Fishing With Live Dogs....

[Skyylya]

Of course you're perfectly free to have your own perspective, but it doesn't mean your perspective can't be wrong.

Just because you personally have some vendetta against people who don't share your opinion on the value of people they do not know doesn't mean that same person would chose one animal's life over one million human lives.

Vendetta against people who don't share your opinion on the value of people? Explain to me in your next post how a psychologist/therapist would diagnosis someone as being a sociopath. My value on human worth is pretty broad and worldly. Just because someone says they believe something, doesn't mean that actually believe it? We're on the internet in case you forgot.

While not a licensed psychologist or psychiatrist I do have a degree in psychology and would tell you that they would define someone with a desire to harm people or themselves as a sociopath/psychopath, and not necessarily someone who doesn't care what happens to those around them. Also, you could ask 10 different psych's and get 10 different reactions/diagnosis. A lot of diagnosis is based on their perspective as well. I am very good friends with my psych professors who know how I feel and they hold me in very high regard as a friend, not as a sociopath.

And the bolded part, spoken like a true catholic, or is it christian? A person's perspective isnt' wrong, only how they might transfer that perspective into actions. That's the problem with people, everyone thinks that their views are the right way to do things and don't even leave the door open for someone else to have a perfectly legitimate method of living their life. Everyone feels the need to fix everyone else if they subscribe to a different religion or perspective on life. You don't see me bashing you for your views, all I ask is that same respect in return. And you dont' even have to like someone to have a mutual respect.

[Izzy]

When it comes down to it, answer this question:

If you have two buttons in front of you,

Button 1: Kills a dog, quick, painlessly, no suffering to the animal whatsoever.
Button 2: Launches 3 Nuclear missiles toward 3 major cities anywhere in the world. Death toll in the millions. Millions suffer afterwards from radiation and die a slow painful death.

You have to pick one button.

If you honest to god pick button 2, you are a failure to humans and should honestly check yourself into some kind of institution to protect the rest of us.

[miokomioko]

What would Tyler Durden do?

[Skyylya]

When it comes down to it, answer this question:

If you have two buttons in front of you,

Button 1: Kills a dog, quick, painlessly, no suffering to the animal whatsoever.
Button 2: Launches 3 Nuclear missiles toward 3 major cities anywhere in the world. Death toll in the millions. Millions suffer afterwards from radiation and die a slow painful death.

You have to pick one button.

If you honest to god pick button 2, you are a failure to humans and should honestly check yourself into some kind of institution to protect the rest of us.

That's a completely different situation, apples to the orange that is this thread. Nobody here is talking about themselves physically choosing to kill something or someone, at least i'm not.

And that example is crap anyway, at least make the options of the same death, either everyone painful or everyone peaceful instead of stacking the options in favor of your perspective.

[Shuemue]

When it comes down to it, answer this question:

If you have two buttons in front of you,

Button 1: Kills a dog, quick, painlessly, no suffering to the animal whatsoever.
Button 2: Launches 3 Nuclear missiles toward 3 major cities anywhere in the world. Death toll in the millions. Millions suffer afterwards from radiation and die a slow painful death.

You have to pick one button.

If you honest to god pick button 2, you are a failure to humans and should honestly check yourself into some kind of institution to protect the rest of us.

That's a completely different situation, apples to the orange that is this thread. Nobody here is talking about themselves physically choosing to kill something or someone, at least i'm not.

And that example is crap anyway, at least make the options of the same death, either everyone painful or everyone peaceful instead of stacking the options in favor of your perspective.

So you'd instantly and painlessly kill a million humans and save the dog?

[Kuya]

Where you are in the globe does not change where you come from, this is sickening. I'd rather see a million dead people than one dead dog.

or a million people with fish hooks through their face to make it more pertinant to the OP picture.

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My nation has been proudly hating the French for over a thousand years thanks.

Mel Gibson and Joan of Arc have taught us that the English pretty much hate anything that doesn't let them rape them.

[Volken]

And the bolded part, spoken like a true catholic, or is it christian? A person's perspective isnt' wrong, only how they might transfer that perspective into actions. That's the problem with people, everyone thinks that their views are the right way to do things and don't even leave the door open for someone else to have a perfectly legitimate method of living their life. Everyone feels the need to fix everyone else if they subscribe to a different religion or perspective on life. You don't see me bashing you for your views, all I ask is that same respect in return. And you dont' even have to like someone to have a mutual respect.

You lose for pulling the religion card. Your degree in psychology is a worthless piece of paper if you can't even admit that there's healthy and unhealthy perspectives to have, how did you pass your classes?

[Izzy]

That's a completely different situation, apples to the orange that is this thread. Nobody here is talking about themselves physically choosing to kill something or someone, at least i'm not.

Where you are in the globe does not change where you come from, this is sickening. I'd rather see a million dead people than one dead dog.

gj

Fine, same death, shoot a nuke at a dog standing in the middle of the desert.
Shoot a nuke at 3 million people standing in the middle of the desert.

You'd still pick to save the dog?

[Tyche]

If I were put in a situation where if I don't shoot someone they would kill my dog, I'd pop that punk ass in the face.

[Kuya]

It's not like any of us are going to make Skyyla see why his type of thinking is wrong, we are on the internet after all. He's just gonna brush it off as "The majority is deluded" and simply go on with his way of thinking. To me he's just another example on how society currently fails. You know something is wrong when a human being values the life of a dog more than his own species.

Not to mention, his kind of thinking is pretty dangerous.

[miokomioko]

lol @ trying to explain why someone's "perspective" or "type of thinking" is "wrong." You guys are sounding like a bunch of jackasses.

[Metah]

lol @ trying to explain why someone's "perspective" or "type of thinking" is "wrong." You guys are sounding like a bunch of jackasses.

Hi, welcome to BG

[guartz]

In regards to the derailed discussion, it is something similar that I learned in ethics class awhile back.

It essentially said that human brains are hardwired to feel empathy towards people or creatures who are in essence within proximity (or perceived to be within proximity)

Let's say you give somebody an opportunity to kill a alien some galaxies away in exchange for self profit, most people would do it.

The same offer to kill your neighbor would be largely refused.

There was a similar thought experiment done awhile back (centuries ago) by some philosopher I can't recall, except it was done using a Chinese man as an example in stead of an alien.

Anybody know what I'm talking about? I'd kinda like to reread this stuff.

Edit: I should be more specific with the conclusion of the experiment., since I don't remember the exact wording of the thought experiment. Essentially it was determined, if given a choice between harming a creature a human was related too (and I use the term related very loosely) or a creature that a human was not related too, the human would prefer the latter. Even though say, both creatures were equally sentient.

The reason this study was relevant, because it coincided with some study regarding tribe mentality with humans.

[Tyche]

http://www.larrynevers.com/4mug%20small.jpg

vs

http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/1365/hunter1uv1.jpg

Id kill the coke addict. Not every human life is created equal. Id have to make a judgement call for each scenario, even though, this whole debate is absolutely absurd, when would anyone be put in a position to choose dog or human >.>

[Kuya]

LOL

edit: does this "new" argument count as a derail? if so, god damn, what is this like the 5th one now?

edit: alright mioko, lets not call it wrong, but doesn't it raise red flags when someone's perspective involves prefering to see 1million humans dead than a single dog? I can at least say it's a dangerous perspective to have.

[Volken]

lol @ trying to explain why someone's "perspective" or "type of thinking" is "wrong." You guys are sounding like a bunch of jackasses.

Hi, welcome to BG

I think perspectives that lead people to act out criminally are wrong. Guess I'm a jackass \:D/

[Kuya]

lol @ trying to explain why someone's "perspective" or "type of thinking" is "wrong." You guys are sounding like a bunch of jackasses.

Hi, welcome to BG

I think perspectives that lead people to act out criminally are wrong. Guess I'm a jackass \:D/

But he never sead he wanted to kill people...

[Metah]

lol @ trying to explain why someone's "perspective" or "type of thinking" is "wrong." You guys are sounding like a bunch of jackasses.

Hi, welcome to BG

I think perspectives that lead people to act out criminally are wrong. Guess I'm a jackass \:D/

http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l5...mbie/BEARD.jpg

[Volken]

lol @ trying to explain why someone's "perspective" or "type of thinking" is "wrong." You guys are sounding like a bunch of jackasses.

Hi, welcome to BG

I think perspectives that lead people to act out criminally are wrong. Guess I'm a jackass \:D/

But he never sead he wanted to kill people...

I know, just a broad statement on the slight derail.

Edit: why should I care about calling something that's dangerous wrong mr metah

[Skyylya]

I've got a lot to catch up with since I went on my lunch break.

Shuemue: again i've never said I would rather kill a million people than save a dog. i said I could care less about a million people in the world that die, there's a huge difference between me doing something personally and me feeling bad because a bunch of people that I don't know and who never affected me in anyway aren't around anymore. Or more specifically I said i'd rather see a million dead people than one dead dog. I happen to like dogs, I can't think of one negative quality that dogs have that wasn't bred by humans. They are unconditionally faithful and unquestioningly happy just to be in the presence of the person who looks after them. Tell me one person in this world as pleasant as that.

Kuya: You put a quote of mine next to someone elses, not sure if you're trying to pass it off as me contradicting myself, but I never said anything about my nation hating french people or anything about french people at all.

Volken: I don't lose for pulling the religion card because believe it or not religion is a huge factor when it comes to peoples perspectives on life. I would guess that you are a religious person, perhaps not devout but that it's something that's somewhat important to you. I'm sure that play's a role in how you view humans and place value on their lives. Whereas I'm not the least bit religious and could careless about any spiritual repercussions of my views on this matter. i pass my classes because my classes are scientific in nature and I approach things objectively and with an open mind. I'm not rejecting your point of view simply because it differs from my own. I accept that you view things differently than I do and allow you to see things however you see fit in regards to how you live your life. My psychology degree is a worthless piece of paper, the what I learned while studying psychology and my personal experiences in regards to that are not worthless nor is how i apply the concepts that i've learned to my way of life. The difference between me and a psychopath is that while I may not care about people I have no desire to harm people. There is a difference between me pulling the trigger and not caring if someone 5 thousand miles away does. You might see it as a semantic debate or a shallow perspective, I merely see it as caring about things that in some way have an effect on my life. People are way to stressed about things they have absolutely no control over. I simply choose not to feel any stress over things out of my sphere of influence.

Izzy: Again i refer to the fact that I am in no way saying anything about me physically harming anyone. merely the fact that If i there were a situation where a million people were dead, I would care less than If i saw a picture of a dead dog. Show me a picture of a million dead people and then ask yourself who killed them. People right? Show me a picture of a dead dog and then ask yourself who probably killed it. Most likely a person. See the connection?

I don't have a scary perspective on life, just a different one. That doesn't make me dangerous.