Ares Body for PLD

[Deimos]

This idea is copyrighted to Merona, but just carry extra gear that can raise your max HP by about 200, preferably all in neck/ears/rings/back/waist where it won't make you blink. Swap in gear, Cure III yourself, swap out gear. Repeat whenever you don't have something else to do. If you're doing this, the extra MP an Ares Cuirass will give you should be worth a lot more hate over the course of a fight than the Enmity+2-4 on another body piece.

Edit: Bagel already hinted at it while I was posting.

[Kazen]

This idea is copyrighted to Merona, but just carry extra gear that can raise your max HP by about 200, preferably all in neck/ears/rings/back/waist where it won't make you blink. Swap in gear, Cure III yourself, swap out gear. Repeat whenever you don't have something else to do. If you're doing this, the extra MP an Ares Cuirass will give you should be worth a lot more hate over the course of a fight than the Enmity+2-4 on another body piece.

Edit: Bagel already hinted at it while I was posting.

I doubt it was "copyrighted", people have been doing that for a long time

[Blackice]

Copyrighted...

[fantasticdan]

I remember VIT being a modifier of Jump, doesn't increase a DRG's interest in this piece at least for macros? (Or is the modifier not potent enough to matter?)

I think most drgs would rather have the chance for triple jump from homam.

[Deimos]

Okay, so "copyrighted" was a bad word choice, I didn't really mean to imply all the connotations that come with that. Merona was just the first person I ever saw actually mention doing that gear-swap thing, a long time ago, probably on KI. It's a pretty obvious idea in retrospect, but I hadn't really thought of it before seeing her post about it.

Anyway, staying on topic a little, I personally think that Ares Cuirass may be most useful to PLD, of all the jobs that can equip it. I don't think it's overwhelmingly better than Haubergeon (if even better at all), especially for the effort involved and the price of Khroma Ore currently. That just leaves PLD and DRG, and it's probably the best body piece for a sushi-using DRG, but something with Accuracy on it would most likely be more useful with meat. It's definitely a strong body piece for PLD, especially if your LS has the luck that mine does, where we haven't even seen a single piece of PLD AF2 from a northlands Dynamis in over 6 months.

[Max™]

War/Thf SATA Steel Cyclone GO!

Only real "omg best piece" situation I've found for it.

[Akanei]

I remember VIT being a modifier of Jump, doesn't increase a DRG's interest in this piece at least for macros? (Or is the modifier not potent enough to matter?)

I think most drgs would rather have the chance for triple jump from homam.

You're better off throwing on ws gear and hoping for a da proc. Triples happen too far and few to merit wearing homam for little more than accuracy.

Edit: That said, the cuirass is a bigger improvement for jumps than the other alternative, sneak attack-wise (heca body). However, with the cost of khroma... I wouldn't get it for just jump.

As I said, I'm eventually gonna get the piece and likely wear it full-time. With the exception of, like... thf/nin mamool ja (where I'm just better off using sushi, anyway), the difference of 15 accuracy isn't crippling. Considering the only real evasive HNM, still, is Kirin... I don't really see it being a big deal, there, either.

[Seedz]

Ares Cuiras is PLD/RDM sex to my eyes.

As for tanking, I'd probably use Valor Surcoat over it most of the time, until I felt I needed the extra mp. Probably an almost-fulltime piece for JoL though.

[GSDragoon]

The stunning lack of accuracy on the piece obviously screams DRG item.

Are you assuming they are using sushi?

[aurik]

whoosh

[Starr]

Flash; 25 MP cost
1mp/tick = 75 seconds
2mp/tick = 39 seconds
3mp/tick = 27 seconds
4mp/tick = 21 seconds
5mp/tick = 15 seconds
6mp/tick = 15 seconds
7mp/tick = 12 seconds
8mp/tick = 12 seconds
9mp/tick = 9 seconds
10mp/tick = 9 seconds

Cure IV; 88 MP cost
1mp/tick = 264 seconds
2mp/tick = 132 seconds
3mp/tick = 90 seconds
4mp/tick = 66 seconds
5mp/tick = 54 seconds
6mp/tick = 45 seconds
7mp/tick = 39 seconds
8mp/tick = 33 seconds
9mp/tick = 30 seconds
10mp/tick = 30 seconds

[Kaylia]

Flash; 25 MP cost
1mp/tick = 75 seconds
2mp/tick = 39 seconds
3mp/tick = 27 seconds
4mp/tick = 21 seconds
5mp/tick = 15 seconds
6mp/tick = 15 seconds
7mp/tick = 12 seconds
8mp/tick = 12 seconds
9mp/tick = 9 seconds
10mp/tick = 9 seconds

Cure IV; 88 MP cost
1mp/tick = 264 seconds
2mp/tick = 132 seconds
3mp/tick = 90 seconds
4mp/tick = 66 seconds
5mp/tick = 54 seconds
6mp/tick = 45 seconds
7mp/tick = 39 seconds
8mp/tick = 33 seconds
9mp/tick = 30 seconds
10mp/tick = 30 seconds

I could explain in words why your reasoning is wrong, but I decided to make a pretty graph instead

http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/2888/graphiy4.jpg

Going from 9 to 10 mp mean your mp consumption can be increased by 11%, and this is considerable considering every hate tool on low timer come from spell. A PLD in most situation will be able to use all his mp so that's not an issue. In the event he doesnt need "+1refresh", you could alway sing 1 march to help recast.

[Edit]
Assuming you were trying to show that high refresh do nothing...your first mistake was to bring a situation up where both "flash" and "cure IV" are using independant mp pool. A PLD is limited strictly by its refresh, and every spell used drain mp

[Deimos]

Yes those are useful charts if you're playing the "start from 0 MP and you're allowed to cast one spell per fight" game.

Edit: damn, beaten again.

[Starr]

Flash; 25 MP cost
1mp/tick = 75 seconds
2mp/tick = 39 seconds
3mp/tick = 27 seconds
4mp/tick = 21 seconds
5mp/tick = 15 seconds
6mp/tick = 15 seconds
7mp/tick = 12 seconds
8mp/tick = 12 seconds
9mp/tick = 9 seconds
10mp/tick = 9 seconds

Cure IV; 88 MP cost
1mp/tick = 264 seconds
2mp/tick = 132 seconds
3mp/tick = 90 seconds
4mp/tick = 66 seconds
5mp/tick = 54 seconds
6mp/tick = 45 seconds
7mp/tick = 39 seconds
8mp/tick = 33 seconds
9mp/tick = 30 seconds
10mp/tick = 30 seconds

I could explain in words why your reasoning is wrong

What reasoning? Just showing data tfor people to discuss, I think it's a good piece for PLD.

[Kaylia]

The reasoning that would make you post such data. You got pretty numbers, but in the context, they mean absolutely nothing. >_> The "data" you brought is similar to Euclid's paradox, because it compare 2 events that are unrelated.

[Ambir]

I was mostly basing my "you don't need autorefresh with Ethereal Earring" comment off of experience. Between Chilvary, refresh, and Ethereal, I never really have MP trouble when tanking HNMs.

Then you really can't have an enmity problem either... MP = casting spells = enmity.

I don't understand being worried about your enmity, and yet never really having MP trouble...
(Exactly why Gjallerhorn is so good. Sooo much enmity...)

[Starr]

The reasoning that would make you post such data. You got pretty numbers, but in the context, they mean absolutely nothing. >_> The "data" you brought is similar to Euclid's paradox, because it compare 2 events that are unrelated.

I don't see how they mean absolutely nothing, say you go from 0 MP (I'm sure this can happen on Galka) and say you have Refresh, Auto-Refresh and Parade Gorget active (which I think is the usual) so you're going from 5mp/tick to 6mp/tick by equipping Ares Cuirass you could Cure IV 11 seconds faster for more hate, how is it irrelevant?

[Beckwin]

More mp = more better.

Also, it makes you less reliant on ballad. It's pretty common when you have 1 brd to get march/ballad, but if you can do w/o the ballad via gear refreshes, you get double march which caps your recasts for better defense and flash timers.

[JoOeetheplatypuS]

Hey, DRK can use the Refresh as well... Some of us know how to use our spells.

[Shuemue]

If shadows will be up, surely it'd be optimal to switch your body piece in and out for a coupla ticks of mp, then macro to enmity to cast/ja?

(Oh and fuck the blms who cry about being cured out of latent by PLD, they should be able to macro it during casting anyway)