Absolute Virtue Theory

[Ohemgee]

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[Ryko]

Well FTR the current magic damage gimp applies to AV too, assuming you live past the first spell, after that none of AV's spells did more than 200 to our tank (I say tank and not tanks because it decided to fuck me dead with EES off the bat) and he easily held it solo tanking for about 4 minutes, then it popped manafont and the meteor did him in, but after the first one it actually didn't do much (still enough to kill the people who didnt die to the first one though).

Meh

[Wulfgang]

We've popped AV 4-5x, 2-3 of those there was literally no one else in Al'Taieu except for us and we weren't touching any aerns. I think its pop is just pot luck.

[Suiram]

Well FTR the current magic damage gimp applies to AV too, assuming you live past the first spell, after that none of AV's spells did more than 200 to our tank (I say tank and not tanks because it decided to fuck me dead with EES off the bat) and he easily held it solo tanking for about 4 minutes, then it popped manafont and the meteor did him in, but after the first one it actually didn't do much (still enough to kill the people who didnt die to the first one though).

Meh

Did people who died to meteor retain the resistance after they raised up? If so you could just keep tanks alive, and have extra support to backup when the main support dies, then the backup support changes to other jobs when the main support unweakens, who should be able to withstand meteor from then out, right?

[Leeto]

Well FTR the current magic damage gimp applies to AV too, assuming you live past the first spell, after that none of AV's spells did more than 200 to our tank (I say tank and not tanks because it decided to fuck me dead with EES off the bat) and he easily held it solo tanking for about 4 minutes, then it popped manafont and the meteor did him in, but after the first one it actually didn't do much (still enough to kill the people who didnt die to the first one though).

Meh

Did people who died to meteor retain the resistance after they raised up? If so you could just keep tanks alive, and have extra support to backup when the main support dies, then the backup support changes to other jobs when the main support unweakens, who should be able to withstand meteor from then out, right?

Second tank died to a comet (dunno if it goes through utsu but that's definitely what killed him). It walked over to the mages (NIN in the party had joined late), whacked a couple down and then meteored, killing probably all but one or two people. it deaggroed and depopped as we were raising back up. you'd have to have at least one tank survive meteor and an entire second alliance ready to kite manafont or something. Even if you could build resistance to meteor, it would easily one shot a weakened mage (did about 2500 to 75s and 4500 or more to a level1 the first time)

[BRP]

Would be a perfect time to test that BLM lock!

[bamiman]

little tidbit of info incase people havent noticed yet to try...

3 aerns spawn by JoL pop ???...

THEY ARE THE ONLY AERNS THAT DONT RESPAWN SAME JOBS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

they are paired in teams of two... as follows...

blm/rdm
thf/mnk
nin/war

they alternate jobs everytime you kill them.

Now i am mostly sure this is how you stop his instacast meteor... If he does instacast meteor, then kill the rdm/blm mob. I'm pretty darn certain this will cancel out the meteor (ex. if blm is up and he does it then try to keep the rdm up as opposed to the blm aern).

We are currently trying to attempt this, but our LS doesnt have the number of blm's to keep the wynavs down.




If this has been already put out there i do appologize ahead of time... there is only so much one can read on AV via BG (most of it is crap that people just post to get their count up)...

OK let the flames begin YAHOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

My linkshell has tested this twice now. I have tested this out three time when other LS's were "fucking around" with AV and not actually attempting as well on my own...

Now get this...
When focusing on tests for AV i have concluded that this theory is true. Being the most prominant of the 3 aerns there the RDM/BLM one stuck out to me and would be the easiest to test. Tonight it proved this theory, wiping us with it LOL, but meh worth it in the long run (our members are not really willing to try to bring it down after dying multiple times and losing a fuckton of exp but meh it proved some shit for myself and going to make it easier to attempt next time we try it).

OK, main focus was on the RDM/BLM aern. Four out of Five times i have "messed around" with this mob I have kept the RDM aern up. Everytime i have done this there has been one thing that has stuck out in my mind.... I thought AV cast Meteor/Comet... Out of those four times i have kept the RDM aern up i have yet to see either spell being cast.... UNTIL TONIGHT!!!!!!!!!!! The only difference tonight is this......... WE KEPT THE BLM AERN UP AS OPPOSED TO THE RDM AERN!!!!!!!!!!! (this was done wrong actually and was supposed to keep RDM aern up but got lost somewhere in the Linkshell conversation. But managed to prove what i have been trying to do by a mishap in the LS. yay).

The NIN/WAR Aern we have also tested but not really observed as well as we have with the RDM/BLM Aern. I have noticed that Absolute Virtue will only do Mighty Strikes when the WAR Aern is up and only do Mijin Gakure when the NIN aern is up (NIN 2hr is probably just as potent as the Meteor/Comet instacast). Mijin Gakure finished off the remaining of the people in the alliance tonight when the NIN Aern was up after we had mostly wiped to Comet / Meteor from the BLM Aern being up.

Absolute Virtues abilites and 2hrs (not just 2hrs, but also attack speed and everything related to these jobs... ie triple attack, double attack, etc.) are directly linked to these 3 aerns that spawn by Jailer of Love ???. He will not use spells, abilities, etc. from the Aern which is "down" (if rdm is up then blm is "down", if thf is up then mnk is "down", if nin is up then war is "down" and vice versa). This has been proven tonight by my Linkshell GRAVEYARDSHIFT on Phoenix Server with the help/aide of OceansofAltieau LS for letting us fuck around with their AV pop.

Multiple testing has been done from myself and my Linkshell as well as help from other LSs on Pheonix server (OceansofAltieau and Burningcosmosss). Oceans let us attempt shit on their AV with their help. Burningcosmoss when done with an AV attempt one time let us fart around with the aerns there while they were "messing around" with AV.

Thx alot to all those who helped my Linkshell and myself prove this miniscule part of AV... Next on the agenda... try to figure out how to fucking get his Benediction done. And even though this is not everything to defeating Absolute Virtue, I honestly hope our findings help move the progress on AV. One day I would like to see all LS's kill AV like we kill Kirin atm (with ease and laughter).

This works try this next time then you wont have to worry bout manafont/comet/meteor. Although you'd have to worry about chainspell Tornado2/Aero5/Aeroga4. But one tank dying to that as opposed to the whole alliance dying to meteor is well worth it. Spreading tanks out and tanking like you do JoL is probably the best method on doing this. Keep in mind that the 3 aerns by where JoL is popped link to him. So best place to tank AV would probably be on the borderline of the Water/Land in that bay near where JoL pops (few aerns spawn or are ever around there).

[sekaran]

So if the Aern is just dead.. what then?

[Demosthenes11]

can we please have a coherently intelligent person test this stuff instead of me having to read this train wreck?

I can confirm our AV pop (at least one of them) happened when 0 aerns were killed as well

[Kaylia]

Second tank died to a comet (dunno if it goes through utsu but that's definitely what killed him). It walked over to the mages (NIN in the party had joined late), whacked a couple down and then meteored, killing probably all but one or two people. it deaggroed and depopped as we were raising back up. you'd have to have at least one tank survive meteor and an entire second alliance ready to kite manafont or something. Even if you could build resistance to meteor, it would easily one shot a weakened mage (did about 2500 to 75s and 4500 or more to a level1 the first time)

A level 3 WHM could hold AV forever using "dia" and reraise. Have a brd cast reraise song on the whm, disband, whm cast dia, dies and reraise. The dot should prevent him from regen'ing, and no one lose xp while you hold AV.

[Leeto]

Second tank died to a comet (dunno if it goes through utsu but that's definitely what killed him). It walked over to the mages (NIN in the party had joined late), whacked a couple down and then meteored, killing probably all but one or two people. it deaggroed and depopped as we were raising back up. you'd have to have at least one tank survive meteor and an entire second alliance ready to kite manafont or something. Even if you could build resistance to meteor, it would easily one shot a weakened mage (did about 2500 to 75s and 4500 or more to a level1 the first time)

A level 3 WHM could hold AV forever using "dia" and reraise. Have a brd cast reraise song on the whm, disband, whm cast dia, dies and reraise. The dot should prevent him from regen'ing, and no one lose xp while you hold AV.

Dia does not last. The level 1 was there for the exact reason you stated

[Suiram]

Yeah for whatever reason, unlike with other mobs DoTs will instantly wear off AV the moment he goes hate-free. I might be able to dig up a screenshot of casting Bio and having it wear the moment I died if needed.

[Slott]

Depuration.

[fantasticdan]

I don't think he uses TP move to get rid of it, just disappears. A lot of BC mobs do the same thing, like in the colibri isnm for example.

[Phraust]

Do all the Wynavs pop the same job? and do they change accordingly?

If they don't, perhaps 'locking' for the rest of the abilities could be achieved again by killing seleve Wynavs untill they were all the same job, then doing the old technique of killing em all at the same time to lock it.

If they do all spawn as a mutual job, then well... back to the drawing board.

[Neosutra]

Do all the Wynavs pop the same job? and do they change accordingly?

If they don't, perhaps 'locking' for the rest of the abilities could be achieved again by killing seleve Wynavs untill they were all the same job, then doing the old technique of killing em all at the same time to lock it.

If they do all spawn as a mutual job, then well... back to the drawing board.

Ya i asked that question about 4 posts up.

Have to test it next time it pops.

[Kaylia]

Yeah for whatever reason, unlike with other mobs DoTs will instantly wear off AV the moment he goes hate-free. I might be able to dig up a screenshot of casting Bio and having it wear the moment I died if needed.

Really? I don't remember dot wearring off instantly, but again, the only thing I remember is the sound of people dying left and right.

[Suiram]

I found the screenshots, here's the relevant portion of chatlog:

http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/5...biotestqp8.jpg

As I remember, I had died and reraised shortly before, something went wrong with the Lv1 saccer (Pika) so I sacced on BLM, so it went hate-free as soon as I'd died.

[Kaylia]

Can you stick it longer than that in a long fight? I know bio/dia was lasting 3sec on Almatia when we tried to duo it, so maybe it's just the same for AV.

Guess you need 5 level sac1 to prevent regen. Suicide rotation.

[Wizrow]

I hate to join this thread, but I have to ask if anyone has positive proof of the locations AV has used bene at. I know for sure the WoJ, if surrounding mobs have some relationship with AVs two hour, I wouldn't be surprised if there was a WHM aern within 50' distance from the WoJ.