger easy. and I wouldn't be surprised to hear there's other jobs that can do it too.
    A lucky BLM.

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    Re: FFXIclopedia interview with Development Team at E3

    Well to me both BRD and COR have their merits, since I've played both pretty dam well and for quite some time I can say that COR is more offensive than a BRD is in terms of buffing and fighting. While yes BRD has double marches, minuets and madrigal in terms of offensive Buffs CORs have BRDs beats

    Crit+
    Magic atk+
    Atk+
    Double atk+
    ect ect.

    The thing about CORs and BRDs is that when playing a COR you aren't just a "buffer" you're a DD and a buffer, you have to play COR offensively rather than passively, which BRDs are very known to do though their passive ability to enhance party mechanics.

    Now that people ask if they would rather take a BRD or COR? I rather take both, double BRD parties are great but a good COR and a good BRD just do as good if not better in the same xp party/area. The only downfall, if that, is that COR's buff's aren't consistent, however played right a COR is an asset in a merit party and end game party member.

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    Re: FFXIclopedia interview with Development Team at E3

    Quote Originally Posted by Zarath
    Now that people ask if they would rather take a BRD or COR? I rather take both, double BRD parties are great but a good COR and a good BRD just do as good if not better in the same xp party/area. The only downfall, if that, is that COR's buff's aren't consistent, however played right a COR is an asset in a merit party and end game party member.
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    Re: FFXIclopedia interview with Development Team at E3

    Quote Originally Posted by Intense
    Quote Originally Posted by Zarath
    Now that people ask if they would rather take a BRD or COR? I rather take both, double BRD parties are great but a good COR and a good BRD just do as good if not better in the same xp party/area. The only downfall, if that, is that COR's buff's aren't consistent, however played right a COR is an asset in a merit party and end game party member.
    Hey! This is my game, make up secret options!!
    All I have to say is...

    up up down down left right left right select start

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    Re: FFXIclopedia interview with Development Team at E3

    COR also can give buffs that usually are only on hard to get equipment that people tend to wear if they can. a BRD can't increase DA, can't increase CRIT, can't increase MAB, can't increase MACC, ect.

    BLU has brought the ability to do many things at once and do them decently well, Nukes are lol at times but can be good, can mainheal very well, prob best from 30-40, can blood tank, and even /nin tank well, and be able to push out good DMG as a DD. Problem is 95% of the BLU community are inbread, not many Shokox or LE's out there >.>

    PUP... No Commet.

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    Re: FFXIclopedia interview with Development Team at E3

    I meant to say you cant make up secret options..

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    Re: FFXIclopedia interview with Development Team at E3

    I know

    Why I used the good old Konami (I think... it's been a while lol) code to unlock secret options!

    I would have prolly used something like MK2 or something since it really does open up secret options but I'm too lazy to look it up right now...

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    Re: FFXIclopedia interview with Development Team at E3

    Quote Originally Posted by baudelaire
    Bringing back traditional parties and making them attractive would be pretty easy for SE to do.

    Simply make a mob that is resistant to single WS's or SC's without MB's and ridiculously weak to MB's. Make it possible to kill them with regular melee and WS/SC, but impossible to keep a chain going that way. If the EXP from chaining that type of mob is greater than the exp you'd get from your standard bird camp, you've got a winner. Perhaps people would begin to pay more attention to things like nin elemental debuffs and how they affect SC dmg potential and MB resistance.

    Moreover, an HQ version of that type of mob would be fun for relic holders to play with, doing double-light SC's and whatnot.
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    Re: FFXIclopedia interview with Development Team at E3

    Quote Originally Posted by trencher
    Quote Originally Posted by baudelaire
    Bringing back traditional parties and making them attractive would be pretty easy for SE to do.

    Simply make a mob that is resistant to single WS's or SC's without MB's and ridiculously weak to MB's. Make it possible to kill them with regular melee and WS/SC, but impossible to keep a chain going that way. If the EXP from chaining that type of mob is greater than the exp you'd get from your standard bird camp, you've got a winner. Perhaps people would begin to pay more attention to things like nin elemental debuffs and how they affect SC dmg potential and MB resistance.

    Moreover, an HQ version of that type of mob would be fun for relic holders to play with, doing double-light SC's and whatnot.
    hi2u Quibs @ Dvuccu Staging point. Nothing beats a 2.5k Kasha followed by a 5k Light.
    Qutrubs are a good start but need an exp mod for having blm in pt thats mbing for it to work decent otherwise the killspeed won't justify too much.

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    Re: FFXIclopedia interview with Development Team at E3

    Quote Originally Posted by Lordender
    Quote Originally Posted by Sagacious Sundi
    BLU probably doesn't seem "groundbreaking" because it's a DD, and well... Count how much "DDs" there are. Throw BLM, BST, SMN, and PUP in there, too.
    I done a 2475 dmg cannonball to cerberus on 2hr name any other job that can output that kinda dmg in 1 shot ;x
    I see this comment and I read: "With completely optimal gear and circumstances, including my two-hour and BRD songs, my BLU can do 2,500 damage."

    Well, with the same level of gear, BRD songs, and *my* two-hour, I can do between 8,000 and 10,000. What's your point?

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