Whats better?

[Akyrey90]

Thx a lot ^^ doing some maths i have 322 skill and 113 int with af1+1 hat,so i'll use it!just need to work on some more INT now ^^

Best of luck on Marquis Orias. >_<;

i hope he will drop soon xD ( dyna-xarca yesterday and no drop ; ; )


actually was checking now...my equip on hnm usually is ( as blm ) :
Bugard strap +1 INT +1
Sweet Sachet INT +2
Wizard's Petasos +1 INT +5
Elemental Torque skill +7
Moldavite Earring
Magnetic Earring
Igqira Weskit skill +5
Wizard's Gloves ( working on the +1 ) skill +15
Omega Ring INT +3 Macc +3
Tamas Ring INT +5
Ixion Cloak INT +5
Penitent's Rope INT +5
Mahatma Slops INT +8
Rostrum Pumps INT +3
having 319 skill + 3 Macc and 76 + 37 INT

was thinking to switch in the previous set:
Shadow Hat Macc +5
Errant Body INT +10
having 314 skill + 8 Macc and 76 + 42 INT

would it be worst?

[Classikmage]

What would be better body piece on Magic Hammer? W Body or AF1 Body? I wouldn't mind getting suggestions for other slots too.

[Quetz_Jamal]

I'd prolly rank it along the lines of Ares' > N.Legs/Byakko's > Hachiryu Haidate > Afv2.

Ares' offers the best of 3 worlds, Dex for being a crit based ws, Str as its main modifier and DA to boot. Haven't had a 35 drop for me yet so haven't been able to test this still.

If no Ares' but had N.Legs and Byakko's I'd probably use N.Legs with Bergressor up and Haidate with Bergressor down.

Hachiryu, I'm not sure if the Str gain is worth loosing all that Dex from Byakko's since it's only a 30% Str modifier. My friend just got this drop couple weeks ago and been planning to do some parsing with it just been to busy to actually do it so far.

Afv2 falls behind Byakko's. Too much Dex loss and not enough Str to compensate it.

Its all dependant on the DEX values of the rest of your ws set. If you have other decent DEX pieces you ws in (ex. n.head, ebody, Rajas, warwolf) you'll be reasonably close to higher DEX tiers anyway, so you'll see a more consistently higher ws overall with the DEX on haidate. As far as raw potential for ws, the Ares' will win out, you just won't hit the higher numbers on a consistent basis.

That being said, I prefer King's Justice anyway to RR...and its Ares' hands down for that!

[Araelus]

actually was checking now...my equip on hnm usually is ( as blm ) :
... having 319 skill + 3 Macc and 76 + 37 INT

was thinking to switch in the previous set:
Shadow Hat Macc +5
Errant Body INT +10
having 314 skill + 8 Macc and 76 + 42 INT

So basically for you the debate is 322/113 vs. 322/118.
Your accuracy in terms of effective skill is the same at the gain of 5 INT.

If you eat a Cream Puff on top of those builds for +7 INT it reaches an
INT of 120 vs. 125 and obviously either will get you over the hurdle.

That 320/120 goal is to reduce your resist rate as much as possible, of course. Being above it before you tack on MAB doesn't hurt. At first glance the Shadow build has higher numbers. Then again the Weskit you swapped out is MAB+6 and also two Conserve MP. But you have more enmity reduction with the Shadow/Errant build.

If you are hitting the accuracy cap with your AF/Weskit (plus a Cream Puff for food) then I'd say stick with it. If you want to trade the 5MAB for 5INT it's some extra insurance go ahead to Shadow/Errant. Once you pick up your Wizard's Gloves +1 it will close the gap and I'd switch back to AF/Weskit build.

That target 120 INT value is for mobs with high INT, and it doesn't hurt anyway but you'll be better off stacking skill once you hit 120 instead of INT at the expense of skill on, say, Cerberus. Some HNM have less than 110 INT. Or is this build for wyrms?

(I may have some fatal flaw here, I completely messed up some TP calculations earlier. I do not want to mislead anyone, so if wiser minds see something bad please call me out on it. Thanks)

P.S. Oh, heya Jamal. :D

[Quetz_Jamal]

P.S. Oh, heya Jamal. :D

Who is this Jamal you speak of?!?!

COR up to 63...I'm going to need moar merits soon =P

[Valyana]

for WAR is there ever any use for Ares Mask?

Sure: Ares Mask beats turban if you don't have any magic/JA haste (solo, dead BRD or w/e) and don't have capped acc.

14->19% Haste is 6.2% improvement (7.6% with Haste, 9.1% with Haste+V, 10.9% with H+V+A, 13.9% with Hasso as well)
89->95% acc is 6.7% improvement.
70->76% acc is 8.6% improvement.

and the attack is an added bonus.

[Wulfgang]

for WAR is there ever any use for Ares Mask?

If you don't have N. Head (like me), I don't see anything better; at least for KJ and RR.

[Max™]

Sexiness in town too.

Shit like Faffles when he's being a cock and wants to spam wings, rather put on some acc/att gear in big chunks if possible.

[isladar]

since that is open for debate I have a kind've continuing question:

for WAR is there ever any use for Ares Mask?

Real answer: It's a Haubergeon.. for your face.

[Max™]

Real answer: It's a Haubergeon.. for your face.

*kneels before Isladar*

[homerun]

If you don't have N. Head (like me), I don't see anything better; at least for KJ and RR.

Askar head seems ok for RR

[Pindle]

Onimaru @ 300% TP (no Sekkanoki) vs Hagun @ 300%TP w/ Sekkanoki. Sorry if it's been asked before, but I couldn't find any answers by using the search option.

[BerenTebogo]

Real answer: It's a Haubergeon.. for your face.

<3

[FailureMidgard]

Onimaru @ 300% TP (no Sekkanoki) vs Hagun @ 300%TP w/ Sekkanoki. Sorry if it's been asked before, but I couldn't find any answers by using the search option.

I'm confused why you have Sekkanoki in 1 and not the other...

You're basically asking if 8 weapon damage on 1 WS is better than a sekkanoki'd WS on Hagun + the Darkness chain it will create? Don't even need to do math, there's no way for the Onimaru/noSekka option to compete...

[Pindle]

I'm confused why you have Sekkanoki in 1 and not the other...

You're basically asking if 8 weapon damage on 1 WS is better than a sekkanoki'd WS on Hagun + the Darkness chain it will create? Don't even need to do math, there's no way for the Onimaru/noSekka option to compete...

I know, but I remember some people extolling the virtues of a 300% Onimaru and then switching to another GKT. The only reason Hagun's the opponent is because I have one. This is also on burn situations where there are multiple WSes going off so you can't factor in the SC.

[FailureMidgard]

I know, but I remember some people extolling the virtues of a 300% Onimaru and then switching to another GKT. The only reason Hagun's the opponent is because I have one. This is also on burn situations where there are multiple WSes going off so you can't factor in the SC.

Why are you not using Sekkanoki with the Onimaru though? Shouldn't the comparison be Sekkanoki with both? If so, then maybe there's some math to be done. Even without SC dmg, there is no contest in 1 300TP WS with Onimaru vs a 100TP+300TP WS with Hagun...

[Pindle]

Why are you not using Sekkanoki with the Onimaru though? Shouldn't the comparison be Sekkanoki with both? If so, then maybe there's some math to be done. Even without SC dmg, there is no contest in 1 300TP WS with Onimaru vs a 100TP+300TP WS with Hagun...

That's pretty much what I figured, but I wanted to come here and make sure of it. I left Sekkanoki off of the Onimaru because there's no TP bonus on it with the latent/hidden effect only active under 100TP, correct? That would basically mean a Sekkanoki WS with the Onimaru is pretty much comparable to the Hagun.

[FailureMidgard]

That's pretty much what I figured, but I wanted to come here and make sure of it. I left Sekkanoki off of the Onimaru because there's no TP bonus on it with the latent/hidden effect only active under 100TP, correct? That would basically mean a Sekkanoki WS with the Onimaru is pretty much comparable to the Hagun.

Yea, the Sekkanoki WS for both weapons should be very similar (with Onimaru being 2 base damage higher).

The 2nd WS if both use Sekkanoki is 8 base damage vs 33.3% damage (assuming capped attack). There is no way for 8 base damage to compete with 33.3% damage.

[Araelus]

Onimaru @ 300% TP (no Sekkanoki) vs Hagun @ 300%TP w/ Sekkanoki. Sorry if it's been asked before, but I couldn't find any answers by using the search option.

FailureMidgard mostly covered this for you (EDIT: sorry, FM, your 05:11 PM didn't appear for me until I posted this - loaded a few tabs and so this was opened before :11) but if you do use Sekkanoki with both, and it's Rana > Gekko, that first 100TP WS is going to be basically identical (2DMG difference) and then the TP Bonus on Hagun increases Gekko damage (which is mirrored, widening the gap even further) much more than the DMG/att/acc bonuses of Onimaru ever can. Onimaru would need +50STR or something else impossible to match it.

Who is this Jamal you speak of?!?!

COR up to 63...I'm going to need moar merits soon =P

Your forum name here and sig pic is similar to an Elvaan WAR on this server I play on. Huh, weird coincidence.

[Quetz_Jamal]

Your forum name here and sig pic is similar to an Elvaan WAR on this server I play on. Huh, weird coincidence.

There are no such things as coincidence, it is me!

My opinion on Ares' Mask...yes its a Hauby for your face...but if there was a 4 or 5% haste piece for my body lord knows I wouldn't be using a hauby there...

WS wise attack+acc are nice, but also can be found elsewhere.

Ebody + n.head =

STR+21 DEX+15 Attack+15 Acc+15

Ares cuirass + mask =

STR+12 attack+27 Acc+12 DEX+0

Hauby (+1) + G.helm =
STR+12 attack+19 acc+11 DEX+9

Only situations I'd use it are:

A: Don't have n.head or G.helm for ws
B: EXTREMELY evasive mobs