Ares Body for PLD

[Grey Jorildyn]

it's a fair body piece for paladin. i'm posting kinda late and all the argument i would've made either way were already stated.

personally i wouldn't use it on pld/war or pld/nin, but i might for pld/drk. preference things for me i guess.

[BerenTebogo]

I have my 3/3 just waiting on ingots as they're 500k / ore on my server so I'm not in a rush to blow all gil on it, but mine is for PLD main.

I'm really looking forward to testing this as a tank piece, I've found personally that 2 enmity can be swapped out for very very minimal difference, if any. I also don't have Valor body so it's a + over my Glt +1.

Leveling WAR though, as I'm the first 3/3 NA Ares on Fenrir and people in my own LS are threatening to kill me as PLD only

I'm actually really interested in how I'd go about building a setup for WAR Axe/Axe with ares, I won't get E body since I have had no desire to be in aery for years.

[Starr]

I'm actually really interested in how I'd go about building a setup for WAR Axe/Axe with ares,

With sushi lol.

[Sprint]

Swapping dusk gloves for Ares Gauntlets makes up the 10 acc loss from a hauby, now whether that is worth giving up 3% haste idk.

[Eaglestrike]

This also might be a late post but: There's a cap on enmity, if you're not fighting a mob that resets hate after a few minutes you'll probably be at or pretty much at the hate cap. Another tick of refresh will help you keep yourself and everyone else alive longer and you'll still be at the hate cap. It makes the ultimate combo for paladin Hydra body (the enmity+8) for the first few minutes of a fight, then Ares the rest of the way (unless he dies).

[Zragnarok]

I'd take Ares Body on PLD anytime. Dealing DMG also gives a PLD enmity ( as noone really brought this up yet in this thread ) and in most cases, this armor look better than K. Body on HNM that you can actually hit for more than 0 ( when you don't miss it lol). I know hitting for 2 instead of 0 won't give me more hate than using a CureIV on someone but over time, it help getting more TP for Chivalry for example. Instead of getting -10 STR from K. Body, you get +12 ( difference of +22 STR ) and also the att bonus, +refresh... I would sacrifice the +8 VIT from K. Body over Ares for all the other stats on Ares.

As for Valor Surcoat +enmity, it can easily be replaced by other slot ( like head with Bahamut's Mask with +8 enmity ). The hidden effect when you cover someone ( well the "Enhance Cover ability" ) is nice but you need to lose hate to someone and cover that person. Since you can only cover ppl in your party... Kind of not very useful... Valor Surcoat is nice, but not really useful over Ares Body IMO. It's more like "Hey look, I got PLD body from Xarcabard, a very rare drop so i'm good" lol

I'd probably won't use it on ToAH HNM though since the trick is to not feed them with TP ( Khimaira and Cerby below 25% ) and I would use either haste body or +enmity body.

Meritting with it would be good, would make PLD's WS a little bit more useful. The refresh would also make the party faster. But it's not worth to get if it's only for merit so mehhhh.

So yeah, it depends on the situation...

I also see that body useful on a DRG/WHM for refresh...

[Julian]

I'd take Ares Body on PLD anytime. Dealing DMG also gives a PLD enmity ( as noone really brought this up yet in this thread ) and in most cases, this armor look better than K. Body on HNM that you can actually hit for more than 0 ( when you don't miss it lol). I know hitting for 2 instead of 0 won't give me more hate than using a CureIV on someone but over time, it help getting more TP for Chivalry for example. Instead of getting -10 STR from K. Body, you get +12 ( difference of +22 STR ) and also the att bonus, +refresh... I would sacrifice the +8 VIT from K. Body over Ares for all the other stats on Ares.

As for Valor Surcoat +enmity, it can easily be replaced by other slot ( like head with Bahamut's Mask with +8 enmity ). The hidden effect when you cover someone ( well the "Enhance Cover ability" ) is nice but you need to lose hate to someone and cover that person. Since you can only cover ppl in your party... Kind of not very useful... Valor Surcoat is nice, but not really useful over Ares Body IMO. It's more like "Hey look, I got PLD body from Xarcabard, a very rare drop so i'm good" lol

I'd probably won't use it on ToAH HNM though since the trick is to not feed them with TP ( Khimaira and Cerby below 25% ) and I would use either haste body or +enmity body.

Meritting with it would be good, would make PLD's WS a little bit more useful. The refresh would also make the party faster. But it's not worth to get if it's only for merit so mehhhh.

So yeah, it depends on the situation...

I also see that body useful on a DRG/WHM for refresh...

I lol'd, a lot.

1) Pld doing dmg wont do shit on hnms except give them tp
2) "Give up 8 vit" = lol
3) You're obviously a very leet PLD who solo tanks everything, and never bounces hate with other tanks.
4) You'd do more damage eating meat and wearing hauby instead of using this with sushi

[layoneil]

and I would use either haste body

there's no such thing.

[Atlasion]

For places where PLDs can do some damage like city dynamis zones and exping it would be really good.

1MP/tick really isn't that much, and I very rarely have MP trouble as PLD/NIN. I don't see it having much use for PLD/NIN.

[Zragnarok]

1) Pld doing dmg wont do shit on hnms except give them tp

For real ? I know that but how do you get TP to use Chivalry ? Or maybe you don't use it ? And why do I see PLD melee Cerberus before he reach 25 % ? They all noobs ? If you're a good PLD and can heal anyone in the alliance to get more hate and save your WHM a few mp, then chivalry can be useful to use.

2) "Give up 8 vit" = lol

Maybe as a taru you need VIT but as an Elvaan, I can sacrifice a few VIT for other stats. And VIT is nothing if you blink tank and don't get hit, it's useless. It's good for bloodtanking which is not very common on HNM. When I was talking about sacrifacing 8 VIT it was for mobs we bloodtank to actually be able to hit it. try to hit a mob with K. Body with -10 STR,-10 DEX and try with Ares body with +12 STR and +24 ATT.

3) You're obviously a very leet PLD who solo tanks everything, and never bounces hate with other tanks.

You obiviously don't know me ( look, you're on Carbuncle, i'm on Ifrit ). I know what i'm talking about with bouncing hate with other tank or melee. You ever saw me tank ? No ? I don't think you can say much. That's a must as a PLD to know how to give hate to someone else when needed or how to keep hate at all cost. If you don't know how, lvl another job, this one isn't for you.

4) You'd do more damage eating meat and wearing hauby instead of using this with sushi

If you say so, I won't try to prouve you wrong because i'm not a DD and I never took some time to check the info about damage dealing and other stuff. The thing I know though is that even though i'd like PLD to be able to be some kind of DD with healing support, PLD lack accuracy and it's hard to be an effective DD if you aren't well geared.

And maybe you misunderstood what I wanted to say but in resume :

Exp party, NM ( Those in sky for pop items, NQ version of Aspi and KB, etc ) > Ares Body
HNM, Land King, ToAH HNM > Another Body than Ares

[Ryko]

For real ? I know that but how do you get TP to use Chivalry ?

Generally? In 15 minutes you should be able to build 100+ TP even with shadows. Find yourself severely at a loss? Use an icarus wing.

[Sendra]

Maybe as a taru you need VIT but as an Elvaan, I can sacrifice a few VIT for other stats. And VIT is nothing if you blink tank and don't get hit, it's useless. It's good for bloodtanking which is not very common on HNM. When I was talking about sacrifacing 8 VIT it was for mobs we bloodtank to actually be able to hit it.

VIT doesn't do shit for damage reduction, period, even when you're getting your face pounded on /WAR. This is true regardless of race/gear/merits/whatever.

[Atlasion]

Hold on. Ares Body helps you gain TP?!

[Ryko]

"It helps you hit for more than 0!" or something

[Zragnarok]

For real ? I know that but how do you get TP to use Chivalry ?

Generally? In 15 minutes you should be able to build 100+ TP even with shadows. Find yourself severely at a loss? Use an icarus wing.

If you have Chivalry Meritted it's less than 15 min. IC can only be used once in a while ( dunno what is the downtime on that but i'm pretty sure it's more than 1 hour). You get 2 TP each time you get hit, and an additionnal 2 if you block with your shield. Let's say you block 25% of the time this means you need to get hit 10 times to get 100 TP. I don't know if you have a good mana pool but chivalry with 100 TP won't full my mana pool. I need more like 300 TP to make Chivalry very effective when i'm low on mana so that means you need to get hit 30 times in let's say 10 min recast on a Chivalry merrited.

as a PLD/NIN my goal is not to be hit, it's to not get hit...

[Atlasion]

I should have seen that..


Just a thought. Anyone know if Martial Anelace TP bonus works with Chivalry?

Edit: I'm pretty sure that Chivalry fully meritted is 15 minutes.

[JoOeetheplatypuS]

Off topic, but would a PLD use the valhalla gear? It seems like some interesting armor...

Oh and I've wondered how a PLD who could do some (read as: 1/4 of a normal melee) damage could do. The fact is that would be extra damage and, frankly, damage coming from anywhere is a good thing. Damage coming from a tank is a great thing. Damage gained without giving up an ally slot is a golden thing. Ares could help with this.

PS: We now consider VIT to be meaningless but, frankly, I'm not sure it is. Has anyone even tried VIT stacking in over a year? I'd be interested to see how it does now.

[Ferien]

If you have Chivalry Meritted it's less than 15 min.

Really? Can I have some of whatever you're smoking?

[Ryko]

For real ? I know that but how do you get TP to use Chivalry ?

Generally? In 15 minutes you should be able to build 100+ TP even with shadows. Find yourself severely at a loss? Use an icarus wing.

If you have Chivalry Meritted it's less than 15 min. IC can only be used once in a while ( dunno what is the downtime on that but i'm pretty sure it's more than 1 hour). You get 2 TP each time you get hit, and an additionnal 2 if you block with your shield. Let's say you block 25% of the time this means you need to get hit 10 times to get 100 TP. I don't know if you have a good mana pool but chivalry with 100 TP won't full my mana pool. I need more like 300 TP to make Chivalry very effective when i'm low on mana so that means you need to get hit 30 times in let's say 10 min recast on a Chivalry merrited.

as a PLD/NIN my goal is not to be hit, it's to not get hit...

Well 1) Fully merited Chivalry is 15 minutes, it starts at 20.
2) You get 5 TP every time you block, 2 when you get hit unblocked. Between AOEs, multihit TP moves and magical attacks you're telling me it's somehow hard to build 100 TP in 15 minutes even with your sword in its hilt? Worse comes to worst? Pop sentinel and eat 20 seconds worth of hits, then cure yourself. The goal of PLD/NIN is damage mitigation and negation but using your brain can make the damage you do take, even on purpose, negligible in comparison to what you gain out of it.
3) You typically should have a WHM with devotion in the tank pt also if you find yourself hemorrhaging MP, which if you get hit like... never, you really shouldn't be at a total loss for with chivalry and devo even while holding hate.
4) You can only use an icarus wing once every 2 hours, but what HNM do you know of should take more than half that anymore?

[Zragnarok]

Well 1) Fully merited Chivalry is 15 minutes, it starts at 20.
2) You get 5 TP every time you block, 2 when you get hit unblocked. Between AOEs, multihit TP moves and magical attacks you're telling me it's somehow hard to build 100 TP in 15 minutes even with your sword in its hilt? Worse comes to worst? Pop sentinel and eat 20 seconds worth of hits, then cure yourself. The goal of PLD/NIN is damage mitigation and negation but using your brain can make the damage you do take, even on purpose, negligible in comparison to what you gain out of it.
3) You typically should have a WHM with devotion in the tank pt also if you find yourself hemorrhaging MP, which if you get hit like... never, you really shouldn't be at a total loss for with chivalry and devo even while holding hate.
4) You can only use an icarus wing once every 2 hours, but what HNM do you know of should take more than half that anymore?

1) My bad, I thought it started at 15, not 20 min. I knew 1 more merit lower it's cast for 2 min 30 sec, that's why I said less than 15 min.

2)I never said it would be hard to get 100 tp in 15 min. What I said is it's hard to get TP while you do not engage the mob. Someone koted me saying that engaging a HNM only feeds him with TP, which is kinda true. You won't do much DMG much compare to the TP you will give him but it will give you TP as well, which was my point. And using Chivalry at 100 TP won't full my mana pool, I need more TP than 100.

3)Absolutly true

4)My point was that yes, using an Icarus wing is a good idea, but it's not something you can't do at will. You can only use it once every 2 hours. But as you stated, chivalry being that long of recast, you shouldn't have to use one in a fight because you have enough time to get enough TP.