Absolute Virtue Theory

[bamiman]

little tidbit of info incase people havent noticed yet to try...

3 aerns spawn by JoL pop ???...

THEY ARE THE ONLY AERNS THAT DONT RESPAWN SAME JOBS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

they are paired in teams of two... as follows...

blm/rdm
thf/mnk
nin/war

they alternate jobs everytime you kill them.

Now i am mostly sure this is how you stop his instacast meteor... If he does instacast meteor, then kill the rdm/blm mob. I'm pretty darn certain this will cancel out the meteor (ex. if blm is up and he does it then try to keep the rdm up as opposed to the blm aern).

We are currently trying to attempt this, but our LS doesnt have the number of blm's to keep the wynavs down.




If this has been already put out there i do appologize ahead of time... there is only so much one can read on AV via BG (most of it is crap that people just post to get their count up)...

benediction

Basically not worried so much about benediction atm... We are trying to figure out whether this will work to hold back on his instacast meteor presently. Once we figure that out then we will try to theorize something to work towards the benediction issue.

Seems to me there are multiple things needed to "limit" so to speak that AV actually does. We are trying to figure them out one at a time and when we have many figured, we will toss em all together and actually make a real attempt on AV himself (with other LS's help of corse due to our lack of blm to control wynav issue). But figuring one thing out at a time is our goal...

[Sci]

No, it seems that it was TP that might have been locked since the only time it actually did a TP move was during the Meiku Shisui. But, once again, only 20 people so not like we could do too much. We held the wyverns for a bit but eventually they killed off the tanks and went back to the AV holding party. Our tanks had no problem tanking it until the wynavs came back haha.

Liar. I tanked my wynav just fine, and the whole alliance wiped and I had all the wynavs and AV on me. Then I got charmed, and was the last person in the alliance alive. So when charm wore AV just strolled away from me. I was actually expecting the normal rape you get when you're the last man standing after being charmed. :D

[Izzy]

No, it seems that it was TP that might have been locked since the only time it actually did a TP move was during the Meiku Shisui. But, once again, only 20 people so not like we could do too much. We held the wyverns for a bit but eventually they killed off the tanks and went back to the AV holding party. Our tanks had no problem tanking it until the wynavs came back haha.

Liar. I tanked my wynav just fine, and the whole alliance wiped and I had all the wynavs and AV on me. Then I got charmed, and was the last person in the alliance alive. So when charm wore AV just strolled away from me. I was actually expecting the normal rape you get when you're the last man standing after being charmed. :D

You sure, because I was under the impression that 1,200 damage frost/gust breaths coupled with a couple agaIII's made it incredibly hard to tank a wyvern. The other two nins got one shotted by a breath attack for 1300+ damage.

[Sci]

I had 1600 HP. Q_Qb

Plus I don't think any of the breaths hit me for full dmg. On instinct I shift positions when I see a breath attack, which works 100% on bigger mobs and often you can get an out of range even when you're practically next to them. No such luck on wynavs, but I don't remember anything like a 1300 dmg breath.

[Izzy]

I had 1600 HP. Q_Qb

Plus I don't think any of the breaths hit me for full dmg. On instinct I shift positions when I see a breath attack, which works 100% on bigger mobs and often you can get an out of range even when you're practically next to them. No such luck on wynavs, but I don't remember anything like a 1300 dmg breath.

Carmen and the other tank DEFINATLEY took 1300 damage lol. We just need to get a BLM army to either ga them down when they pop, or kill two of them and just leave one up.

[aurik]

A good portion of indoor Aerns lotto between 2 different jobs.

[mackerel]

A good portion of indoor Aerns lotto between 2 different jobs.

Those aerns are distinct within the .dat file.
The rooms with random aern jobs have 5 different aerns in the .dat, 3 of which are static and one 50/50.

[shukuffxi]

A good portion of indoor Aerns lotto between 2 different jobs.

Those aerns are distinct within the .dat file.
The rooms with random aern jobs have 5 different aerns in the .dat, 3 of which are static and one 50/50.

I'm pretty sure this is valid, when I was farming H.Q Aern Organs, when you enter Hu'Xzoi, and take the door to the left, those Aerns always respawn as either: BLM WHM DRK SAM RNG. Fairly friendly for BLM solo/duo farming since you can Aspir 3 of 'em :D

I'm not 100% sure about the Aerns right Hu'Xzoi entrance, but I think they tend to respawn the same job mostly? There's almost always the BRD and BLM near the entrance if I remember correctly, when I was trying to learn Disseverment.

[mackerel]

A good portion of indoor Aerns lotto between 2 different jobs.

Those aerns are distinct within the .dat file.
The rooms with random aern jobs have 5 different aerns in the .dat, 3 of which are static and one 50/50.

I'm pretty sure this is valid, when I was farming H.Q Aern Organs, when you enter Hu'Xzoi, and take the door to the left, those Aerns always respawn as either: BLM WHM DRK SAM RNG. Fairly friendly for BLM solo/duo farming since you can Aspir 3 of 'em :D

I'm not 100% sure about the Aerns right Hu'Xzoi entrance, but I think they tend to respawn the same job mostly? There's almost always the BRD and BLM near the entrance if I remember correctly, when I was trying to learn Disseverment.

The west room has 2 BLM, east room has 2 NIN, they're just never up at the same time.

[Elipse]

We have 3 JoL planned this week and we plan to test out basically everything listed in this thread. I hope ONE of them works.

blargh did they all fail or what

Yes ahhaha. The only thing we "noticed" is that when those 3 aerns were dead, AV SEEMED weaker, but we were probley just imagining things. We'd definitely need other LS's to try the same. The only 2hr's he used were Invincible, Meiko Shisui, and Astral Flow (not counting Call Wyvern). Figured maybe those 3 aerns represented what 2hr's he could/couldn't do, but it was REALLY hard to test shit out with only 20 people.

Can you explain what you mean by weaker? Do you just mean that he only used 3 two hours that you noticed? Or were spells/hits doing less damage as well? Also can you go into detail about your tank party? What set up did you use? Also how hard was he to hold? how long did you hold him up etc? Any details you can spare would be appreciated.

Many of my LS is on vacation/dealing with RL stuff atm but we have 3 JoL sets and were planing to go on sunday. If we get enough and AV pops, we'll give it a go, so any info you can provide would help out.

[Souldeity]

I know there have been a lot of posts and I really want to read all of them but one quick question. Has any ls tried having people use the seven weapons that embody the 7 deadly sins? I was just thinking that since AV represents god in a way and that god is strengthened by the virtue weapons that maybe you need to use the sins to weaken him. Like I said I am sure that this theory has been presented, just want to know if anyone has tried it.

[bamiman]

We have 3 JoL planned this week and we plan to test out basically everything listed in this thread. I hope ONE of them works.

blargh did they all fail or what

Yes ahhaha. The only thing we "noticed" is that when those 3 aerns were dead, AV SEEMED weaker, but we were probley just imagining things. We'd definitely need other LS's to try the same. The only 2hr's he used were Invincible, Meiko Shisui, and Astral Flow (not counting Call Wyvern). Figured maybe those 3 aerns represented what 2hr's he could/couldn't do, but it was REALLY hard to test shit out with only 20 people.

Can you explain what you mean by weaker? Do you just mean that he only used 3 two hours that you noticed? Or were spells/hits doing less damage as well? Also can you go into detail about your tank party? What set up did you use? Also how hard was he to hold? how long did you hold him up etc? Any details you can spare would be appreciated.

Many of my LS is on vacation/dealing with RL stuff atm but we have 3 JoL sets and were planing to go on sunday. If we get enough and AV pops, we'll give it a go, so any info you can provide would help out.

My LS was on standby while Izzy's LS was doing AV... We were observing what was going on when certain things were being tested. It seemed as though when we tried to lock down the MNK Aern and keep the THF (one mob rotates between MNK/THF) out that AV seemed to be attacking at a slower rate (keep in mind the "seemed") although our minds may have been decieved by what we thought might happen when this was being done. If this is true then when THF Aern is out he should have a higher evasion rate but slower attack rate and vice versa for the MNK Aern being out...
We also noticed that AV had bracellets out when the MNK Aern was up. Almost instantly when the MNK Aern was killed the bracellets disappeared. I honestly dont know if this is a coincidence or not but it is what was being observed.

[Suiram]

Wait what? He had bracelets out, are you sure? I'd think people would have made a bigger deal of it if he had.

Edit: They look like this (from viewtopic.php?p=169074#p169074):

http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/827...51754722uk.jpg

[bamiman]

ok then LOL maybe it wasnt bracellets... they didnt look that distinctive. But thx for the heads up ROFL next time I'll make sure to look for those

Doesnt he use those around 50% and go buck wild...?

[Suiram]

He did at 60% originally but they patched that out after only a handful of kills where people used the wall, and before the spate of kills where people would lock his 2Hs and spells and straight-tank him.

[Rocl]

Could you be more specific about the aerns?
And how long exactly did you fight it Izzy?

Any noticable changes when the Aerns were dead, if there even was a difference between the THF and MNK?

And, does anyone remember the old 2hr groupings, it would always do a certain 3 in a row? If so, is Meiko/Astral/Invincible a grouping?

Sorry for all the questions, but I don't get to fight it and test it out myself haha

[Suiram]

And, does anyone remember the old 2hr groupings, it would always do a certain 3 in a row? If so, is Meiko/Astral/Invincible a grouping?

The groupings were only when he went into bracelets mode. There might be a more succinct summary elsewhere but this was on the previous page from the link I posted above.

Some of the patters he exhibited:
1. Call Wyvern was alywas 6 wynavs and was always followed by familiar, and astral flow. This made the wynavs take around 20 or so -ga spells to dispatch of. We tried to time how long between when he summoned wynavs and we killed them and he summoned more. One estimate we got was 4 minutes and 30 seconds from the time he summons wynavs, not when the wynavs died.
2. Hundred Fists and Mighty Strikes were used together.
3. He used both Manafont+Perfect Dodge combo , and Manafont+Chainspell. Although throught the whole fight his spells had always been insta cast so wtf on Chainspell.
4. He always always always used Invincible right before benediction and the mijiin gakure right after, so if we had found a way to stun him, and it's possible to stun his 2 hours, we would have been golden.
5. He likes to do comet -> comet -> meteor. Figuring this out was big so BLMs could move out of range when we started to see comet.
6. He hardly ever used soul voice
7. He used a couple other melee 2 hours together that i can't recall; something like Meikyo Shisui to Blood Weapon or something of the sort, but always in the pattern.

Also, if I'm remembering right from our own bracelets AV, he would also do Eagle Eye Shot x3.

[Rocl]

How disappointing
Didn't know it only did the groupings while in bracelet mode

[Seraphise]

Wait what? He had bracelets out, are you sure? I'd think people would have made a bigger deal of it if he had.

Edit: They look like this (from viewtopic.php?p=169074#p169074):

http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/827...51754722uk.jpg

When was this picture taken? a update or two ago they changed the bracelets for lolps2

[Sci]

Could you be more specific about the aerns?
And how long exactly did you fight it Izzy?

Any noticable changes when the Aerns were dead, if there even was a difference between the THF and MNK?

And, does anyone remember the old 2hr groupings, it would always do a certain 3 in a row? If so, is Meiko/Astral/Invincible a grouping?

Sorry for all the questions, but I don't get to fight it and test it out myself haha

We had it up for about 2 hours, but a lot of that time was just sac holding it and dragging it around the zone. We pulled it to the Grand Palace zone line while we had people killing Om'Aerns around JoL and all the Ul'Aerns we could. While we were holding it at the zone line, that's when we noticed it only using certain 2 hours and being somewhat tamer. Because in past tries against AV, it would often bust out with a painful 2 hour and kill everyone on the ramp, and this didn't happen at all. Once we realized we didn't have enough people left (it was like 1 AM on a weeknight) to kill aerns and tank and attack AV, we let it go back to its spawn, and had people change jobs. So at this point we had been killing Ul'Aerns and Om'Aerns for a while.

We pulled AV while most of the Om'Aerns in JoL's area were simply claimed, not dead. Pulled the Wynavs away from AV, and tried seeing if it was any weaker. Not the case at all, and it killed a couple of people holding wynavs, which then caused it to kill the AV tank party, and wipe the alliance. At no point did it have bracelets on either, nor did it ever look different.

I wish we had had enough people to actually keep the Om'Aerns dead and make a go at AV, but we didn't. So we tried what we could with what we had. At least we're fairly certain that Om'Aerns being claimed has nothing to do with weakening AV. But them being dead might have some effect.

Assuming I had a full force of people to throw at it, I'd like to see AV being tanked while:
- Wynavs are kept dead
- Om'Aerns in JoL's area are kept dead

And if no difference is noticed from that:
- Add Om'Phaubos and Om'Hpmedes and Om'Xzomits to the dead list
- Kill Ul'Yovras and Om'Yovras
- Kill Ul'Aerns

Oh and while tanking AV, doing a SC of the day of the week and cooresponding MBs. Basically, I just want to see things tried that SE has given hints about. They're pretty certain it's killable, so it likely is, we just need to figure out the trick to do it.