WAR + Perdu Hanger

[tea]

searched, all perdu hanger discussion seemed to be BLU related..

my LS leader (mandau THF, ridill WAR, k.club RNG, etc) is trying to convince me Perdu/Ridill beats out Maneater/Ridll. she's JP, so i couldn't understand her argument 100%, but she's saying that you'll get 10 Vorpal Blades to every 7 Rampages with this combo.

she linked me to this parse, and focused on the fact that the vorpal damage is only slightly less than the rampage.

http://blog100.fc2.com/p/pekoe1001/file ... 232614.txt

???maneater/ridill
???perdu/ridill

now, they were fighting lolbiri, which naturally fuck up results. also, i found it strange that the 2x sword WAR had higher ACC than the axe/sword WAR. of course, i know the parse of one party doesn't mean anything, but just wanted to see if anyone else had any experiences they could share. don't feel like spending the points to test for myself..

[cassiraa]

500 on 'BRD switched songs to madrigal/minuet instead of march/minuet, skewing the parse results.'

[Zanz L. Barre The 3rd]

I wouldn't doubt that a 8/8 sword merit, fortitude torque, and suppanomimi dual-wielding perdu hangar/ridill WAR could outparse a maneater/ridill war. Seems semi-logical to me.

[Kaylia]

A 8/8 sword war is probably 8/8 axe war as well, and suppa doesn't entirely make up for the B skill.
7sword skill on torque vs 10accuracy on p.charm isn't making a big difference either (4 accuracy versus 7 attack on melee hits in the end). Actually, isn't maneater 18atk and perdu blade 15?

Unless I'm missing something about perdu blade, I don't see how it would allow you to outparse maneater/ridill. More WS is most likely due to the warrior habbit to voke first, and have its tp reseted, because when you look at the delay between both combo, there is only a 10% difference.

[Michaera]

If you had the Ridill and all that, I'd imagine you had a Joyeuse as well, and if you were at Colibri.... o.O Why do Perdu/Ridill over Ridill/Joy? Is Perdu somehow piercing damage and weaponskills as piercing....? I didn't think that was possible? Honest to god, if you want to mess up those birds really nicely, try Blau Dolch/Joyeuse on a WAR, it's a monster.

In my experience, though, as far as Vorpal goes, we've had some LS folk do Ridill/Joy on the colibris and they always enjoyed it, but I remember them remarking that their Vorpals were significantly lower than a good ol' Rampage, as expected, though they were firing off a good deal more due to all the extra TP. I don't want to say "rid/joy beat x on the parser" because it's such a specific situation and will of course depend on who's playing the job, but they seemed to do pretty well. I reckon my dagger could do just as well though! @ Sono

[Kaylia]

Having a piercing sword won't make your ws piercing as far as I know.

[Delekii]

The base difference in skill is 19 axe vs sword for a war, unless sword is merited and axe is not (for example, someone with ridill war and mnk), I can't imagine perdu/ridill outdoing axe/ridill.. Even with fort torque and suppa, base sword skill is lower than axe with no skill gear at all..

If you have full sword merits and not axe, then I'm sure Perdu/Ridill would be great..

[VZX]

searched, all perdu hanger discussion seemed to be BLU related..

my LS leader (mandau THF, ridill WAR, k.club RNG, etc) is trying to convince me Perdu/Ridill beats out Maneater/Ridll. she's JP, so i couldn't understand her argument 100%, but she's saying that you'll get 10 Vorpal Blades to every 7 Rampages with this combo.

she linked me to this parse, and focused on the fact that the vorpal damage is only slightly less than the rampage.

http://blog100.fc2.com/p/pekoe1001/file ... 232614.txt

???maneater/ridill
???perdu/ridill

now, they were fighting lolbiri, which naturally fuck up results. also, i found it strange that the 2x sword WAR had higher ACC than the axe/sword WAR. of course, i know the parse of one party doesn't mean anything, but just wanted to see if anyone else had any experiences they could share. don't feel like spending the points to test for myself..

The parse result showed it's closer to 10 vorpal for every 9 rampages though (151/134 is close to 10/9. 10/9 is close to (276+236)/(225/+236))
also, your WAR2 has higher crit hit rate (is that the reason he got 1383 max on vorpal?) and slightly higher hit rate too

[Credos]

Having a piercing sword won't make your ws piercing as far as I know.

Weapons like Joyeuse that are piercing damage when in normal TP are still slashing WS.

[Yutuyu]

Yeah, WS has a set damage type which ignores the weapon's damage type.

I'd like to hear more about Ridill/Joy though.

[Wulfgang]

Having a piercing sword won't make your ws piercing as far as I know.

Credos is right. Can test it on Temperance, equip Joyeuse for piercing mode; Vorpal will do 0 damage.

[Max™]

Yeah, WS has a set damage type which ignores the weapon's damage type.

I'd like to hear more about Ridill/Joy though.

Swordchucks, yo.

[Yutuyu]

New Warrior JA added next patch: Two-Fisted Monkey Style.

[OctavoGilgamesh]

New Warrior JA added next patch: Two-Fisted Monkey Style.

Quit posting.

[Isiolia]

Monkey Grip would be hilarious for WAR...DW GAxe ftw XD

[LakshmiToralyn]

Ive parsed these till the cow comes up with any combination of Maneater,ridill,perdu hanger,kraken club

I have 8/8sword 4/8 axe

With the lower delay on perdu you do TP faster. than with Maneater.

with my merits the way they are I believe Perdu/Ridill will outparse Man/Ridill. using fort torque + suppa

with 8/8sword 8/8axe I belive the Maneater will take the cake..

All the combos are so very close. Vorpal Blade does not seem to be affected as much with offhand kraken like rampage is.

I was able to keep my vorpal blade avg nearly the same with Perdu/Kraken compared to down abour 200-250 with Man/kraken on Rampage.

I personally like Rampage more than Vorpal so I usually use Man/Ridill when im in merit parties

[ringthree]

First, comparing two different players in one parse is pretty useless, especially when you don't know their gear. That is the kind of parse that people use to justify their gear set-ups without providing real information. If you want to test a parse for gear, then you don't change anything but the gear you want to test and you test it against your own parses. And that doesn't even consider the natural variations in how other people effect your parses, like BRD's keeping songs on, birds stealing TP, etc. These are what I call "agenda parses," parses that are designed to prove a point, and they are usually contrived.

Second, lets think about it for a moment. Axe skill 285, Sword skill 278. That is with the Torque and Suppanomimi, sure it will depend on the gear, but equal gear this initially seems to favor the Axe. Then there are other considerations like delay Axe 276 vs. Sword 225, which favors the Sword, base damage Axe 49 vs. Sword 44 which favors Axe, and strength of WS's Vorpal Blade vs. Rampage. Then there are second tier considerations like the diminishing returns of haste on comparative delay reductions and TP building bonus for longer delay weapons. This is all before you consider things like player concentration, wasted weaponskills (WSing at 1 percent of mob health and such), and so on.

So, what does this parse tell us? Pretty much nothing, its not even a comparison between the same player. One of the WAR's could be completely decked, one could suck. Hell even if they were exactly matched in gear, if one is concentrating and engaging faster and not wasting WS's then they are going to parse higher.

Parses lie, because people want them to lie. Honestly, I would favor Axe for base damage and skill difference, but if someone likes sword and are equipped for it, then go for it. The difference in an XP party isn't going to matter all that much.

[VZX]

The only info I like to gather from parse is everyone's hit rate though

<-- still trying so hard building meat eating BLU

[SassiAsura]

Monkey Grip would be hilarious for WAR...DW GAxe ftw XD

MBhuj/Fort
The HNM destroyer.

[draxyl]

The only info I like to gather from parse is everyone's hit rate though

<-- still trying so hard building meat eating BLU

Don't have enough Homam to make it feasible?