LBC Strategy recap

[Odog]

mojo, we are doing LBC again tonight. I'll get ya some more info after tonight. I have never paid much attention to my gear (besides jupiters staff) for stunning LBC

The times We have used more than about 6 stuns almost all of them were resisted while the first ones landed easily. I'm starting to doubt what I said a little but tonight I am going to use more stun and let you know the resuslts tonight. If my theory is correct, i'll get to about 6-8 stuns with no resists and then have trouble landing there there after.

If you are right i'll make gear changes and continue to land near all of my stuns.

edit: I have nashira feet, nashira legs for some added magic acc. I have never used before though because I was under the assumption 4-8 stuns land even if naked then he goes into Khimera stun resist mode.

[Mojo]

I could still most certainly be wrong, I just don't believe its really been put to the test in the way it should be. Out of curiousity I went and looked up all of the dark magic skill/magic accuracy gear for BLM(Within reason).

+15 dark magic skill - AF1 legs
+10 dark magic skill - AF2 hands
+7 dark magic skill - Dark Torque
+5 dark magic skill - Nashira Manteel
+5 dark magic skill - Merciful Cape
+4 dark magic skill - Igqira Huaraches
+3 dark magic skill - Dark Earring

+5 magic accuracy - Nashira Manteel
+5 magic accuracy - Nashira Turban

That gives you a total of +49 dark magic skill and +10 magic accuracy, putting you at 318+10. You could also throw in an Abyssal Earring, but I think many people switched that for Suppa. It doesn't seem that farfetched either, most BLM want many of those items for other reasons. You can pick up the other things(Dark Torque, Earring, etc.) from the AH for pretty cheap, although Igqira Huaraches might be hard to come by because nobody crafts them.

In any case, I don't see relying on stunning HM as a very good plan. Having a BLM on standby to Stun HM just in case it used it while it was flipping would be nice, but I'm not even sure how useful that could be now since everybody is just going to kill the gears anyways.

[Odog]

In any case, I don't see relying on stunning HM as a very good plan. Having a BLM on standby to Stun HM just in case it used it while it was flipping would be nice, but I'm not even sure how useful that could be now since everybody is just going to kill the gears anyways.

ok this is why it is useful^^

Today we went in needing LBC usukane legs to complete a piece. We went in mad bomber was up. We farmed mad bomber the entire life to get as many gate widows as we could (today 5). One of them dropped Marduk legs yay. At this point we finnish cell farming the stuff we need and hit the gear floor with about 20mins left. We dont have time to kill the gears to nerf HM at this time.

LBC fight (9 man)
5 homing missles across the whole fight were attempted to be used by him. I stunned them all. Hate always on the mnks and quite honsetly one of the easiest chariots there is when you never let a HM land.

btw i chickened out on the stunning alot to see if he would build resist on me like he did before lol

also, After the blm designated HM camper uses his stun, he has 30sec to go all out nukes until his stun recast timer is up. This is our slight variation on the normal mnk tp burn/tank setup so many do. Obviously, this fight can be done a million ways but I am a firm believer in keeping HM in check and not wasting the 10-15min to kill the gears to do it.

[Seditedi]

311 dark magic >.> and Jupiter's Staff and resists are pretty common after stun is used a few times. LBC definitely has a high resistance to stun.

[Sidanoir]

311 dark magic >.> and Jupiter's Staff and resists are pretty common after stun is used a few times. LBC definitely has a high resistance to stun.

Yes he does...
Our very first stun has been resisted on him before....he reminds me of Kirin sort of although a far less severe resist percentage

[Ayn]

If you're centering your LBC strategy around relying on stunning Homing Missile, you need to seriously re-evaluate how you approach the chariot.

I'm also going to go with him building resistance to stun, since I tried to tell the same to my BLMs, and they had similar complaints: They could get a few stuns in early on in the fight, but by the end he resisted it alot.

[Stromgarde]

We're planning on either popping the rampart or positioning such that it never happens of course, but it never hurts to have contingencies. In particular, if the Assassin's Drink permits a CS stun, that's quite a bit of the 25 > 0 stretch that we'll be able to breathe easier.

[threevo]

do most people weaken LBC when they kill it? i hear it mentioned alot, but we spend more time farming on floor 1/2 then then just go and kill LBC... We havent weakened it yet out of 5 kills i think

[Ayn]

Most people just deal with Homing Missile. It can be devastating, but if you're smart it won't cost you a fight.

Weakening seems to be a nice byproduct of shooting for the 4th floor Rampart.

[divisortheory]

do most people weaken LBC when they kill it? i hear it mentioned alot, but we spend more time farming on floor 1/2 then then just go and kill LBC... We havent weakened it yet out of 5 kills i think

Why are you spending so much time farming on floor 1/2 when it isn't really necessary? If you aim to weaken it, you can also get Freya's Jerkin and Enlil's Brayettes at the same time, which certainly seems like a much more efficient use of time than getting a bunch of cells that end up getting tossed.

[aurik]

Farming....level 35 drops?

[Odog]

If you're centering your LBC strategy around relying on stunning Homing Missile, you need to seriously re-evaluate how you approach the chariot.

This statement is like saying "If you center your Cerberus strategy around stunning Gates of Hades, you need to seriously re-evaluate how u approach the HNM."

Homing missile, like GoH IS stunnable reliably the first 6-8 times and should be a great deal of the way you try to neutralize his biggest threat. Could you beat Cerberus or Khimera without using stun for their big moves? sure you could. Would you want to? Hell no. Stun Homing missile! If you are having issues with the blm in your group stunning it, it is because he is not a good stunner. NEVER waste stun on anything but HM, so that it will land when u need it most.

[Odog]

do most people weaken LBC when they kill it? i hear it mentioned alot, but we spend more time farming on floor 1/2 then then just go and kill LBC... We havent weakened it yet out of 5 kills i think

Why are you spending so much time farming on floor 1/2 when it isn't really necessary? If you aim to weaken it, you can also get Freya's Jerkin and Enlil's Brayettes at the same time, which certainly seems like a much more efficient use of time than getting a bunch of cells that end up getting tossed.

We stay on floor 1 40mins (when Mad bomber is up). 15mins on floor 2 and then we are ready for LBC.

[Ambir]

do most people weaken LBC when they kill it? i hear it mentioned alot, but we spend more time farming on floor 1/2 then then just go and kill LBC... We havent weakened it yet out of 5 kills i think

Why are you spending so much time farming on floor 1/2 when it isn't really necessary? If you aim to weaken it, you can also get Freya's Jerkin and Enlil's Brayettes at the same time, which certainly seems like a much more efficient use of time than getting a bunch of cells that end up getting tossed.

Because floors 1-2 have all the cells?

[threevo]

we only farm what we need from bhaflau which is (was since we got 2) usukane feet, most LBC drops, Macha cuffs (which we done with). I dont think any1 has freya body picked out as main or secondary so we dont usually bother unless we want a card or to go for peryton

[Odog]

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good drops tonight. got 4 nm's out of lolbees and 2 dropped

[sarlazzar]

We are doing a salvage ls, and is seriously struggling against this mob, tried tanking kiting both, but the mob just dont seems to take much damage. ppl been talking about this mob like kinda easy, but we never took it down pass 88% ; ;, and my fully geared and full vit pld was taking 300+ damage per normal hit when shadow is down. we are obviously doing something wrong, or missing something. I heard about killing gears on floor 4 nerfs HM, but HM was not really our main problem, what i would like this know is, does killing the gears on floor 4 weakens its defence? or lower its max hp? or is there something else that need to be done to nerf this mob?

What we have been doing is farm cells on floor 1 and 2, then skip half of 3 and do nothing on 4, go to boss, normal setup is 2 mnk/nin 1-2 pld/nin 2 rdm/whm 2 blm/whm, 1 brd and some random DD. mnk/nin dies really fast, if I get hit for 300+ on normal hit as fully geared pld and with full vit, I suppose the mnks will be hit for over 500 per normal hit ; ; and it is hard to keep shadows up with its tp move keeps wiping out all shadows and then have a constant attack thats rather fast.

Please help us out if you see something we doing obviously wrong ; ;

[Zilong]

We are doing a salvage ls, and is seriously struggling against this mob, tried tanking kiting both, but the mob just dont seems to take much damage. ppl been talking about this mob like kinda easy, but we never took it down pass 88% ; ;, and my fully geared and full vit pld was taking 300+ damage per normal hit when shadow is down. we are obviously doing something wrong, or missing something. I heard about killing gears on floor 4 nerfs HM, but HM was not really our main problem, what i would like this know is, does killing the gears on floor 4 weakens its defence? or lower its max hp? or is there something else that need to be done to nerf this mob?

What we have been doing is farm cells on floor 1 and 2, then skip half of 3 and do nothing on 4, go to boss, normal setup is 2 mnk/nin 1-2 pld/nin 2 rdm/whm 2 blm/whm, 1 brd and some random DD. mnk/nin dies really fast, if I get hit for 300+ on normal hit as fully geared pld and with full vit, I suppose the mnks will be hit for over 500 per normal hit ; ; and it is hard to keep shadows up with its tp move keeps wiping out all shadows and then have a constant attack thats rather fast.

Please help us out if you see something we doing obviously wrong ; ;

MNK usually get hit 300-400s normal 500+ critical on LBC, the saving grace is that Counterstance can really extend the MNK's life by virtue of counter during the shadowless period, and the fact that you can land both elegy and slow on LBC without much issue, assuming your BRD and debuffer doesn't sucks total ass.

Bloodtanking isn't a good idea unless you can reach the good defense threshold, which is around ~420 base or something, but even on that threshold, criticals will still hurts like hell.

So basically, unless you have a high defense tank available, it's better to just blink it, and minimize the amount of TP it gets so your shadow can last longer than 10 seconds.

If you're dying at 88%, you really need to get your act together, because LBC is a fucking joke at that point.

He will start turning at ~70% for homing missile, and at ~25-30% he will gain high TP regen along with the basic AI, turning him into a killing machine if you didn't kill the 10 gears on the 4th floor.

[Hapernack]

We are doing a salvage ls, and is seriously struggling against this mob, tried tanking kiting both, but the mob just dont seems to take much damage. ppl been talking about this mob like kinda easy, but we never took it down pass 88% ; ;, and my fully geared and full vit pld was taking 300+ damage per normal hit when shadow is down. we are obviously doing something wrong, or missing something. I heard about killing gears on floor 4 nerfs HM, but HM was not really our main problem, what i would like this know is, does killing the gears on floor 4 weakens its defence? or lower its max hp? or is there something else that need to be done to nerf this mob?

What we have been doing is farm cells on floor 1 and 2, then skip half of 3 and do nothing on 4, go to boss, normal setup is 2 mnk/nin 1-2 pld/nin 2 rdm/whm 2 blm/whm, 1 brd and some random DD. mnk/nin dies really fast, if I get hit for 300+ on normal hit as fully geared pld and with full vit, I suppose the mnks will be hit for over 500 per normal hit ; ; and it is hard to keep shadows up with its tp move keeps wiping out all shadows and then have a constant attack thats rather fast.

Please help us out if you see something we doing obviously wrong ; ;

Your setup looks more than fine to take down LBC. Your strategy is fine. If you're losing at 88% or earlier... I seriously don't really know what to tell you.

[threevo]

we cheat with aegis pld lol. have tried /war with him as solo tank when our other pld didnt mention he had no Magic cell till we ported up lolz... but usually he just /nins.

Last kill was with 11 as:

PLD
PLD
WHM
WHM
BRD
RDM

BLU
BLM
BLM
BLM
SAM/RNG

we usually do it with 12, but out normal brd d/c and we had to have or usual rng change to brd -.-, took a lot longer to kill