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    Quote Originally Posted by Xerlic
    How did Neville pull the Sword from the Sorting Hat? The goblin ran off with it. I remember in Book 2 Harry did the same thing when fighting the Basilisk. Can any Gryffindor pull the Sword out of the Hat?
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    After Harry and Ron returned from the Chamber of Secrets in the second book, Dumbledore told Harry that "Only a true Gryffindor could have pulled [the sword] out of the hat." Since it's not specifically addressed within the text how Neville was able to get it when Griphook ran off with it, I believe we're left to assume that after Godric Gryffindor received the sword from the goblins, he placed his own enchantments upon the sword, allowing any such "true Gryffindor" to retrieve it from the Sorting Hat (Which, incidentally, also belonged to Godric Gryffindor, as stated in the Sorting Hat's song in GoF) regardless of where it was at the time. After all, when Harry retrieved it from the Sorting Hat while fighting the Basilisk, it seemed to just materialize out of nowhere, much the way it did for Neville.

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    In CoS, Dumbledore says that only a true Gryffindor could pull the sword out of the hat. Neville really did step it up in this book and considering the situation, the sword came when they needed it.

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    Actually I don't believe it was because Harry united all 3 of the deathly hallows that allowed him to survive the killing curse in the forest. I believe it was because Voldemort used Harry's blood for his regeneration which, yes gave him the protection Harry had, but it also served as a double edged sword for him.

    Actually it's explained quite clearly in the book, because Voldemort took Harry's blood the enchantment that was invoked due to Lily's sacrifice lives on within Voldemort as well. It was said that as long as Voldemort is alive he keeps that enchantment alive which in turn would keep Harry alive because the enchantment was still there.

    That brings up a bunch of questions too, i'm sure. Like if that's true we could argue that the piece of Voldemort that was in Harry was the piece that got killed off because it wasn't under the enchantment but then at the end how come Voldemort does die if Harry's still alive and the enchantment is still in place? I guess the arguement about the elder wand being the all powerful wand could break past the enchantment and kill Voldemort would probably be the only reasonable explaination bleh enough of that.

    Like I said before the deathly hallows, given the amount of attention and back story that they were given, didn't play as *big* as a role than they should've in the final battle. I mean even after uniting them nothing significant happened at all. An invisibility cloak that could withstand spells(spells here being stuff that tried to affect the cloak not actually block them for the wearer) sure it was special, but then again we were also told Moody had an invisibility cloak. Let's face it, how many people go walking around whispering accio cloak to see if there's anyone invisible there?

    The ressurrection stone? ok so you had an item that could bring back people's echo type things back from the dead. It served as a way to provide closure to the readers and like the cloak, didn't prove all that great to help kill off Voldemort.

    The bit about wandlore was very interesting and probably coulda been expanded on more. The all powerful wand played it's part well but i'm still cheesed off that Voldemort dies by a backfiring curse, again.

    A few other things hacked me off was how the cup wasn't so cleverly hidden behind enchantments and obstacles set by Voldemort. I was looking forward to seeing how they would've found and figure out how to dispose of it .

    Harry's use of unforgivable curses was also a big wtfff? He's supposed to be the hero, the good guy and he's using something explicitly stated was taboo in his world. I wouldn't have minded if he used Avada to off Voldemort because that woulda been expected since he needed to kill him. I was glad that when he tried the cruciatus on Bellatrix in book 5 and failed because righteous anger just doesn't work; I did not expect him to be able to use it and really didn't want him to be able to use it. Harry's use of unforgivables was just ugh for me, I mean if Rowling wrote it off so easily with him using it why not just continue with him using it in a number of situations after that point?

    I enjoy'd the book but really I thought only the starting and ending were worth reading, about 300-400 pages ? Vaguely remember giving this 3/5 stars or something .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Remy0
    well they both felt the wand was the "dumber" of the hallows iirc. and the ring is lost in the heart of the forbidden forest. Most people don't even believe they exist, and as dumbeldore said 1 person in a million is meant to find all three. Also I'm sure that they are undestroyable sinc ethe stone still worked after being broken and the cloak never faded or ripped.
    It just kind of bothered me that out of the few people who did believe in the hallows, look who they were! You have Voldemort, Grindelwald, and Dumbledore, all of whom are extraordinarily gifted and powerful wizards -- all of which managed to hunt down one or more of these objects. Then you also have crazies like Mr. Lovegood, but the wand itself has been said to have a long and bloody history. I'd be willing to bet that the type of person who would seek that kind of object are not the people who should ever get their hands on it. Regardless, the best thing to do, it seems to me, would be to at least keep tabs on all of those objects. Don't tell anyone about retrieving the ring or keeping the wand, but lock that shit up somewhere. I don't know, it bothered me that they all think that Voldemort is the be-all and end-all of bad wizards. I'm sure that more will come along. It just seemed awful careless not to safeguard against that happening after everything they just went through.


    as for the Nazi thing it was more than the genocide; Voldemort had his own gestapo with the snatchers, the radio program, they had those during hitlers reign of power to tell people about resistance and of deaths, and more that I forget because its 3am.
    I know what you mean. It did remind me of that, with people having to register if they weren't pure-blood, people fleeing the country to escape persecution, etc. I think she may have taken some idea from that whole era, but I really can't imagine that it could go any other way in a situation like that. What other options would you have in that environment?

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    well they both felt the wand was the "dumber" of the hallows iirc. and the ring is lost in the heart of the forbidden forest. Most people don't even believe they exist, and as dumbeldore said 1 person in a million is meant to find all three. Also I'm sure that they are undestroyable sinc ethe stone still worked after being broken and the cloak never faded or ripped.
    It just kind of bothered me that out of the few people who did believe in the hallows, look who they were! You have Voldemort, Grindelwald, and Dumbledore, all of whom are extraordinarily gifted and powerful wizards -- all of which managed to hunt down one or more of these objects. Then you also have crazies like Mr. Lovegood, but the wand itself has been said to have a long and bloody history. I'd be willing to bet that the type of person who would seek that kind of object are not the people who should ever get their hands on it. Regardless, the best thing to do, it seems to me, would be to at least keep tabs on all of those objects. Don't tell anyone about retrieving the ring or keeping the wand, but lock that shit up somewhere. I don't know, it bothered me that they all think that Voldemort is the be-all and end-all of bad wizards. I'm sure that more will come along. It just seemed awful careless not to safeguard against that happening after everything they just went through.
    I can understand that, but think about it this way. Harry dropped the stone in the middle of the Forbidden Forest, most likely in a place he could not find again without a decent amount of time spent searching. No one knew he had the stone either, so they won't be searching for it in places that he had been. The chances seem very slim of anyone actually finding the stone while they were looking for it, making it (probably) safer than it would be elsewhere.

    The wand I could see keeping under lock and key and enchantment and whatever else possible, because people know about it, and most likely rumor would blow it up to be even more than it really is. Despite this the latter part of the Harry Potter series has shown us that in this world even the most seemingly unattainable items are always within reach, even against the most impossible odds. Horcruxes, Hallows, and everything else was found, destroyed, put to use or whatever else and there is no reason the Hallows would not again, despite any amount of security. Not saying it's a bad idea though.

    It's very early in the morning now and I can't follow my own thoughts, so I scarcely expect anyone else to.

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    I hate there wont be anymore books

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xerlic
    Then it seems that Rowling just gave the fans what they wanted by having Hermione and Ron suck face because Ron spout some crap about House Elves and that apparently turned Hermione on despite the fact that there is about to be a huge war.
    It was both forced and disturbing. All the parts in the book she could have picked for that and she goes for some random throwaway comment about house elves... oh well.

    I would've also like to see every other character mentioned to be in the epilogue though weasleys, hagrid, teachers, members of the order, old classmates, etc. and more in depth about the main peoples futures like jobs and such, wouldn't have been too much trouble since she has such a lively imagination.
    I thought the ending was sort of lacking as far as delving into different characters, and something about Harry naming all of his children after his parents and teachers bugged me too. I couldn't tell you why exactly it struck me as cheesy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Remy0
    I hate there wont be anymore books
    Me too. It was actually a lot of fun getting to participate in something like this. As lame as the little book parties and stuff may be, I feel like it was more rewarding to be waiting and having something to look forward to than it would have been to buy all 7 as a set and blow through the entire series in a few days. There's something to be said for the anticipation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ishido
    I can understand that, but think about it this way. Harry dropped the stone in the middle of the Forbidden Forest, most likely in a place he could not find again without a decent amount of time spent searching. No one knew he had the stone either, so they won't be searching for it in places that he had been. The chances seem very slim of anyone actually finding the stone while they were looking for it, making it (probably) safer than it would be elsewhere.

    The wand I could see keeping under lock and key and enchantment and whatever else possible, because people know about it, and most likely rumor would blow it up to be even more than it really is. Despite this the latter part of the Harry Potter series has shown us that in this world even the most seemingly unattainable items are always within reach, even against the most impossible odds. Horcruxes, Hallows, and everything else was found, destroyed, put to use or whatever else and there is no reason the Hallows would not again, despite any amount of security. Not saying it's a bad idea though.

    It's very early in the morning now and I can't follow my own thoughts, so I scarcely expect anyone else to.
    I think I understand what you're saying. I don't really understand why nobody seemed to recognize the stone for what it was, though. Perhaps Voldemort didn't know because he didn't grow up in a wizarding household and would perhaps not have heard of the hallows until later, but I don't see why his ancestors would not have recognized it for what it was. If I recall correctly, Harry didn't have to do anything special to see his dead relatives when he was holding the stone. I don't see why that wouldn't have been discovered by the previous owners and be proof enough that the hallows existed, perhaps driving them to search for the others. Even if it wasn't something that any of the previous owners were interested in pursuing, I don't see why Voldemort would not have recognized it for what it was as he was making it into a Horcrux. Perhaps he did, and he thought that it would be safe where it was, protected by various enchantments?

    On top of that, I wish there had been more about wandlore because a) it was interesting and b) I don't recall them mentioning anything about winning the allegiance of a wand after the owner has died. Perhaps it's something that's understood to be impossible, but I wish that what happened after the wand-holder's death had been addressed. I'll read it again.

    I liked how Deathly Hallows started off with action straight from the get-go. To me, it read a lot like a thriller where you have your main characters trying to achieve some goal while being pursued. I blazed through the chapters where Harry was being chased by the Death Eaters as soon as he left the Dursleys, then the wedding, then the Death Eaters taking over the Ministry. Then it just sort of tapered off into a cycle of apparating to random places and the three of them going emo until Ron leaves. It seemed kind of dull until they invaded Gringott's and then moved on to Hogwart's.
    I liked the action a lot. I won't say that the other books were exactly boring, but they were a lot more low key. The action was mainly reserved for the climactic chapters where they were actively pursuing an object or thwarting/escaping Voldemort somehow. I felt like this one was paced well, although starting off with action kind of sets a tone that's easily disrupted when there are lulls in the story.

    I want to echo that I also felt that there was a lot of unnecessary death. A lot of the killing just seemed kind of forced by Rowling to "write off" the characters. For instance, I thought it was pretty damn random for Wormtail to show up and then just strangle himself. Dobby's death seemed strangely placed as well, but at least he was engaging a Death Eater. Hedwig's death also seemed kind of strange, but it really set the tone at the beginning of the book. The reader knew at this point that Rowling wasn't pulling any punches.
    Wormtail's death, totally random. I'm glad that he died, though. He's had it coming since before book 1 even began.

    I thought Dobby's death was well-placed, and only really necessary to win over the goblin. I was really sad that it happened. I like Dobby a lot, even if he was super-annoying when he was first introduced. He always meant well, he came in handy sometimes, and he was always just a sweet little elf. Hanging Harry Potter christmas decorations (lol), giving Harry presents during the holidays, etc.

    Hedwig, totally unnecessary imo. You already have Moody dying, what was the point of killing his damn owl? Just so that he would feel fucking utterly alone in the world? Sorry, too emo. Killed off every single person in Harry's life that could have been a father or mother figure, from Dumbledore all the way to his father's friends. Too much, J.K.

    While I was upset over Fred's death, I don't think Mrs. Weasley would have been able to beat Bellatrix without the grief of confronting someone who was in part responsible for her son's death. Even that seemed kind of contrived because the thought of a housewife and mother of a million kids beating the Dark Lord's second-in-command was a head scratcher the more I thought about it.
    Eh, I don't know. I think that you're probably capable of a lot more than you might be under normal circumstances if someone kills your child. On top of that, even if she's out of practice, she's fought for the order before. She's not exactly a rookie, even if we don't know much about what she's done in her day.

    Speaking of that, I felt there was a lot of fanservice in the book as well.
    You know, I'm in two minds about that. I agree that there definitely were a lot of things in there that only seemed to be there because the fans wanted it. But at the same time, I did like most of those developments. I'm glad that she put in some of the things that I really wanted to develop, like the relationship between Ron and Hermione. I'm not especially excited over Harry and Ginny, but it's whatever. I'm glad that we got to see the beginnings of those relationships, and that they were kind of confirmed in the epilogue. Otherwise the epilogue would have been full of completely new characters that we had no background information on, assuming that she chose to keep all the same people alive. I think she should have done some things that were a little riskier, though. Personally, I would have liked to see Ginny die. I don't particularly care for her, and it would have been a lot more poignant than Fred's death. That shit was fucking random. "Haha, let's run back to OH SH..." /dead.

    The Snape thing also felt like fanservice too. The Snape/Lily thing really came out of nowhere, in my opinion. In Book 5, Snape chose to remove the memories of his being teased by James and company in case Harry broke into his mind, but he didn't choose to safeguard the memories of himself and Lily Potter?
    Honestly, I guessed the connection between Snape and Lily. I didn't think that they would have been childhood friends or anything, but I knew there had to be some reason that he hated James beyond just being an asshole in school. That really didn't seem like enough to inspire the kind of hatred that could make you hate someone's kids as well.

    Also, we really only went through one memory in Snape's penseive. Who's to say that there weren't other memories of Lily that would have followed those?

    That's all for now.

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    Me too. It was actually a lot of fun getting to participate in something like this. As lame as the little book parties and stuff may be, I feel like it was more rewarding to be waiting and having something to look forward to than it would have been to buy all 7 as a set and blow through the entire series in a few days. There's something to be said for the anticipation.
    10 years of these books and now they're gone, kinda like an old friend just died, kinda.

    I think I understand what you're saying. I don't really understand why nobody seemed to recognize the stone for what it was, though. Perhaps Voldemort didn't know because he didn't grow up in a wizarding household and would perhaps not have heard of the hallows until later, but I don't see why his ancestors would not have recognized it for what it was. If I recall correctly, Harry didn't have to do anything special to see his dead relatives when he was holding the stone. I don't see why that wouldn't have been discovered by the previous owners and be proof enough that the hallows existed, perhaps driving them to search for the others. Even if it wasn't something that any of the previous owners were interested in pursuing, I don't see why Voldemort would not have recognized it for what it was as he was making it into a Horcrux. Perhaps he did, and he thought that it would be safe where it was, protected by various enchantments?
    Noone recognized what the cloak really was either. Wizard made cloaks were rare but they were still made. And Marvolo Gaunt owned the ring and only had it to show is blood history. Dumbledore said that Voldemort didn't know about the deathly hallows and to him the ring was just a symbol of his mother family, I doubt he even tried to put it on. He knew about the wand because it was said to be unbeatable, nothing more than that.

    b) I don't recall them mentioning anything about winning the allegiance of a wand after the owner has died. Perhaps it's something that's understood to be impossible, but I wish that what happened after the wand-holder's death had been addressed. I'll read it again.
    I think Harry and dumbledore talk about that in "King's Cross" iirc not sure I know it is mentioned. Maybe by Ollivander.

    Hedwig, totally unnecessary imo. You already have Moody dying, what was the point of killing his damn owl? Just so that he would feel fucking utterly alone in the world? Sorry, too emo. Killed off every single person in Harry's life that could have been a father or mother figure, from Dumbledore all the way to his father's friends. Too much, J.K.
    Well he couldn't really be lugging the owl around while they were on there journey. I kinda thought maybe just leave him with someone, but that would have been a clear sign that that person was in league with harry causing them suffering. And she left Hagrid alive he was close to a father figure for Harry on a few occasions, or at least like an uncle, also the weasleys parents were like parents to harry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Remy0
    Noone recognized what the cloak really was either. Wizard made cloaks were rare but they were still made. And Marvolo Gaunt owned the ring and only had it to show is blood history. Dumbledore said that Voldemort didn't know about the deathly hallows and to him the ring was just a symbol of his mother family, I doubt he even tried to put it on. He knew about the wand because it was said to be unbeatable, nothing more than that.
    Agree with your points, but since i'm a nitpicker kind of guy, he did put on the ring. In a flashback via pensieve harry and Dumbledore see him wearing the ring after returning from visiting the gaunts and riddles. I believe he was back in Hogwarts, although I'm not positive.

    Quote Originally Posted by Remy0
    Hedwig, totally unnecessary imo. You already have Moody dying, what was the point of killing his damn owl? Just so that he would feel fucking utterly alone in the world? Sorry, too emo. Killed off every single person in Harry's life that could have been a father or mother figure, from Dumbledore all the way to his father's friends. Too much, J.K.
    Well he couldn't really be lugging the owl around while they were on there journey. I kinda thought maybe just leave him with someone, but that would have been a clear sign that that person was in league with harry causing them suffering. And she left Hagrid alive he was close to a father figure for Harry on a few occasions, or at least like an uncle, also the weasleys parents were like parents to harry.
    I agree with this too, would have been kinda weird having hedwig around everywhere. Also someone mentioned it set the tone for the book early and I agree with that too. I had a little inappropriate laugh while reading it, thinking of Monty Python.

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    Quote Originally Posted by evilbau
    Quote Originally Posted by Remy0
    Noone recognized what the cloak really was either. Wizard made cloaks were rare but they were still made. And Marvolo Gaunt owned the ring and only had it to show is blood history. Dumbledore said that Voldemort didn't know about the deathly hallows and to him the ring was just a symbol of his mother family, I doubt he even tried to put it on. He knew about the wand because it was said to be unbeatable, nothing more than that.
    Agree with your points, but since i'm a nitpicker kind of guy, he did put on the ring. In a flashback via pensieve harry and Dumbledore see him wearing the ring after returning from visiting the gaunts and riddles. I believe he was back in Hogwarts, although I'm not positive.

    could be that there was noone he loved so noone he wanted to bring back?

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    Noone recognized what the cloak really was either. Wizard made cloaks were rare but they were still made. And Marvolo Gaunt owned the ring and only had it to show is blood history. Dumbledore said that Voldemort didn't know about the deathly hallows and to him the ring was just a symbol of his mother family, I doubt he even tried to put it on. He knew about the wand because it was said to be unbeatable, nothing more than that.
    Agree with your points, but since i'm a nitpicker kind of guy, he did put on the ring. In a flashback via pensieve harry and Dumbledore see him wearing the ring after returning from visiting the gaunts and riddles. I believe he was back in Hogwarts, although I'm not positive.

    could be that there was noone he loved so noone he wanted to bring back?
    no, you are right in that he probably didn't know what it was (or maybe he did, there was that inferi-infested lake, but I assume there are other ways to create them), I was rebutting the minor point that 'I doubt he even tried to put it on'. Sorry, I was just nitpicking.

    Edit: And yeah, I doubt there is anyone he would want to bring back. Maybe some ppl to kill them again? Or maybe his mother to ask some questions? Can't really think of any other reason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aznmajiktaru
    i'm still cheesed off that Voldemort dies by a backfiring curse, again.
    Fool me once, shame on you.
    Fool me twice, shame on me! :D

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    Well what I was saying was that even if he did put it on (regardless of knowing what it was) that it wouldn't have brought anyone back for he had never loved anyone. And I don't think it would create inferi since inferi aren't the actual people, just their bodies reanimated to do the wizards bidding. the army of inferi was just something grindelwold wanted to do, but he didn't know that it only brought back the echo of the dead people and only seen by the wearer of the ring.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Remy0
    Well what I was saying was that even if he did put it on (regardless of knowing what it was) that it wouldn't have brought anyone back for he had never loved anyone. And I don't think it would create inferi since inferi aren't the actual people, just their bodies reanimated to do the wizards bidding. the army of inferi was just something grindelwold wanted to do, but he didn't know that it only brought back the echo of the dead people and only seen by the wearer of the ring.
    I inferred that Grindelwald used the stone to create them, but I believe it wasn't directly mentioned so you could be right. I'll pay closer attention to it next time I read the book. The echo of the dead people I viewed it as just one of its powers not the only one, otherwise I don't see much use for it, and it certainly wouldn't be dangerous.

    There was another detail that kind of nagged at me concerning the whole 'true owner of wands' thing. Does the wand have no problem going back to a previous owner who was defeated? It certainly appeared so. Take the DA for example, they practiced stunning and disarming each other so many times, are they all 'true owners' of each others wands at that point?

    And since Draco disarmed Dumbledore and Harry said he was the true owner, does that mean it does not need to be passed along through murder like an ordinary wand as Elder Wand mythology suggested? Really doesn't matter I suppose, but I had those random thoughts in my mind as I finished the book.

    I still think Harry becoming Defense against the Dark Arts teacher at Hogwarts would have made a satisfying ending career for Harry, seems like an opportunity lost there.

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    sooo wich queer died?

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    Anyone else dissappointed that Neville didnt defeat Bellatrix?

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    I inferred that Grindelwald used the stone to create them, but I believe it wasn't directly mentioned so you could be right. I'll pay closer attention to it next time I read the book. The echo of the dead people I viewed it as just one of its powers not the only one, otherwise I don't see much use for it, and it certainly wouldn't be dangerous.
    Dumbeldore was just mentioning the plans the 2 of them had for after they obtained them, he never got his hands on the stone. Marvolo had it during that time i believe.

    There was another detail that kind of nagged at me concerning the whole 'true owner of wands' thing. Does the wand have no problem going back to a previous owner who was defeated? It certainly appeared so. Take the DA for example, they practiced stunning and disarming each other so many times, are they all 'true owners' of each others wands at that point?
    Well like Ollivander had always said "It's the wand that chooses the wizard"; but he also said that the wand would succumb to the new master in time. As for the DA, they never really did proper duels did they? by proper I mean dueling for keeps, they always returned each others wand to the opponent.

    And since Draco disarmed Dumbledore and Harry said he was the true owner, does that mean it does not need to be passed along through murder like an ordinary wand as Elder Wand mythology suggested? Really doesn't matter I suppose, but I had those random thoughts in my mind as I finished the book.
    Just defeat in duel I think while using any wand. Draco disarmed Dumbeldore while dumbeldore had the elder wand. Harry became master of the wand by simply snatching draco's wand from him.

    I still think Harry becoming Defense against the Dark Arts teacher at Hogwarts would have made a satisfying ending career for Harry, seems like an opportunity lost there.
    Yea that or an auror. He had wanted to become an auror but he did have a knack for teaching DADA. Also, brings up the question about the curse placed on that teaching position?

    Some people are saying that the epilogue is there to possibly start books about the children's excursions, but I'm going to place that in the false hope bin for now. though I do want more books.


    sooo wich queer died?
    no need to be like that, if you don't like the books don't post here please.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCursedGatts
    Anyone else dissappointed that Neville didnt defeat Bellatrix?
    I'm not. Something funny I noticed last night, I was watching Goblet of Fire movie and in the courtroom scene Karkaroff said it was Barty Crouch Jr. who tortured Frank and Alice Longbottom. Can't remember if they mention it was actually Bellatrix in Order of the Phoenix movie but that inconsistency made me chuckle.

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    Re: Harry Potter Spoilars!

    Quote Originally Posted by Remy0
    There was another detail that kind of nagged at me concerning the whole 'true owner of wands' thing. Does the wand have no problem going back to a previous owner who was defeated? It certainly appeared so. Take the DA for example, they practiced stunning and disarming each other so many times, are they all 'true owners' of each others wands at that point?
    Well like Ollivander had always said "It's the wand that chooses the wizard"; but he also said that the wand would succumb to the new master in time. As for the DA, they never really did proper duels did they? by proper I mean dueling for keeps, they always returned each others wand to the opponent.
    Yeah, thats exactly what i'm talking about, the logistics of the whole thing is fuzzy. Its probably not so clear cut and if lets say someone in the DA who had won a mock duel wanted to take the wand for themselves, I bet they could. But if the intention was practice perhaps not. Whatever the case, the story implies that wandlore is complex enough that anything is possible, given circumstances for 'the want to choose the wizard' so I suppose trying to explain it with rules is moot.
    Quote Originally Posted by Remy0
    And since Draco disarmed Dumbledore and Harry said he was the true owner, does that mean it does not need to be passed along through murder like an ordinary wand as Elder Wand mythology suggested? Really doesn't matter I suppose, but I had those random thoughts in my mind as I finished the book.
    Just defeat in duel I think while using any wand. Draco disarmed Dumbeldore while dumbeldore had the elder wand. Harry became master of the wand by simply snatching draco's wand from him.
    Thats how I read it from the book but those were rhetorical questions. The link was never made that taking Draco's wand would have anything to do with a relationship with a (lol) 'third-party wand.' Yeah, I read that part and accepted the explanation but its still kinda makes a reasoning jump there.

    Quote Originally Posted by Remy0
    I still think Harry becoming Defense against the Dark Arts teacher at Hogwarts would have made a satisfying ending career for Harry, seems like an opportunity lost there.
    Yea that or an auror. He had wanted to become an auror but he did have a knack for teaching DADA. Also, brings up the question about the curse placed on that teaching position?

    Some people are saying that the epilogue is there to possibly start books about the children's excursions, but I'm going to place that in the false hope bin for now. though I do want more books.
    Personally, I don't think becoming an Auror was a suitable ending career because it would imply that Harry would again be in constant danger. I don't think it would be consistent with the tone of the ending. Also, teaching at Hogwarts would have also brought the story back to where it started which is what Rowling obviously wanted to do by having the last scene be the next generation off to Hogwarts. But no mention of his job 19 years later was said so he definitely could be an Auror. It pretty heavily implies he does not work/teach at Hogwarts.

    I don't think there should be any more books. But really who could blame her if she did write more. She is saying goodbye to literally billions of dollars if she really puts it rest.

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