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  1. #2781
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    18 attack from AJ in a ~500 attack ~330 defense mob situation(the increase does change when you change those, but only if you do a severe change so this math will cover merits, limbus, dynamis, anything but hnm) results in 4.3% damage increase on a lv81 greater colibri or 4.5% on a lv82 greater colibri. 1% triple attack is a 2% damage increase, so for homam to be better than AJ, it only needs to give a 2.5% damage increase from accuracy. This will happen anywhere below 92% accuracy, and as you get lower homam gets even better. Compared to askar: 15.75 attack = 3.76% increase or 3.9% increase on lv81/82 birds. 2% DA = 2% damage, negating homam's triple attack. 1.25 fSTR = ~1.25% damage increase, so you need a bit over 5% damage increase from homam's accuracy to beat askar(if the store tp saves you a hit to 100 tp, it becomes a lot more complicated to calculate, so going with this for now). This will happen anywhere below 90.4% accuracy.

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    You math people are awesome. Thanks for the advice. Any places for improvement on my other gear (not counting dusk+1 >.>)?

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    Not 75 yet, but trying to plan ahead:

    For GA War Meripo (no GA merits) - True 6hit build using Askar body or ditch the 6-hit and use Haub+1?

    (Guessing the better choice would be Haub + Chiv or Ecphoria ring combo, but still interested in thoughts on Askar body setup.)

    - not looking for pseudo build relying on WS acc; also no chance of Aurum/EBody builds

  4. #2784
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    Quote Originally Posted by Drace View Post
    Not 75 yet, but trying to plan ahead:

    For GA War Meripo (no GA merits) - True 6hit build using Askar body or ditch the 6-hit and use Haub+1?

    (Guessing the better choice would be Haub + Chiv or Ecphoria ring combo, but still interested in thoughts on Askar body setup.)

    - not looking for pseudo build relying on WS acc; also no chance of Aurum/EBody builds
    I take it no Rajas?

    Choice comes down to 16% more WSes vs the added damage from haub +1. Of course haub +1 means ~7% hitrate (calling the DA on Askar +1.5% hitrate) as well as the damage from those hits. So I guess I'd call it a wash. I'd just stick with haub +1 tbh.

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    hauby+1 chiv chain ecphoria = 21 acc 12 attack 6 dex 9 str
    askar + ancient torque + sniper+1/toreador = 16 acc 12 attack 4 dex 5 str 2% DA

    end result is comparing 5 acc, 2 dex, 4 str to 2% DA.. no reason to take the latter option unless accuracy is capped, in which case 4 str = ~1% damage through fSTR, 2 attack = ~.5% damage, and depends what you want to call the crits from 2 dex.. i'd say they're pretty much even options if you cap accuracy with both, with askar leading by a very tiny margin. Realistically, you won't cap accuracy with either of them though, so askar setup is inferior to haub+1/chiv/ecphoria if both setups give you 6hit.

  6. #2786
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    Rajas, /SAM, Brutal and at least 2 hits off KJ/RR is all you need for 6hit. The only times I don't get at least 2 hits off for 6hit is if someone WSs fractions of a second before me and I get the finishing blow with shitty damage (looking at you SAMs). If you really don't want to "rely on WS ACC" then you just need 1 more STP; Chiv, Ecphoria, Carbonara, Aurum body or Asscar body all work.

    If you include WS TP, would be 20% more WS. Though that would be if you always WSed at 100TP, but it would be in the range of 16-20% more WS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drace View Post
    Not 75 yet, but trying to plan ahead:

    For GA War Meripo (no GA merits) - True 6hit build using Askar body or ditch the 6-hit and use Haub+1?

    (Guessing the better choice would be Haub + Chiv or Ecphoria ring combo, but still interested in thoughts on Askar body setup.)

    - not looking for pseudo build relying on WS acc; also no chance of Aurum/EBody builds
    I'm in a similar situation (as of yet), since I have a hard time justifying a Rajas ring for how often I get to play WAR, much less WAR/SAM...but I do have full GAxe merits >.>;

    I use Askar Body + Ecphoria + Brutal for the needed +7 STP for a "true" 6-hit. It works well enough, though Rajas + Haub+1 would be better.

    The only time you'd really "need" to use this setup would be when you're on Greater Colibri or some other situation where you don't want to use semi-pricey food. In other cases, you can consider using Carbonara for a similar amount of Store TP to build on and use Haub+1.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thorny View Post
    hauby+1 chiv chain ecphoria = 21 acc 12 attack 6 dex 9 str
    askar + ancient torque + sniper+1/toreador = 16 acc 12 attack 4 dex 5 str 2% DA

    end result is comparing 5 acc, 2 dex, 4 str to 2% DA.. no reason to take the latter option unless accuracy is capped, in which case 4 str = ~1% damage through fSTR, 2 attack = ~.5% damage, and depends what you want to call the crits from 2 dex.. i'd say they're pretty much even options if you cap accuracy with both, with askar leading by a very tiny margin. Realistically, you won't cap accuracy with either of them though, so askar setup is inferior to haub+1/chiv/ecphoria if both setups give you 6hit.
    Thanks, this is the exact gear comparison it comes down to for me, and I definitely don't foresee capped acc happening on my GA war in meripo. Guess I will pick up a chiv chain before I get to 75.

    Edit: For clarification, I do have/ will be using Rajas.

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    Don't merit on WAR? >_>

    hint: Amano

    <.<

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    =\

    If it's only +7 Store TP needed for true 6-hit sub SAM, guessing I could keep the Ancient Torque and swap out +7 ring for the Ecphoria, which would further skew the balance toward the Haub build.

    Hyriu hax me an Ebody so I dont need to face this dilemna!

  11. #2791
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    A true 6-hit build really isn't needed, since you won't be using anything else than RR or KJ in merits and you should -almost- always have 2 connecting hits.

    For reference: my build - FFXIAH.com

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abandon View Post
    I'm looking for suggestions for my DRG. Finally decided to focus on one job instead of jumping all over the melee world.
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    C. Chain (PCC when I have the gil for it)
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    since you're working on askar body already you should pretty much ALWAYS tp in it once you get it assuming /sam since going to 6 hit pretty much will beat acc unless you're acc is horrible[like byakko], after body done should consider going Askar Helm or legs both are an improve in tp/ws given your current gear[legs not on ws if wheeling].

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    Then just use Euphoria/Rajas if you have a torque/pcc/pca... Lowest opportunity cost.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyriu View Post
    A true 6-hit build really isn't needed, since you won't be using anything else than RR or KJ in merits and you should -almost- always have 2 connecting hits.

    For reference: my build - FFXIAH.com
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  15. #2795
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    I still prefer keeping my Sniper's+1 on >_> but yeah I toyed around with Ecphoria before I had my +7 Accuracy rings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aragon of Odin View Post
    You got the general idea, also depends wether you're spamming it or saving 300% tp, M.Bhuj would be a huge upgrade in cases where you spam.
    Thank you.

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    Just to restate this point.

    I was doing Dynamis a while back, didn't have nhead, didn't have nbody or osode I think, was using fourth schoss for legs, and alky's I think (MIGHT have had osode, but I doubt it)... Beauc, and we had several on War.

    At some point through the run, every single one of them commented "Jesus christ, Max, how the hell did you do that?"

    To which I'd simply reply: Mbhuj, it does a body good.

    If you are ever in a steel spamming situation (it's ALSO good for KJ too, so don't despair, it goes Seismic > Perdu > Mbhuj > Byakko's) you will get a big rubbery one from swinging an Mbhuj around... if I used steel more, and wasn't selling stuff for Pld gear, I would still have one... I fucking loved mah bhuj.

  18. #2798
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    Just hit level 60 DRK and am enjoying Guillotine after spending levels 1-59 with nothing but shitty, shitty weapon skills. Here are my gear questions:

    For Guillotine:
    Life Belt - +10 ACC
    or
    Potent Belt - +3 STR, +8 ACC

    and

    Pallas's Bracelets - +9 STR, -5 DEX, -5 AGI
    or
    Royal Knight's Mufflers - +3 ACC

    For TPing:
    Life Belt - +10 ACC
    or
    Potent Belt - +3 STR, +8 ACC

    Thank you!

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    Dont use bracelets for multi-hit WS's.

    Personally, Id use Potent for both, depends on your acc though of course.

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    Potent is +3 STR silly!

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