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    Quote Originally Posted by Isiolia View Post
    NIN priority shifts as you level, and of course depends on what you're doing. The general thing for XP/merit is to do as much damage as you can while still keeping shadows up. Prior to 40, there aren't many options. 40-50/55ish the Elemental Wheel is the way to go as it can produce a lot more damage than swinging Katanas. Gearing for INT/MAB is nice then.

    Haste is good, but there's not a lot of gear for it prior to the 70s. Enmity is also good, but options are limites, and it's macroed only. Likewise, Ninjitsu Skill is sparse, and macro gear only anyway. You'll still get hate if it's resisted though.

    NIN is something of an uphill battle, especially these days. Again, main thing in XP is doing damage. If you don't do that, you don't hold hate. Having Evasion in the mix isn't bad per se, but it's often a moot point. At mid/high levels, it becomes impractical to have enough to make much of a difference. By swapping out DD gear for it, you wind up hurting yourself more than helping.

    Hmm I'm level 66. I don't think I do much dmg from ninjutsu than swinging the katana, maybe I need to look at my gears. Have some INT/MAB from my blm I might be able to use.

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    At 66 don't worry about nuking since you have Jin now. Hauby, and other assorted DD gear and go to town.

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    Quote Originally Posted by byte View Post
    Use Perdu Voulge and sell Juggernaut.
    Fixed for increased accuracy.

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    294 Divine, 73+34 MND without Belt slot, NQ Light staff and Light Grip

    Swift Belt for recast time, or Penitent's Rope for Repose? Does MND even affect Repose accuracy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Natara View Post
    Hmm I'm level 66. I don't think I do much dmg from ninjutsu than swinging the katana, maybe I need to look at my gears. Have some INT/MAB from my blm I might be able to use.
    Yeah, at 66 (that's not "just starting" btw =P) you're past where you'd use the wheel much. At that point, just gear for melee.

  6. #3106
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greatguardian View Post
    294 Divine, 73+34 MND without Belt slot, NQ Light staff and Light Grip

    Swift Belt for recast time, or Penitent's Rope for Repose? Does MND even affect Repose accuracy?
    MND probably does affect Repose M.Acc, if you're sleeping anything higher level I'd go with the P.Rope, otherwise Swift Belt should be fine.

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    So was there a definitive answer on Terror Shield vs Koenig/Kaiser?

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    Beast Killer, and a little Def/Vit

    vs

    20 Hp, 1 Enm, and Campaign D.ring.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Max™ View Post
    Beast Killer, and a little Def/Vit

    vs

    20 Hp, 1 Enm, and Campaign D.ring.
    Pretty much this.

    - Koenig if you need slightly better damage reduction or Beast Killer. Or must look sexier.
    - Terror if you need slightly better HP and Enmity. Or do Campaign.
    - Kaiser if you poop gil.

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    Some questions for Elegy...

    Bard Roundlet +1 Vs Marduk Tiara
    Shadow Clogs Vs Oracle's Pigaches
    NQ Choral Cannions Vs Mahatma Slops
    Omega Ring vs 2nd Nereid Ring

    Current set up:
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    Bugard leather strap +1
    Horn +1
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    Wind Torque
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    Choral cuffs +1
    Nereid Ring
    Omega Ring
    Jester's cape
    Gleeman's Belt
    Mahatma slops
    Shadow Clogs

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    edit: fuck it, I ended up answering my own question, lol

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    for ninja AF1 body + sushi beats any meat setups with hauby/AF2 body/usukane body, at least for me. tested in a nin only meripo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryskar View Post
    Alright; I'm 71 NIN, and I'm wondering what body I should TP in when I get up in the final levels? I have both haub and Shura togi (75 MNK), but no AF2 body and no katana merits (which I do not plan on getting, I already have weapon merits for MNK and THF).

    if I'm eating sushi (this is likely I'm guessing), should I just use AF1 body? I never see any ninjas use togi, which is why I'm hesitant to try it. I have suppa and all the standard haste gear (sans dusk gloves, which I'm working towards) if that helps.

    tl;dr = haub vs af1 body vs togi go!
    haub by far. ninja is also a sushi only job (or pizza now I guess) unless you are at birds where it's ok to just spam kabobs (guess crab sushi is cheap too).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xera View Post
    Some questions for Elegy...

    Bard Roundlet +1 Vs Marduk Tiara
    Shadow Clogs Vs Oracle's Pigaches
    NQ Choral Cannions Vs Mahatma Slops
    Omega Ring vs 2nd Nereid Ring
    marduk's
    oracles
    mahatma
    omega

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    M'k, I'll try both of them out and see what the results are, thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mdkuser View Post
    for ninja AF1 body + sushi beats any meat setups with hauby/AF2 body/usukane body, at least for me. tested in a nin only meripo.
    This is what I do for 90% of all things I do on Ninja, but I eat Pizza instead, only using Sushi if I really need.

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    I'm a PLD75, kiting statues and voking mobs in Dynamis. I'm new to Dynamis, and endgame in general, so I had a question about sub job.

    I use /WAR currently, but that is my only sub job available besides /DNC. What would be the recommended sub job for such an activity in Dynamis, so I know which to level and which to use?

    /WAR - Gives Provoke and Defender
    /NIN - Gives Utsusemi for added survivability, Gimped NIN Enfeebles for minor hate gain
    /DRK - Gives Stun, which is equal to Flash in terms of VE and CE, Sleep, and a few low level enfeebles for hate generation, as well as two JAs that generate a nice VE spike.
    /BLU - Nice Defensive Spells, two AoE Sleep spells that generate a fair amount of CE, and Head Butt.

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    Dynamis only? /WAR is all you need really, but that doesn't mean the others SJs are fail; fights are so short though.

    • /NIN maybe for ultra low man setups? The casting time on 37- NIN enfeebles is a waste of time imo
    • I've heard of people using /BLU to get hate on multiple mobs at once
    • /DRK, I think Provoke/Defender > Stun and a 5-6 minute hate spike from SE or LR

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mad Friar Avelyn View Post
    I'm a PLD75, kiting statues and voking mobs in Dynamis. I'm new to Dynamis, and endgame in general, so I had a question about sub job.

    I use /WAR currently, but that is my only sub job available besides /DNC. What would be the recommended sub job for such an activity in Dynamis, so I know which to level and which to use?

    /WAR - Gives Provoke and Defender
    /NIN - Gives Utsusemi for added survivability, Gimped NIN Enfeebles for minor hate gain
    /DRK - Gives Stun, which is equal to Flash in terms of VE and CE, Sleep, and a few low level enfeebles for hate generation, as well as two JAs that generate a nice VE spike.
    /BLU - Nice Defensive Spells, two AoE Sleep spells that generate a fair amount of CE, and Head Butt.
    /WAR for cities, realistically. A nice 'all purpose' subjob for Dynamis.

    /NIN potentially for a lowish man Xarcabard. Harder to keep hate, but wonderful for the NMs that hit hard. /WAR works here too though.

    /DRK if you have massive support. Like, a fulltime BRD, RDM, and WHM watching you. Will have awesome hate potential, but fewer tools to save you if things go wrong.

    I have never seen /BLU in Dynamis yet, so I really cant comment on it. I would assume its playstyle similiar to a hybrid between /NIN and /DRK.

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    Askar hands or dusk hands for overall pld/nin tanking?
    If askar hands are better should i sell dusk or keep it for drk and war?
    Homam is not a option at this point.

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