LBC Strategy recap

[Arthars]

i was kidding ^^

[Seditedi]

Alright, I spent a lot of time reading about Bhaflau in this thread and the other thread, but I didn't really see an answer to my question. To weaken Homing Missile you have to kill a majority of the Archaic Gears. When we go up to 4th floor, we kill the first 5; then, we get to the room with the Archaic Chariot. In this room is several "Archaic Gears," which do not share the same traits as the others(depop upon link/aggro), the ones named "Archaic Gear." Do you not need to kill these? Do you need to get to the other side and kill more Gears? How do you get past the Chariot/Gears? Do you have to have someone sack pull them back or something?

We've gotten 7 and 8 which appeared to be decreased dmg homing missiles but same hate reset as normal before and 9 and 10 gears also, 9 gears was about 50% HP dmg on the main target and partial hate reset on main target, and like 25% HP dmg on everyone else with no hate reset on others. 10/10 gives like 200 damage Homing Missiles with 0 hate reset on anyone.

There are rooms of 3 gears then 2 gears on the south side of the chariot room and past the chariot room is another room of 2 gears and another room of 3 gears. It is possible to sneak through that room if you hug the walls and the gears are in right position, but due to time we just prefer to have someone sac it all to one side of the room then RR up and just wait until we port up after killing the last 5 gears. Last week we had 11 and our RNG sac'ed this room. He RRed and waited and was unweak by the time we got to LBC.

[Jhun]

If you want a successfulll LBC run (+1-2 Rampart farming) go with 2-3 melee and 3 BLMs as DDs.

Get all your stuff from 1st floor (abilities/weapons/SJ/HP/MP) and some equipments, remind you that it's better to equip your tank PT and give your BLMs weapon and maybe head/hands if you're running short on time.

Skip Floor 2 unless you want VIT/STR/MND stats, skip Floor3 unless you're short on Magic.

Now for the hard part, have a RNG or /RGN tell your puller how the Archaic Gears are positioned so the puller can pull them without agro or link, going 10/10 on gears is 100% LBC win, sack the triple gears and pull AC away and kill it (a JP member of my group says killing AC reduced LBC's DEF by 20%), move to the next 5 gears and repeat.

Before porting to LBC floor, let your WHM buff the 2 PTs you have, use Mana/Body boost and then port to LBC.

Close your eyes for 5-7mins, do your job perfectly, open your treasure and pray for good drops! nerfed LBC is easier than NQ Behemoth.

[Pasquale]

Divisor my group is MNK/NIN x2 WHMx2 RDMx3 BLMx2 BRD WAR

[Hapernack]

Divisor my group is MNK/NIN x2 WHMx2 RDMx3 BLMx2 BRD WAR

Then how the heck are you losing??

[Acturus]

a JP member of my group says killing AC reduced LBC's DEF by 20%

Has this been confirmed? I've not heard this before.

[divisortheory]

a JP member of my group says killing AC reduced LBC's DEF by 20%

Has this been confirmed? I've not heard this before.

I've heard it before, but it was way back when Salvage first came out. At the time, there were also theories about the Archaic Gear, but once they were dismissed then theories about the chariot were dismissed alongside. It might be worth re-investigating, but only as a novelty since it wouldn't be a huge help to the fight. Attack-20% or Double Attack-20% might be a big help though.

[Neosutra]

a JP member of my group says killing AC reduced LBC's DEF by 20%

Has this been confirmed? I've not heard this before.

I've heard it before, but it was way back when Salvage first came out. At the time, there were also theories about the Archaic Gear, but once they were dismissed then theories about the chariot were dismissed alongside. It might be worth re-investigating, but only as a novelty since it wouldn't be a huge help to the fight. Attack-20% or Double Attack-20% might be a big help though.

I dont know if it would even be worth it honestly. Toss in an extra 5 minutes to kill the chariot, just to make the boss die 5 min faster >.>.. IF it actualy works in the first place.

[Seditedi]

Divisor my group is MNK/NIN x2 WHMx2 RDMx3 BLMx2 BRD WAR

Then how the heck are you losing??

lol... if we had MNKs in our group would be 5x easier, we use WAR/NIN NIN/WAR RNG/w/e for DD/tanking on the chariot lol.

[divisortheory]

I dont know if it would even be worth it honestly. Toss in an extra 5 minutes to kill the chariot, just to make the boss die 5 min faster >.>.. IF it actualy works in the first place.

Well, maybe for the groups that are still having trouble

[Arthars]

i didnt believed it at first

but today my grp wanna kill it and we killed all 10 gears too

killed LBC in 8 mins with war mnk rdm brd blu blm

we had to do LBC cos i screwed up at 3F....
i disservement 1 of the triple gear and it dot to death from 15% -_-

didnt managed to kill 2nd gears on time cos thf aggroed other gear and mpked BLM who was sitting behind ; ;

i think its defence down, dont know how many % but surely huge difference from what i see from the MNK and WAR's WSs

[Sulfurus]

I dont know if it would even be worth it honestly. Toss in an extra 5 minutes to kill the chariot, just to make the boss die 5 min faster >.>.. IF it actualy works in the first place.

Well, maybe for the groups that are still having trouble

It would probably help a lot if you screw a pull on the Gears and don't kill all 10.

[Zilong]

Suddenly this thread turn into food supremacy...

My static tank LBC fine with sushi for food, don't spread your bullshit fanaticism on meat being the fucking supreme food for LBC tanking.

It all fucking depends on the song/gear setup of the tank and the whole strategy, choose whichever food you want as long as it's not melon pie or something equally retarded.

And if the problem is that his tanks aren't generating enough hate, then more damage might help.

I can argue that sushi = ACC = more counters, but I'm sure other have different idea on why their food of choice is better than mine.

[Kaylia]

I've heard it before, but it was way back when Salvage first came out. At the time, there were also theories about the Archaic Gear, but once they were dismissed then theories about the chariot were dismissed alongside. It might be worth re-investigating, but only as a novelty since it wouldn't be a huge help to the fight. Attack-20% or Double Attack-20% might be a big help though.

The other day on our bardless run, we fucked up gears pulling (I dc'd and someone thought it was a good idea to pull with magic ) and were left with 35min left. I decided to pull the chariot, since the half nerfed homing is useless. I can't say if anything changed, but it did seem weaker. However, we had a different setup than usual, so that might be why.

[Pasquale]

Ok guys this time everything was ok... found the mistakes... more time farming on 1st floor and MNK used some thingto get more hate at start ... everything was ok but.. when took the LBC to 30% it started use Homing missile... we wiped at 24% .. i think we must weak that move but i think we will be able to kill 10/10 gear with 4 Blms in our group.... im scared just for 1 thing... the time.. i spent about 40 minutes clearing first floor ( i think is alot) than about 20/25 minutes farming 2nd floor than skipp 3th and 4th floor today we gone to lbc with 30 minutes left and when LBC was on 30% the message 10 minutes left appear so is about 70% in 20 minutes...... How much time u think is needed on 4th floor to kill all gear? and also how can i spent less time farming on 1st and 2nd floor? ( sorry if i do a lot of question ><)

[Zilong]

Ok guys this time everything was ok... found the mistakes... more time farming on 1st floor and MNK used some thingto get more hate at start ... everything was ok but.. when took the LBC to 30% it started use Homing missile... we wiped at 24% .. i think we must weak that move but i think we will be able to kill 10/10 gear with 4 Blms in our group.... im scared just for 1 thing... the time.. i spent about 40 minutes clearing first floor ( i think is alot) than about 20/25 minutes farming 2nd floor than skipp 3th and 4th floor today we gone to lbc with 30 minutes left and when LBC was on 30% the message 10 minutes left appear so is about 70% in 20 minutes...... How much time u think is needed on 4th floor to kill all gear? and also how can i spent less time farming on 1st and 2nd floor? ( sorry if i do a lot of question ><)

What's your setup?

We consistently bring unweakened LBC down from 100 > 0 in like 10-15 min depending on whether or not he decide to homing missile on the last 20%, using only MNK + NIN + 1-2 BLM as the only source of damage. When there is 2 BLM, they alternate stun, while on 1 BLM, he/she focuses on stunning and only nuke after a WS or when we give signal to take LBC down.

The key to LBC is really the stability of the fight, for you to take 20 minutes to just take down 70% with 4 BLMs must mean that stability is nonexistent...

[Hapernack]

First floor takes 25-30 min for us, Second is around 15-20, with third being 10 minutes tops. I'm not sure if we just get lucky or something but gears take us around 25 min to kill each time to ensure we get 10/10 (if we want rampart that is). This leaves us at least 15 min for a weakened LBC which is np at all.

[Pasquale]

Not with 4 Blms .. our set today was BLM x 2 MNK/NINx2 RDMx3 WHM BRD + DRK and WAR ... and saw now .. 15 minutes to took him to 30% cuz we waste 5 minutes wating the rdm come back from dc and buff up btw i see that we are slow on kill wamourasm on 1st floor maybe cuz i do a wrong cell order in the first chest... i usually give first weapon to a MNK 2nd a WAR with kraken club Opacus for MNK if 2 opacus 1 MNK and 1 the war.. praecipitatio RDM if 2 RDM + WHM all other equip cells to the MNK and also the duplicatus cell to the MNk... something wrong in this order?

[Lhexh]

If you have BLM x 2 MNK/NINx2 RDMx3 WHM BRD + DRK and WAR

Give the Weapons to the WAR+DRK first, make them useful since MNKs do good damage already. Give first magic to a RDM who can handle all the healing needed on first floor and second magic to the BRD, no point giving one to another healer when one is more than enough on first floor. Giving the Opacus to both MNKs first is best, it gives them both counerstance so they get in even more damage while tanking.

But for the love of god, why is a WAR using a kraken club there? If he doesn't have subjob ( which according to your drop order he wont ) then he's using ONLY a Kraken Club on 1F which is complete garbage compared to using an Axe or even GAxe ( which is quite good on weak salvage mobs ).

[Pasquale]

the war naked with the kraken did 50-60 dmg each hit for that