Absolute Virtue Theory

[Thevaultdweller]

<LS Leader> Shit, AV pop. Okay, add parties, get those Aerns down!
*Aerns killed*
<LS> All right! 2 hours locked!
<LS Leader> alright, let's get to work on AV.
*14 minutes, 55 seconds later*
<LS Leader> Doing good guys, he's @71%
*WHM Aern respawns*
Absolute Virtue uses Benediction.
Absolute Virtue recovers 29032 HP.

[bamiman]

<LS Leader> Shit, AV pop. Okay, add parties, get those Aerns down!
*Aerns killed*
<LS> All right! 2 hours locked!
<LS Leader> alright, let's get to work on AV.
*14 minutes, 55 seconds later*
<LS Leader> Doing good guys, he's @71%
*WHM Aern respawns*
Absolute Virtue uses Benediction.
Absolute Virtue recovers 29032 HP.

Actually would be 4min, 55 sec later to tell you the truth... Those Om'Aerns there respawn 5min not 15 like most Aerns inside the palace. But loving it ROFL.

[Thevaultdweller]

Gah, forgot, outside mob.

[Rocl]

Yeah, I asked about how long and what not, because only using 3 two hours seemed really weird.
That's very encouraging, thanks for testing out crazy crack pot theories (*'-')b

[Venture]

Indeed. I like where this has gone in the last two pages. Props to you and your LS for testing some of these out, and letting us know how it goes. If it's those damned Aerns, i'm gonna lol at how simple it was.

[bamiman]

Im not with Izzy's LS but my LS... http://www.graveyardshiftls.com (sorry for the promo LOL) had some theories and is kind of testing the waters so to speak...

The 3 aerns around JoL pop site seem to be key (in my opinion) to "locking down" his nasty job shit... Just need to actually get him down to 79% so we can actually see if rotating the BLM/RDM Aern will screw up his nasty Comet/Meteor Spamga. We seriously want to attempt this, but lack the BLM to take care of the wynavs with AV...

Next time we see him up we will be testing the other surrounding Aerns to see if killing them directly affects the 2hrs he can use. Probably do this one by one via Process of elimination... If there is a certain 2hr he continuously uses, we will kill that job linked Aern to see if it will "lock it down" for the time the Aern is dead.

We are presently working with other LS's on Pheonix server to see when they POP JoLove. And if they are not willing to attempt AV we are going to see if it is ok if we do... Most seem to be cool with it as long as we dont interfere with their attempts... As well, most have the "omfg its unbeatable" attitude anyway...

Will keep BG posted if anything new comes up.

[OMGimataru]

Am I missing something?

1. We know that the regen of AV was to be cut by killing off of phaubo's that JoL spawns with corresponding element
2. Jailer weapons are now 100% drop
3. JP developers have mentioned that weakening AV is through surrounding mob(s)

No one put two and two together in removing 2 hours?

[Hapernack]

Am I missing something?

1. We know that the regen of AV was to be cut by killing off of phaubo's that JoL spawns with corresponding element
2. Jailer weapons are now 100% drop
3. JP developers have mentioned that weakening AV is through surrounding mob(s)

No one put two and two together in removing 2 hours?

Yeah you are missing something.

1. This interview is subject to great controversy considering it may have been a mis-translation or mis-wording of an answer.
2. I'm not testing Jailer weapons for the 90823523th time. We tried already.
3. Once again, contradicts previous interviews so its subject to controversy.

[Septimus]

Am I missing something?

1. We know that the regen of AV was to be cut by killing off of phaubo's that JoL spawns with corresponding element
2. Jailer weapons are now 100% drop
3. JP developers have mentioned that weakening AV is through surrounding mob(s)

No one put two and two together in removing 2 hours?

1. Regen is different from "OMG my face, MY FACE!! AAAAAAH!!!!" AV's regen is annoying, but it can be dealt with. AV's ability to spit out Aeroga IV at whim is slightly trickier to deal with.
2. Jailer weapons have always been 100% drop from day one. (I was there.)
3. Based off of the presumption that they are not wrong or lying.

[OMGimataru]

Am I missing something?

1. We know that the regen of AV was to be cut by killing off of phaubo's that JoL spawns with corresponding element
2. Jailer weapons are now 100% drop
3. JP developers have mentioned that weakening AV is through surrounding mob(s)

No one put two and two together in removing 2 hours?

Yeah you are missing something.

1. This interview is subject to great controversy considering it may have been a mis-translation or mis-wording of an answer.
2. I'm not testing Jailer weapons for the 90823523th time. We tried already.
3. Once again, contradicts previous interviews so its subject to controversy.

1. In the context of the 'theory' it seems logical
2. Tests I have read were regarding using jailer weapons on AV itself or the wyverns.

Have you, or anyone, try Jailer weapons on JoL after the regen was cut with Skillchains and virtue stones? Then note what 2 hours were used?

Since AV spawns wyverns immediately upon death, just using the Love Halberd in a skillchain will prove any elimination of a 2 hour ability, correct?
3. JoL is a "surrounding" mob. It may not be alive during the time that AV is spawned, but it is technically a "surrounding" monster.

[Izzy]

Am I missing something?

1. We know that the regen of AV was to be cut by killing off of phaubo's that JoL spawns with corresponding element
2. Jailer weapons are now 100% drop
3. JP developers have mentioned that weakening AV is through surrounding mob(s)

No one put two and two together in removing 2 hours?

Yeah you are missing something.

1. This interview is subject to great controversy considering it may have been a mis-translation or mis-wording of an answer.
2. I'm not testing Jailer weapons for the 90823523th time. We tried already.
3. Once again, contradicts previous interviews so its subject to controversy.

1. In the context of the 'theory' it seems logical
2. Tests I have read were regarding using jailer weapons on AV itself or the wyverns.

Have you, or anyone, try Jailer weapons on JoL after the regen was cut with Skillchains and virtue stones? Then note what 2 hours were used?

Since AV spawns wyverns immediately upon death, just using the Love Halberd in a skillchain will prove any elimination of a 2 hour ability, correct?
3. JoL is a "surrounding" mob. It may not be alive during the time that AV is spawned, but it is technically a "surrounding" monster.

Tell you what, go test your theories and get back to us after you've lost 90,000 exp and accomplished nothing because everything you just typed has been tried.

I wish these random people would stop coming here and posting for other people to go try their dumbass theories. Go fucking test them yourselves.

[Hapernack]

What Izzy said.

[bamiman]

Am I missing something?

1. We know that the regen of AV was to be cut by killing off of phaubo's that JoL spawns with corresponding element
2. Jailer weapons are now 100% drop
3. JP developers have mentioned that weakening AV is through surrounding mob(s)

No one put two and two together in removing 2 hours?

Weapons have always been 100% droprate... Its the virtues that are now 100% that werent before.

[Sagacious Sundi]

No one put two and two together in removing 2 hours?

"So I put two and two together there hey, and decided that you're pissin' me off."

[Sethil]

3. JoL is a "surrounding" mob. It may not be alive during the time that AV is spawned, but it is technically a "surrounding" monster.

http://www.cryptomundo.com/wp-conten.../caveman_3.jpg

UHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH What?

Fact of the matter is unless it is specifically stated that jailer weapons are the key to beating AV, and unless it is specifically stated how to do so, everything will be dismissed. And rightfully so as well.

The mystery of this intrigues me as much as Rose Garden, the heckeye in rag. pass and its clone mobs, and the strange apparatus. I am the demographic for this thread and even I am sick of hearing about these weapons unless someone man's up and tries to waste their XP on them. Seems like people wanna be the one to nail the strat but do not want to go die.

[Demosthenes11]

Request for next SE interview:
"Would you please remove virtue weapons from the game so people can stop coming up with bullshit AV jailer-weapon theories?"

[HAcoreRD]

Might as well dump 18 Kraken dark Knights on it and see what happens

[Hanyoko]

For every step forward we make, there is the few steps back those feel the need to chime in.

As much as I just want SE to unveil the missing information, at the same time I would rather see the players figure it out.

Though this recent news does seem interesting.

Is there anything unique in the .dats related to the nearby spawns thats different then the other areas? Like say east vs west or from the immediate area to slightly further away.

[bamiman]

little tidbit of info incase people havent noticed yet to try...

3 aerns spawn by JoL pop ???...

THEY ARE THE ONLY AERNS THAT DONT RESPAWN SAME JOBS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

they are paired in teams of two... as follows...

blm/rdm
thf/mnk
nin/war

they alternate jobs everytime you kill them.

Now i am mostly sure this is how you stop his instacast meteor... If he does instacast meteor, then kill the rdm/blm mob. I'm pretty darn certain this will cancel out the meteor (ex. if blm is up and he does it then try to keep the rdm up as opposed to the blm aern).

We are currently trying to attempt this, but our LS doesnt have the number of blm's to keep the wynavs down.




If this has been already put out there i do appologize ahead of time... there is only so much one can read on AV via BG (most of it is crap that people just post to get their count up)...

OK let the flames begin YAHOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

My linkshell has tested this twice now. I have tested this out three time when other LS's were "fucking around" with AV and not actually attempting as well on my own...

Now get this...
When focusing on tests for AV i have concluded that this theory is true. Being the most prominant of the 3 aerns there the RDM/BLM one stuck out to me and would be the easiest to test. Tonight it proved this theory, wiping us with it LOL, but meh worth it in the long run (our members are not really willing to try to bring it down after dying multiple times and losing a fuckton of exp but meh it proved some shit for myself and going to make it easier to attempt next time we try it).

OK, main focus was on the RDM/BLM aern. Four out of Five times i have "messed around" with this mob I have kept the RDM aern up. Everytime i have done this there has been one thing that has stuck out in my mind.... I thought AV cast Meteor/Comet... Out of those four times i have kept the RDM aern up i have yet to see either spell being cast.... UNTIL TONIGHT!!!!!!!!!!! The only difference tonight is this......... WE KEPT THE BLM AERN UP AS OPPOSED TO THE RDM AERN!!!!!!!!!!! (this was done wrong actually and was supposed to keep RDM aern up but got lost somewhere in the Linkshell conversation. But managed to prove what i have been trying to do by a mishap in the LS. yay).

The NIN/WAR Aern we have also tested but not really observed as well as we have with the RDM/BLM Aern. I have noticed that Absolute Virtue will only do Mighty Strikes when the WAR Aern is up and only do Mijin Gakure when the NIN aern is up (NIN 2hr is probably just as potent as the Meteor/Comet instacast). Mijin Gakure finished off the remaining of the people in the alliance tonight when the NIN Aern was up after we had mostly wiped to Comet / Meteor from the BLM Aern being up.

Absolute Virtues abilites and 2hrs (not just 2hrs, but also attack speed and everything related to these jobs... ie triple attack, double attack, etc.) are directly linked to these 3 aerns that spawn by Jailer of Love ???. He will not use spells, abilities, etc. from the Aern which is "down" (if rdm is up then blm is "down", if thf is up then mnk is "down", if nin is up then war is "down" and vice versa). This has been proven tonight by my Linkshell GRAVEYARDSHIFT on Phoenix Server with the help/aide of OceansofAltieau LS for letting us fuck around with their AV pop.

Multiple testing has been done from myself and my Linkshell as well as help from other LSs on Pheonix server (OceansofAltieau and Burningcosmosss). Oceans let us attempt shit on their AV with their help. Burningcosmoss when done with an AV attempt one time let us fart around with the aerns there while they were "messing around" with AV.

Thx alot to all those who helped my Linkshell and myself prove this miniscule part of AV... Next on the agenda... try to figure out how to fucking get his Benediction done. And even though this is not everything to defeating Absolute Virtue, I honestly hope our findings help move the progress on AV. One day I would like to see all LS's kill AV like we kill Kirin atm (with ease and laughter).

[Kaylia]

I thought AV used manafont/chainspell at the same time. How is it possible with your theories? And where is the whm aern you can kill to lock bene?