Whats better?

[Tdizzle]

Still looking for more THF to give me opinions. I'm looking into mainhanding either blau or stylet and if off had I have sirocco kukri. I'm wondering if I'll see a significant difference in damage between blau and stylet. Stylet is considerably cheaper than blau and I want to make sure its worth it. Thanks for the feedback and sorry for posting the original in the wrong forum.

Lets put it this way and end all questions about blau ever.

It is the absolutely best dagger you can buy in the AH. In your main hand it should be always unless you happen to have Mandau, X's Knife, or P harpe.

And if you have one of the others then blau should be in your offhand. Perhaps if you have both mandau and x's you would want to use x's offhand, but sriously how many have that "problem"

In summary, blau blau blau blau blau blau. Get one.

[Resin]

SAM/WAR using meat (merit/limbus/salvage), what boots for WS? Usukane vs. Hachiman (+1)(Rutters out for the sake of argument--needs Store TP in the slot for WS)

[Amele]

SAM/WAR using meat (merit/limbus/salvage), what boots for WS? Usukane vs. Hachiman (+1)(Rutters out for the sake of argument--needs Store TP in the slot for WS)

7 attack vs. 3 str? (I'm assuming you're not asking about accuracy lol)

7 is gonna be worth ~.02 which should be in the area of 3-5 damage.(Depends on fstr, strength, and weapon)
3 str is gonna be worth between 3-6 (maybe up to 7) dependant on pdif.

so it *really* depends on what you're fighting, whether your pdif is close to cap, what weapon you're using, and how much strength you have outside of this slot.

If you're asking whether it's worth getting hachiman+1 over usukane shoes? probably not worth the price for performance.

[Resin]

SAM/WAR using meat (merit/limbus/salvage), what boots for WS? Usukane vs. Hachiman (+1)(Rutters out for the sake of argument--needs Store TP in the slot for WS)

7 attack vs. 3 str? (I'm assuming you're not asking about accuracy lol)

7 is gonna be worth ~.02 which should be in the area of 3-5 damage.(Depends on fstr, strength, and weapon)
3 str is gonna be worth between 3-6 (maybe up to 7) dependant on pdif.

so it *really* depends on what you're fighting, whether your pdif is close to cap, what weapon you're using, and how much strength you have outside of this slot.

If you're asking whether it's worth getting hachiman+1 over usukane shoes? probably not worth the price for performance.

Yep, pretty much exactly what I figured. I should have mentioned Hagun. I suppose it's easier to hit fSTR cap with Soboro, if I understand correctly, but with Hagun it's a tougher call?

[Amele]

hagun would actually favor 7 attack, more than soboro; (because your D+FSTR+WSC is higher) comparatively speaking.

basically you're looking at the comparison of two values, (these are simplified, so they're not entirely accurate)

(D+FSTR+WSC)* (att+?ATT)/DEF ?= (D+F(str+?str)+.75(str+?str) ) * att/def

the bigger D+FSTR+WSC is, the more 7 attack would increase your damage.
the higher your cRatio (att/def) is, the more 3 strength would increase your damage.

so a soboro (which caps out at like, 52+.75*str) is going to get you less additional damage from 7 attack, than a hagun (which caps out at like, 91+.75*str) for similar amounts of strength.

hopefully that didn't just confuse you more XD

[Resin]

hagun would actually favor 7 attack, more than soboro; (because your D+FSTR+WSC is higher) comparatively speaking.

basically you're looking at the comparison of two values, (these are simplified, so they're not entirely accurate)

(D+FSTR+WSC)* (att+?ATT)/DEF ?= (D+F(str+?str)+.75(str+?str) ) * att/def

the bigger D+FSTR+WSC is, the more 7 attack would increase your damage.
the higher your cRatio (att/def) is, the more 3 strength would increase your damage.

so a soboro (which caps out at like, 52+.75*str) is going to get you less additional damage from 7 attack, than a hagun (which caps out at like, 91+.75*str) for similar amounts of strength.

hopefully that didn't just confuse you more XD

Nah, you've pretty much confirmed what I thought. Now, to get to work on those other two pieces I need for Hizayoroi...

[Amele]

I assume by the way you put that, you mean you have the 15's for the pants XD

(we're still on the 'pre-any-35's' train 0/73 and counting!)

[Zanz L. Barre The 3rd]

Hagun/Pole Strap/Tiphia Sting
Ace's Helm/Justice Torque/Bushanomimi/Brutal Earring
Askar korazin/Dusk Gloves +1/Rajas Ring/Sniper's Ring +1
Forager's Mantle/Speed Belt/Usukane hizayoroi/Usukane sune-ate

or

All that and substitute Ace's helm, askar body, and dusk +1 for full usukane.

I'm inclined to go Ace's helm/Askar korazin route but I'm not too sure it'd be worth the effort to camp KV and work my way up Nyzul from floor zero.

I'm 3/3 head, 2/3 body, 1/3 hands, 2/3 legs, and 2/3 feet in regards to usukane, so it's not too outlandish to think I can acquire full set.

So yeah, the Ace's helm route is clearly overall better but would the difference in performance vs. usukane make it worth the effort to obtain Ace's Helm and Askar Korazin?

[Resin]

I assume by the way you put that, you mean you have the 15's for the pants XD

(we're still on the 'pre-any-35's' train 0/73 and counting!)

How did you know? lol

We've been lucky enough to get a few 35s, but we're definitely feeling the pain with others.

@ Zanz: I'd be inclined to think the first set would do better, but I'd drop in haidate in place of the hizayoroi. Either set is gonna be sweet though.

But your rings and earrings are backwards. >.>

[Amele]

is it clearly better? at first glance the latter set is, but I think the differences are less pronounced than first glance would lead you to believe; I mean: on one hand we have:

(full usukane)
str+16
dex+13
agi+3
int+8
acc+36(49)
att+17(33)
haste+13%
evasion+29
store TP +13
subtle blow+5
counter+2

(your listed body/hands/head/legs/feet)
str+14
dex+5
att+35(49)
Haste+13%
evasion +5
store TP+12
double attack +2
Acc+14(19)


the difference in the sets is: (excluded several minor stats)
-2 str, -8 dex, +11 att, -30 acc, -24 evasion, -2 counter, +2 double attack

is 2% double attack and 11 attack worth 2 str, 8 dex, and 30 accuracy? (ignoring evasion/subtle blow/counter etc)

I'm not sure it is. especially if you use sam for more than just merits.

If you went with b.haidate and got +2 haste from set two, it might be worth considering; but as listed, I'd definitely aim for the full usukane if I was you.

[shukuffxi]

Necro, but seemed better than random question thread, arguing with a friend:

MNK, merit PT/Event type situation, shit is situational, etc: When would a MNK ever TP in Osode, or use an Osode for Asuran Fists, over a Shura Togi (+1) Given is that there is usually at least 1 BRD and/or COR (possibly one of each, or 2 BRD), full merits, good gear, but not best.

[Shuemue]

When they're chi blasting?

[Obev]

No, never. Asuran Fists modifiers are 50% accuracy and 50% bard.

[shukuffxi]

I thought so, but more MNK input is always appreciated as "BG people all opinions/answers to everything". From my take on it, even if one could maintain 95% accuracy, the chances of landing all 8 hits of Asuran Fists has trouble remaining that high? i.e: Even if you have 95% overall accuracy, the chances of landing several consecutive full TP return Asuran Fists is not INCREDIBLY high, or so high that you'd shrug off +10 Accuracy and +20 Attack, regardless of full H2H merits/Faith Torque, and use an Osode instead.

[Amele]

I thought so, but more MNK input is always appreciated as "BG people all opinions/answers to everything". From my take on it, even if one could maintain 95% accuracy, the chances of landing all 8 hits of Asuran Fists has trouble remaining that high? i.e: Even if you have 95% overall accuracy, the chances of landing several consecutive full TP return Asuran Fists is not INCREDIBLY high, or so high that you'd shrug off +10 Accuracy and +20 Attack, regardless of full H2H merits/Faith Torque, and use an Osode instead.

(emphasis mine)

*if* you have 92.5%+ accuracy without a body piece, then from a strict accuracy standpoint, osode and shura+1 are interchangeable. once you are at the accuracy cap, adding more accuracy doesn't let you exceed the cap. (another way of putting it: you'll never have more than a .95^8 -> ~66% chance of getting an 8 hit asuran)

as to whether or not 20(22) attack is better than 10 str and misc. other stats is an independent question that is mostly dependent on how much attack you have already and what the defense of the mob in question is: I don't know enough about the details of how H2H D:values are calculated or how h2h skill interacts with fstr caps to make a an estimate of where the inflection point is or whether it is reasonable to hit.

[shukuffxi]

This is getting a bit troublesome, now i've talked to several MNKs, with access to most non-Salvage gear, around 6 now, and ALL have given me different answers, on what they TP in and what they WS in, and each and everyone of them seems to have a head as hard as rock:

"I outparse all the others I PT with, by huge amounts, I will not change my setup, because people can not beat me in what I use already, I don't care what <insert super pimp best MNK ever has tested> i've done numerous parse/test that show <insert w/e they think is best on TP/WS>"

Usually resulting in something like "lolOsode for anything but Chi Blast" or "Leave your Togi in MH, it doesn't do anything.", and me either getting told "You're not crazy, I would never use Osode for those things" or laughed at, for following BG sheep style

[Judai]

Osode sits in Storage on my Mannequin. Any MNK who uses it and claims it's the best ever body piece in my experience has been a sub par MNK in reality. Shura Togi > Osode in 90% of the situations, especially for DD. The only time you should think about Osode is if you are fighting some gimp ass TW mobs or Campaign Battle or for w/e reason the +50 Light will help you. I used Osode for about 4 Salvage runs after I got it. Thought the little bit of DEF/VIT and no -50hp would be solid for tanking but it really did nothing for me.

Like people said, the only time Osode will benefit you is if you are already capped on Acc, which generally means on gimp mobs. Even with capped Acc on High levelthings(dude to feint, SV Mad or w/e) the 20atk will probably still do more for you then 10str.

Osode is a situational body piece that I don't even bother macroing in for the situations it's useful.

[Not Seditedi]

Chi Blast/Dragon Kick are probably the only 2 things Osode is good for on MNK.

[shukuffxi]

Ty Judai~ I'd have sex with you if A) I weren't a man and B) it wouldn't be beastiality cuz i'm a sheep

[Judai]

Ty Judai~ I'd have sex with you if A) I weren't a man and B) it wouldn't be beastiality cuz i'm a sheep

o.o

Doesn't make you a sheep if it's the right choice. >.>