Harry Potter Spoilars!

[Keno]

Mind if I ask which fanfic you're referring to? I haven't been trolling any of the other HP threads.

[evilbau]

The final book was pretty dissapointing ;\. There were like maybe 200-300 pages in that 700 page fluff that was really worth getting into. I love'd all the books up to this point, whether they were weak or not, they still held the spark that was in the books. This book, however, was really just a horrible way to end a great series.

What happened to everything? The whole prophecy, the horcruxes , the power which he knew not, etc. They all got snubbed out for the deathly hallows which when you think about it, didn't play as big a part in the book than it was really worth all the trouble of inventing. There were just so many things wrong with the final book I don't even know where to begin.

In fact to hell with the final book lol, i'm just going to take the fan book posted in the other thread as the final book. Least that was really well done and answered almost everything anyone who's been following the series could ask for.

I will agree the deathly hallows were given too much play considering how much they play into the final equation (little or nothing) but it reinforces the point dumbledore had about it being a waste of harry's time/focus. Now, whether devoting the NAME of the book and so much time on those topics may be unnecessary, and that there were no "OMG" moments like some of the other books (I swear to god, my sister, who is 9 years older than I am, asked me if I really thought Dumbledore was dead for MONTHS), I liked the ending and I felt it was a good end for the main characters. Things end up lovely in a Capra-esque sort of way which is exactly how this type of story should end. Harry gets obsessed about something like he always does (which the reader is supposed to identify with) so that R.K. can try to throw a curve ball at the end to surprise the reader.

[aznmajiktaru]

Mind if I ask which fanfic you're referring to? I haven't been trolling any of the other HP threads.

http://rs7.rapidshare.com/files/3674145 ... allows.rar

that one. Admittidly there might be a bit too much kissing and stuff in there but otherwise I felt the author did a pretty superb job in picking up all the clues in the other books and tying them all up.

The ending for the characters Rowling gave was predictable and it's fine that it is predictable but I really didn't think she would just end it all in one short scene that everyone saw coming from a mile away. It seems like it was more likely set up so that she could write more later, infact it feels like she left it this way with so many questions unanswered so she could just write more later. Guess we won't know for sure till Rowling says something.

[Keno]

I suppose my two mains gripes about book 7 are that I found it far too predictable and that I expected Harry to have more power than he did... I don't know, the latter gripe could just be seen as wishful thinking, but the first 100 pages certainly hinted at some hidden power that Harry might begin to learn to use (when his wand acts of it's own accord and shoots fire at Voldemort).

EDIT: Just glanced over the fanfic you linked me to, and of course this may not be entirely accurate because I obviously haven't read it yet, but it seems like the author fell into amateur writing pitfall number 1: writing a novel like it's a screenplay.

[poland]

wow.. that's really long lolo back 2 reading

[Axil]

T'was epic

[Sixtail]

Still doesn't change the fact that these books suck ;o

People scream how much these books suck, yet ignore how many more people are reading now or the fact that JK's 17 year epic has outsold most of the stuff they proudly claim to be better. I bet you think "The Crying of Lot 49" sucks too.

[Ivve]

I actually enjoyed it a lot, despite the predictability of the ending. I didn't think that the prophecy got snubbed at all, really. I felt that it had been pretty thoroughly explained and dissected in the previous book. We knew that it could have meant him or Neville, and it only applied to him because Voldemort made that choice. The powers to which it could have been referring were many: love and the protection given to him by his mother's love, the various powers given to him by Voldemort, such as Parseltongue, the ability to see into Voldemort's mind, and ultimately the ability to truly kill him and remove him from the earth permenantly because Harry held a piece of his soul, his bravery, his ability to think and act quickly in clutch situations. None of those things are things that he would have known before everything unfolded as it did. I thought it would have been contrary to the point to give him superhuman powers or abilities. He was just an ordinary kid that was put into an extraordinary situation due to the choices made by other people.

As for the hallows, I thought the addition was fine and fit. Harry does tend to obsess over certain things, so it's no surprise that he found a new thing and latched on. I thought that Voldemort seeking out the wand also fit, just knowing his lust for power, and his trust in powerful magical objects with historical value. I did not like, however, that Harry reunited the three and then... did nothing. I thought it would have been better to destroy them, to deter future wizards from pursuing them, especially after being told that the items can disappear and be hidden for decades, but eventually resurface again. The wand especially, but the other items as well. The whole ring in the woods thing seemed very open-ended to me.

It did suck that Snape died the way he did, but I kind of expected it. I thought that Voldemort would just find out about his double-agent role and kill him for that, though. After reviewing his memories, I just felt sad for him that Snape had chosen the death eaters over Lily. My pity is somewhat limited, though. Their main aim and concern was always to get rid of (or maybe enslave?) both muggles and muggle-born wizards, and he entered into that group with that knowledge as well as the knowledge that he loved someone who was muggle-born. A stupid and really kind of nonsense decision, but I guess we all make mistakes. It's too bad that she never gave him a second chance. Maybe he would have been a different person altogether.

Also, awwwww Hedwig! Sucks some balls. I wish Harry had just opened the cage and instructed her to fly somewhere. I doubt they would have bothered to kill the owl.

Man, Lupin and Tonks both dying. I guessed that Lupin would die, because it kind of rounds out all the parental-type figures that were both part of his life and his parents' life. How unfortunate that they'd just had a child, too! It's good to know that they at least had a good little piece of time together, and that Harry successfully persuaded Lupin to go back to his pregnant wife. What a dick, seriously considering bailing on her. The fact that he pretty much had to be guilted into it, though, made me lose a lot of respect for him.

Not happy about Fred dying. It seemed unnecessary. Very happy that Percy reunited with the family before that happened, though. It would have been too sad if he'd died without that information.

Also, the fire in the room of requirement, holy shit. Lol @ Crabbe, should have left Malfoy. I wonder if it'll still be on fire when someone opens the door next, if it can still be opened.

That's all for now.

P.S. There's no law that states that every book written has to either alter the course of human history with its significance or be universally liked. If you don't like it, who gives a fuck? Get out of the Harry Potter thread, go read a better book or something.

[Sixtail]

I actually enjoyed it a lot, despite the predictability of the ending. I didn't think that the prophecy got snubbed at all, really. I felt that it had been pretty thoroughly explained and dissected in the previous book. We knew that it could have meant him or Neville, and it only applied to him because Voldemort made that choice. The powers to which it could have been referring were many: love and the protection given to him by his mother's love, the various powers given to him by Voldemort, such as Parseltongue, the ability to see into Voldemort's mind, and ultimately the ability to truly kill him and remove him from the earth permenantly because Harry held a piece of his soul, his bravery, his ability to think and act quickly in clutch situations. None of those things are things that he would have known before everything unfolded as it did. I thought it would have been contrary to the point to give him superhuman powers or abilities. He was just an ordinary kid that was put into an extraordinary situation due to the choices made by other people.

As for the hallows, I thought the addition was fine and fit. Harry does tend to obsess over certain things, so it's no surprise that he found a new thing and latched on. I thought that Voldemort seeking out the wand also fit, just knowing his lust for power, and his trust in powerful magical objects with historical value. I did not like, however, that Harry reunited the three and then... did nothing. I thought it would have been better to destroy them, to deter future wizards from pursuing them, especially after being told that the items can disappear and be hidden for decades, but eventually resurface again. The wand especially, but the other items as well. The whole ring in the woods thing seemed very open-ended to me.

It did suck that Snape died the way he did, but I kind of expected it. I thought that Voldemort would just find out about his double-agent role and kill him for that, though. After reviewing his memories, I just felt sad for him that Snape had chosen the death eaters over Lily. My pity is somewhat limited, though. Their main aim and concern was always to get rid of (or maybe enslave?) both muggles and muggle-born wizards, and he entered into that group with that knowledge as well as the knowledge that he loved someone who was muggle-born. A stupid and really kind of nonsense decision, but I guess we all make mistakes. It's too bad that she never gave him a second chance. Maybe he would have been a different person altogether.

Also, awwwww Hedwig! Sucks some balls. I wish Harry had just opened the cage and instructed her to fly somewhere. I doubt they would have bothered to kill the owl.

Man, Lupin and Tonks both dying. I guessed that Lupin would die, because it kind of rounds out all the parental-type figures that were both part of his life and his parents' life. How unfortunate that they'd just had a child, too! It's good to know that they at least had a good little piece of time together, and that Harry successfully persuaded Lupin to go back to his pregnant wife. What a dick, seriously considering bailing on her. The fact that he pretty much had to be guilted into it, though, made me lose a lot of respect for him.

Not happy about Fred dying. It seemed unnecessary. Very happy that Percy reunited with the family before that happened, though. It would have been too sad if he'd died without that information.

Also, the fire in the room of requirement, holy shit. Lol @ Crabbe, should have left Malfoy. I wonder if it'll still be on fire when someone opens the door next, if it can still be opened.

That's all for now.

P.S. There's no law that states that every book written has to either alter the course of human history with its significance or be universally liked. If you don't like it, who gives a fuck? Get out of the Harry Potter thread, go read a better book or something.

Bravo. I wasn't happy about Fred dieing myself, but looking back on it, you just knew one of Ron's family was going to die. Myself what I don't get is how people think they knew who was going to live and wasn't, if they started reading like I did, while a character shield might have been in place, she did a great job of hiding it till the very end, when Harry did die, but came back. Only after he came back did I think Ron, Ginny and Herminoe had a chance to live. I sometimes think JK's children or the fans may have been a factor in Harry getting the chance to come back from the dead, I don't doubt she wanted to kill him because now she has to deal with the chance of people using Harry and Ginny's children or whatnot.

Lupin's behavior was..out of character in a way and in a way it wasn't. All three of his other friends had died fighting Voldemort and like Harry said, he had gotten a bit of Siruis within him and that along with the death of Dumbledore had given the man a huge death wish, one that marrying Tonks and having a kid didn't fully erase, though in the end, both parents ran to fight so that their child might have a brigher future. My biggest gripe on the book is that the battle scene was too short and we did not fully get a chance to deal with the impact that came from the 50 people who died holding off Voldemort's forces. Learning both Tonks and Lupin died at the end of it was annoying, they at least deserved their few lines detailing their death. I think at this point JK was just tired of the killing and likely worried that the sheer amount of death that had happened up till this point was too much.

The Deathly Hollows were a intresting plot point, though I wish they had shown up in book five instead of seven because now people will focus too much on them and claim they were unneeded when they do fittingly tie in with Dumbledore's background. As for what happened to them, well the Cloak will stay within Potter's family, the wand will become harmless when he dies and the ring's in a place it's likely never to be found and even if it is, everyone in the Wizarding World largerly thinks the three items are part of a children's story..and the ring is largely harmless, plus it's in the Forbidden Forest of all places.

The Snape/Lilly connection also very well done. She tried to give him chances, many, many chances but he was too full of a want of revenge and stupid to take those chances given and she just couldn't wait any longer.

Is the book perfect? No. But it was ended as well as it could be and after the stampede of idiots screaming "OMG BOOK SEVEN IS THE SUXXOR" dies down, it will pass the test of ages and end up right up where where dozens of other writers have, as part of the backbone of good reading. She's no Tolken, true, but she never set out to be.

[Ivve]

@sixtail:

To me, it seems as though the ring is dangerous in a Mirror of Erised kind of way. In the tale about the three brothers, one of them used it to live with his dead wife for a period of time and ultimately lost his mind. At the very least, it seems like an item that should be retrieved and protected. Perhaps given to the ministry to study, perhaps locked away safe in his vault at Gringott's, perhaps just flat-out destroyed somehow.

The cloak seems pretty harmless.

The wand, who knows? I don't see why it should be impossible for it to choose another wizard after the previous one dies, unless Ollivander mentioned that and I've already forgotten it. I plan to reread a second time, more slowly, so I'll catch things I may have missed or forgotten on the first read. I wish that there had been a little more time devoted to wandlore, though, to put to rest any misgivings about allowing an object like that to continue to exist.

Does it make me a bad person that I might have enjoyed the book more if Harry really had died killing Voldemort?

[Sixtail]

Well I need to re-read it myself. I spent four hours yesterday with my LP off going though it as fast as possable for fear in game idiots would spoil it for me.
If i'm correct however, the stone is damaged in some fashion, Harry's Parents and Sirius only showed up very briefly. I'm sure Harry will find some place for it to be.

And no, your not a bad person. Most of the critics will harp on that very same thing i'm sure. For most people it will be more of a let down he didn't die.

[Odesseiron]

Well I need to re-read it myself. I spent four hours yesterday with my LP off going though it as fast as possable for fear in game idiots would spoil it for me.
If i'm correct however, the stone is damaged in some fashion, Harry's Parents and Sirius only showed up very briefly. I'm sure Harry will find some place for it to be.

And no, your not a bad person. Most of the critics will harp on that very same thing i'm sure. For most people it will be more of a let down he didn't die.

Heh, yeah I did the same thing. I got out of work yesterday, and it was delivered at my house, much to my surprise.

I wanted to really to get WAR to 59, but I was just kind of afraid there would be jackasses shouting spoilers all over whitegate. I mean, this IS FFXI we are talking about.

Anyway, I disconnected and read the whole thing. I read for about 7-8 hours straight. I usually take my time with the books, and don't speed read, so I don't miss anything important. I think it was a really well written book.

Some of the deaths were unexpected to me, killing off Hedwig was just weird. And Dobby dying.. was just sad.. but he saved the person who set him free, so it was okay.. really a hero's death. Fred dying seems a bit unnecessary, but at least the Weasleys got Perce back. He kind of redeemed himself in the end. I was happy to see him come back. Tonks and Lupin dying also I wasn't expecting, it just seemed like a bit too much. She kinda got out of control with the deaths at the end.. just killing off characters for the sake of killing them. Like Creevy? Why did he have to die? That's just nitpicking, but I was very pleased with how it ended.

The Hallows were introduced very well, IMO and did not feel too "forced" or anything. JK always has a few surprises in her books, and the introduction to all of these items I think was a welcome addition.

I think I laughed out loud at 3 in the morning when I saw that whole Molly Weasley screaming "YOU BITCH" line.. it was just funny.

One little thing that did bother me though, was the whole Slytherin locket thing. I don't know why nobody else has really touched on this subject, but I couldn't help but think of Lord of the Rings the entire time when they had the locket. It was way too similar in that aspect. Wearing it around their necks, it leaving a scar on Harry's chest like the One Ring did to Frodo, and everyone fighting with each other. She could've done a bit more with that I think, than just borrowing already used and widely known about fiction.

But.. that's kind of her style. And (I'll probably get flamed to hell for this) but as much as I love the HP series (and I really do) a lot of her writing is just reused fiction, just kind of melded in her own way. I don't mean any disrespect towards her, because I think for the most part it is a very creative series. There are just some things in each novel that are too similar to other books.

[Bartylby]

i started to tear up at the emotion of the moment when he was digging the grave for dobby, and they came down my face when he read his tombstone.

[Axil]

The series being over feels worse than being dumped

[Cesaria]

Does it make me a cruel heartless bitch if I cheered when Dobby finally died?

[Axil]

Ya fuck you dobby dying was one of the worst things evaaaar

[Exoduso]

No, fuck dobby.

[Siniroth]

No, fuck dobby.

Thank you!

[Ksandra]

ok so I read the book all the way through yesterday and I really liked it.

Little bothered me except some of the writing seemed kind of rushed. Like that she skimmed over parts that she would have liked to put in but maybe felt the book was getting too long.

There's just one explination that I need to know. Something she wrote in the last chapter made no sense to me. It's not like a huge thing but if it's true then it really shows that she rushed to get it done which saddens me a little.

Tonks and Lupin's son was already born when the fighting started at Hogwarts. But Harry's son says he saw Teddy kissing on the train in the last chapter. The last chapter = 19 years later which means Teddy would have been to old to still be at the school. Which makes no sense. Again it's a small detail but makes it seem like she wasn't thinking things through when she wrote the end.

[TheCursedGatts]

Probably a bastard for this but I went to the computer station (about ten PCs) at my local library and set all the screen savers to a marquee of, THESE PEOPLE DIE IN HARRY POTTER: (list of names)