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    Re: Whats better?

    Quote Originally Posted by Apessius
    Chasuble +1 or RDM af1 body for landing debuffs on HNMs?
    AF, no contest unless you're talking about Stun or something.

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    Re: Whats better?

    Quote Originally Posted by Plight
    Quote Originally Posted by Apessius
    Chasuble +1 or RDM af1 body for landing debuffs on HNMs?
    AF, no contest unless you're talking about Stun or something.
    This exact question is why the newbie forum rules are in place. :D

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    Re: Whats better?

    Quote Originally Posted by Plight
    Quote Originally Posted by Apessius
    Chasuble +1 or RDM af1 body for landing debuffs on HNMs?
    AF, no contest unless you're talking about Stun or something.
    Along those lines, if you have Nashira manteel, use it instead.

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    Re: Whats better?

    Quote Originally Posted by travOtaku
    Blue Cotehardie or Assault Jerkin for DE/Evisceration as DNC?

    My current setup has +21 STR/+23 DEX/+60 ATK with Assault Jerkin.

    My setup would become +25 STR/+26 DEX/+43 ATK with the Cotehardie.
    I know it's not what you're asking, but I would recommend Scorpion Harness since both WSs are multihits and therefore accuracy > all in terms of average weaponskill damage potential, generally speaking.

    However, out of those two, I would pick Assault Jerkin in both scenarios (unless of course your attack was capped)!

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    Re: Whats better?

    Quote Originally Posted by Indalecia
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    Quote Originally Posted by Apessius
    Chasuble +1 or RDM af1 body for landing debuffs on HNMs?
    AF, no contest unless you're talking about Stun or something.
    Along those lines, if you have Nashira manteel, use it instead.
    I use a Glamor Jupon for Dark Magic, because I just can't bring myself to buy a Chasuble.

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    Re: Whats better?

    Not that I'm an expert, but I'd pick Scout's Belt personally.

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    Re: Whats better?

    Quote Originally Posted by Raen Ryong
    Quote Originally Posted by travOtaku
    Blue Cotehardie or Assault Jerkin for DE/Evisceration as DNC?

    My current setup has +21 STR/+23 DEX/+60 ATK with Assault Jerkin.

    My setup would become +25 STR/+26 DEX/+43 ATK with the Cotehardie.
    I know it's not what you're asking, but I would recommend Scorpion Harness since both WSs are multihits and therefore accuracy > all in terms of average weaponskill damage potential, generally speaking.

    However, out of those two, I would pick Assault Jerkin in both scenarios (unless of course your attack was capped)!
    I have a Scorpion Harness which I use in my TP setup, but I have found that if I use the EVA- step coupled with Building Flourish that I can afford to macro out the SH and still land all 6 hits reliably. My DE macro is set up so that I just have to switch my bazaar around and it modifies what gear I'm wearing/will be wearing.

    I was just curious in terms of maximizing my damage (say, against DCs/EMs or whatever where ACC really wouldn't be an issue, especially with BF) which would be best.

    What would capped ATK be for a level 71? (I assume you don't mean 999 >_>; ) Right now, with food, I am sitting at around 420 ATK, with my AJ+WS gear equipped.

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    Re: Whats better?

    Pretty sure 17 attack will benefit you more than 4 str, 3 dex

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    Re: Whats better?

    Quote Originally Posted by Obev
    I use a Glamor Jupon for Dark Magic, because I just can't bring myself to buy a Chasuble.
    And I thought I was the only one.

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    Re: Whats better?

    The rngs in my ls kept on testing ratk vs str alot and they discovered that if they had a brd for minuets thier ratk was capped quite easily and quickly and they couldn't exceed X damage unless they added more str instead during tp or ws. (all of them were eating meat and had the "standard" rng gear)
    Because of this they always say that if you don't have a brd use ratk and if you do have a brd use str.
    they also like to use /war so since i dont have all thier data locked away thanks to me not having rng leveled the zerk might be what caps thier ratk fast.

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    Re: Whats better?

    BRD hat question - searched around, found various answers.
    I have Demon Helm +1 laying around from BLM, and I also have Opo-opo crown. Since I just dinged 65, I'm wearing the crown.
    When it becomes available, should I switch from crown to helm?
    Basically, which is better for buffs/debuffs? I'm assuming Helm+1 for buffs, but I can't decide for debuffs...

    Also, I know that Relic hat > Helm+1, but I don't have it yet. If it drops on Wednesdays dyna it'll be freelot, so I'll hopefully get. Until then, which is best? Thanks in advance.

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    Re: Whats better?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aella
    BRD hat question - searched around, found various answers.
    I have Demon Helm +1 laying around from BLM, and I also have Opo-opo crown. Since I just dinged 65, I'm wearing the crown.
    When it becomes available, should I switch from crown to helm?
    Basically, which is better for buffs/debuffs? I'm assuming Helm+1 for buffs, but I can't decide for debuffs...

    Also, I know that Relic hat > Helm+1, but I don't have it yet. If it drops on Wednesdays dyna it'll be freelot, so I'll hopefully get. Until then, which is best? Thanks in advance.

    Demon helm wont help with buffs if your 75. if your skills are capped, the only way you can raise your minuet is with merits. on the other hand, skill will help with your debuffs. as long as you have your CHR above 100+ (base +buffs total) just focus on skill

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    Re: Whats better?

    So at 75 it won't, but what about 73 when I can first wear it? =o
    Tier caps go in 10s...? <.< If so, then I can just do the calculations...

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    Re: Whats better?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aella
    So at 75 it won't, but what about 73 when I can first wear it? =o
    Tier caps go in 10s...? <.< If so, then I can just do the calculations...
    probably not. skill+ only helps 3-4 levels after you get minuet III and IV. and with the other + skill items avaliable at 73 (musical earring, wind torque, etc) it will offset the level difference

    at lvl75 with cornette +1 or gjallarhorn, IV caps at 61, and III is 53. with x5 minuet merits, its 66 and 58 respectfully

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    Re: Whats better?

    Cool, thanks.

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    Re: Whats better?

    Quote Originally Posted by travOtaku
    I have a Scorpion Harness which I use in my TP setup, but I have found that if I use the EVA- step coupled with Building Flourish that I can afford to macro out the SH and still land all 6 hits reliably. My DE macro is set up so that I just have to switch my bazaar around and it modifies what gear I'm wearing/will be wearing.

    I was just curious in terms of maximizing my damage (say, against DCs/EMs or whatever where ACC really wouldn't be an issue, especially with BF) which would be best.

    What would capped ATK be for a level 71? (I assume you don't mean 999 >_>; ) Right now, with food, I am sitting at around 420 ATK, with my AJ+WS gear equipped.
    Attack capping is entirely dependent on the mob in question. If you have a monster of equal level, using melee attack, capped attack is 2x its defence. However, for every level the monster is above you, you need more attack to cap.

    In terms of formula, this looks like;

    Melee cRATIO = (Your Attack / Opponent's Defence) - (0.05 * dLVL), where dLVL is the number of levels the monster is above you.

    EDIT: cRATIO caps at 2, which is why you can see if dLVL is 0, then your capped cRATIO of 2 will be 2x the mob's defence.

    Also, the lower level the enemy you're fighting is, the less beneficial adding attack will be. 420 Attack with food pretty safely means that adding the 17 attack will have a big impact assuming you are fighting mobs with good defence. Basically, the less the defence of the opponent, the better your Cotehardie's damage will be comparatively, but unless you are capped, the AJ build will likely do more damage in most situations.

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    Re: Whats better?

    Quote Originally Posted by Plight
    Quote Originally Posted by Apessius
    Chasuble +1 or RDM af1 body for landing debuffs on HNMs?
    AF, no contest unless you're talking about Stun or something.
    Yeah, I actually meant dark based spells moreso: Drain/aspir/stun.. of course since those are dark skill based, the chasuble wins w/magic acc.. I just don't remember the equation of magic acc:skill. If its 3skill = 1 magic acc, then I can see the chasuble +1 winning out on some things.

    Excuse my apparent lack of foresight before asking the question, geez. Its why I put it in this forum under this topic.

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    Re: Whats better?

    This is kinda late being my WAR is 72 and I'm only 1 level off from Nhands, but....

    Spiked Finger Gauntlets vs. Taru RSE2 Hands for Rampage/RR/Vorpal?

    Also, opinions on Dusk Feet ( NQ ) vs. Unicorn Leggings.

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    Re: Whats better?

    Quote Originally Posted by Apessius
    Quote Originally Posted by Plight
    Quote Originally Posted by Apessius
    Chasuble +1 or RDM af1 body for landing debuffs on HNMs?
    AF, no contest unless you're talking about Stun or something.
    Yeah, I actually meant dark based spells moreso: Drain/aspir/stun.. of course since those are dark skill based, the chasuble wins w/magic acc.. I just don't remember the equation of magic acc:skill. If its 3skill = 1 magic acc, then I can see the chasuble +1 winning out on some things.

    Excuse my apparent lack of foresight before asking the question, geez. Its why I put it in this forum under this topic.
    The last estimates I saw were that skill:m.acc was still 1:1

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