New JP Interview re: Expansion

[Amele]

And yes I know RDM doesn't get Sleepga I was just making a point about bitching that they do/don't get a spell they focus in.

redmage was never focused on crowd control.

and again: what's with the haste II? is haste I cost/duration/effect not sufficient? which dial would you even turn on it?

my money is against time mage, but I've been wrong once already about wotg jobs (specifically: that there were any at all. lol)

[Kaslo]

But RDMs are sleepers and sleepga is enfeebling magic a rdm's cup of tea, that's what I was getting at just showing how retarded bitching about not getting something can be.

And Haste II is just something players have been crying for and as we have seen with CoP updates SE likes to help people who cry.

[Rocl]

I've honestly never heard of Haste 2 until this thread.

[Khamsin]

But RDMs are sleepers and sleepga is enfeebling magic a rdm's cup of tea, that's what I was getting at just showing how retarded bitching about not getting something can be.

And Haste II is just something players have been crying for and as we have seen with CoP updates SE likes to help people who cry.

Well, it could also be that, aside from Diaga, RDM were not meant to have AoE ability.

[Septimus]

But RDMs are sleepers and sleepga is enfeebling magic a rdm's cup of tea, that's what I was getting at just showing how retarded bitching about not getting something can be.

And Haste II is just something players have been crying for and as we have seen with CoP updates SE likes to help people who cry.

Well, it could also be that, aside from Diaga, RDM were not meant to have AoE ability.

Phalanx II was originally AoE Phalanx in the dat files. (Cost 99 MP.) But we see how that was changed. >_>

[Amele]

But RDMs are sleepers and sleepga is enfeebling magic a rdm's cup of tea, that's what I was getting at just showing how retarded bitching about not getting something can be.

And Haste II is just something players have been crying for and as we have seen with CoP updates SE likes to help people who cry.

sleepga is crowd control. something that (ignoring subjobs for a moment) rdm is notoriously -bad- at. like rocl, this is the first thread I've seen referencing a better haste. (usually it's higher tier time-based enfeebles.)

again, just because different roles overlap skills doesn't make something a focus of the job. (would you say that a paladin's focus is divine spell-nuking because they get Holy? didn't think so.)

[Sagacious Sundi]

Phalanx II was originally AoE Phalanx in the dat files. (Cost 99 MP.) But we see how that was changed. >_>

They were probably like "Well, it isn't Phalanxra so it has to be single-target."

sleepga is crowd control. something that (ignoring subjobs for a moment) rdm is notoriously -bad- at. like rocl, this is the first thread I've seen referencing a better haste. (usually it's higher tier time-based enfeebles.)

I think Hastega/Slowga/Comet/Meteor are usually mentioned in time mage ideas, but then again I used to skim most time mage posts because I used to not like the idea of the job. Oddly, a lot of people seem to forget about Bind and Gravity, which tend to not even be mentioned in time mage posts (I think).

[Churchill]

With TIM in the foray, Madawc could swing even faster with his Kraken Club.

[Septimus]

Phalanx II was originally AoE Phalanx in the dat files. (Cost 99 MP.) But we see how that was changed. >_>

They were probably like "Well, it isn't Phalanxra so it has to be single-target."

More likely they said "This is far to useful and cost effective, Red Mages may have neither- let us make it single target, more expensive, and less potent."

Actually, there are several more ga spells in the dat files assigned to Red Mage- Slowga, Paralyga, Silencga, and Blindna off of the top of my head. (They are also assigned to WHM or BLM depending on the type of spell.)

[LinktheDeme]

Phalanx II was originally AoE Phalanx in the dat files. (Cost 99 MP.) But we see how that was changed. >_>

They were probably like "Well, it isn't Phalanxra so it has to be single-target."

More likely they said "This is far to useful and cost effective, Red Mages may have neither- let us make it single target, more expensive, and less potent."

Actually, there are several more ga spells in the dat files assigned to Red Mage- Slowga, Paralyga, Silencga, and Blindna off of the top of my head. (They are also assigned to WHM or BLM depending on the type of spell.)

WHMS already have that...

[Lordwafik]

You sure got him there!!

http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/7...edalrevlt9.gif
All yours :D

[Septimus]

Phalanx II was originally AoE Phalanx in the dat files. (Cost 99 MP.) But we see how that was changed. >_>

They were probably like "Well, it isn't Phalanxra so it has to be single-target."

More likely they said "This is far to useful and cost effective, Red Mages may have neither- let us make it single target, more expensive, and less potent."

Actually, there are several more ga spells in the dat files assigned to Red Mage- Slowga, Paralyga, Silencga, and Blindna off of the top of my head. (They are also assigned to WHM or BLM depending on the type of spell.)

WHMS already have that...

Yes, because obviously since every other spell I wrote on that list was a "ga", obviously I didn't mistype "blindga".

[Sagacious Sundi]

There's also Graviga, Bindga, Dispelga, Breakga (and of course Break), and Gravity II. Not sure if Break(ga) is listed for any jobs, but it's black magic so BLM/RDM if anything.

[Septimus]

There's also Graviga, Bindga, Dispelga, Breakga (and of course Break), and Gravity II. Not sure if Break(ga) is listed for any jobs, but it's black magic so BLM/RDM if anything.

Curse and Virus as well. It would be awesome to land curse on an HNM off the bat to remove 10% HP. (Of course you wouldn't be able to land it on anything that matters...)

[fantasticdan]

There's also Graviga, Bindga, Dispelga, Breakga (and of course Break), and Gravity II. Not sure if Break(ga) is listed for any jobs, but it's black magic so BLM/RDM if anything.

Curse and Virus as well. It would be awesome to land curse on an HNM off the bat to remove 10% HP. (Of course you wouldn't be able to land it on anything that matters...)

Virus only stops you from recovering HP/MP while resting, so I don't think you really want that one, lol. Is there a plague spell in the dats as well? That one would make a lot more sense to give to players. Well blu already has it, but lowing sucks.

[Septimus]

There's also Graviga, Bindga, Dispelga, Breakga (and of course Break), and Gravity II. Not sure if Break(ga) is listed for any jobs, but it's black magic so BLM/RDM if anything.

Curse and Virus as well. It would be awesome to land curse on an HNM off the bat to remove 10% HP. (Of course you wouldn't be able to land it on anything that matters...)

Virus only stops you from recovering HP/MP while resting, so I don't think you really want that one, lol. Is there a plague spell in the dats as well? That one would make a lot more sense to give to players. Well blu already has it, but lowing sucks.

Virus was in the dats before CoP, so chances are it is just the crappy no recovery from resting kind. The only way I can see it being useful is if it is very long-lasting (10-15 minutes) and you can use it on NM/HNM in case you wipe to keep them from recovering HP. Even then it would still be lame and you would never be able to land it on anything that mattered.

Plague would be a much better spell, and that's why we would never get it.

[deivi]

just d/l altanaview, you can see animations for all kinds of spells we'll never get

[Sagacious Sundi]

Wait, is it virus and plague are both "diseases", or disease and plague are both viruses?
Also, is Curse enfeebling or dark? Or, at least, would RDM get it?

I also just found out there's Invisiblra/Sneakra/Deodorizra in the .dats. Same goes for Confuse (I knew it was planned as an effect, not as a spell...probably would've been enemy-only anyway.)

[Bakthi]

It would be awesome to land curse on an HNM off the bat to remove 10% HP. (Of course you wouldn't be able to land it on anything that matters...)

viewtopic.php?f=31&t=18427&p=563635&hilit=ouryu+cu rse#p563635

speaking of that post, has anyone tried darkshotting someone who is cursed from blm jse? i know tossing a blm at some of the bigger mobs to curse them and cut off a chunk of their HP to open is something that's done sometimes. if you could amp that up with a darkshot and get a few more % for free, that might be interesting.

When we do Ouryu we have a BLM pull him and get hit once, when curse procs it removes like 7% of his HP lol.

Reading further down the thread, it appears that this works on lots of stuff. Not exactly what you wanted, I'm sure, but there it is.

[fantasticdan]

Wait, is it virus and plague are both "diseases", or disease and plague are both viruses?
Also, is Curse enfeebling or dark? Or, at least, would RDM get it?

I also just found out there's Invisiblra/Sneakra/Deodorizra in the .dats. Same goes for Confuse (I knew it was planned as an effect, not as a spell...probably would've been enemy-only anyway.)

I just realized I was wrong in my previous post, disease is the status effect that prevents you from resting back HP/MP. However viruna removes both, so you could say they are both 'virus status effects'.

And apparently virus is casted by a drk funguar nm in game, according to wiki anyway, and it inflicts plague:

http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/Mycophile