Whats better?

[Shinryuu]

He could mean progress (from Algol to Naglering to Ragnarok) but Nagle's easier to obtain :3

[Farseer]

yes! what he said!

[liggy 0]

subduer =/

[Raen Ryong]

6hit Naglering is better than any other nonrelic option as far as I'm concerned though Subduer has the better melee DoT.

[Farseer]

Haven't seen anyone with penis-sword for ages... probably because it looks like a penis?

[Maaglin]

6hit Naglering is better than any other nonrelic option as far as I'm concerned though Subduer has the better melee DoT.

I agree with this.

Eat carbonara and use nagel if you want some great swording action for something different from time to time.

[Max™]

Subduer is a pain to get, no one does the KSNM's it drops from unless you specifically set up a group for it.

[Gustave]

I prefer this setup - FFXIAH.com and hedgehog pie most of the time. Seems like the extra attack from pie boost my Spinning Slash a decent bit. Also I get to keep my breeze gorget and Strength Ring.(Over other STp options) I've never really did the math but I'm sure if you could afford the food there are other options that may be better.

[Tulun]

Wouldn't Echphoria Ring + Bomblet be far better than Toreador + White Tathlum?

504 with /sam + Brutal, Rajas, Ech is 6-hit, no?

[Wulfgang]

Subduer is a pain to get, no one does the KSNM's it drops from unless you specifically set up a group for it.

Double Dragonian takes 2 minutes a run and can be done with 3-4 people easily for fairly similar drops as the other KS30s. However, it did take 16 runs to get a Subduer drop for me...

[Mugekuge]

Wouldn't Echphoria Ring + Bomblet be far better than Toreador + White Tathlum?

504 with /sam + Brutal, Rajas, Ech is 6-hit, no?

Naglering is 501.

[Raen Ryong]

You need +2sTP during TP and WS to 6hit Naglering additional to /sam, Rajas and Brutal Earring.

White Tathlum is optimal if you have an Adaman Hauberk and/or a 7acc ring, otherwise

Attila's/Ecphoria for TP and Askar Korazin for WS.

Carbonara will remedy this problem of course, and Aurum Cuirass is interesting though I haven't fully analysed its possibilities yet.

EDIT: If you have a White Tathlum but no Adaberk/7acc ring, WS in Tathlum and the rest of your normal gear.

[Cream Soda]

Or just use Scythe

[Nameless]

You need 23 store tp for TPing and 22 store tp for WSing for a 6 hit Naglering build. Even though I have prudence torque, I use Chiv. chain + Ech. ring for the 23, and use attulas earring for WSing over assault or triumph. Works great.

With that ffxiah.com setup, you will gain 2 more accuracy over my setup (with bomblet on ammo slot) but lose 6 attack and 3 str (0.75 base damage), given that both of us got adaberk, I would say that 6 attack and 3 str might be better, and overall cheaper.

For WS it seems like you use white tathlum as well (otherwise you won't get 6 hit, you would be at 99.9 if you WS with store tp 21). And I use bombcore since acc doesn't matter much, so 12 attack vs either 2 str or 2 acc + 5 attack (assault earring). I think again bombcore + attalus earring would be better for ws.

Just a suggestion.

[Nameless]

Only downside of that tho, is when you run around WG and ppl examine you. They will probably be telling their friends, "dude, I just saw a ebody drk walking around with store tp +1 ring and chiv. chain, freaking gimp...". But yea, in the end, I rather have a 6 hit build than wearing prudence and toreador and look pretty.

As for eating carbonara or whenever you get sam roll. When that happens I just switch to Algol for a 6 hit build. Lower delay, higher DoT thanks for fire proc and TA.

[Thunder]

Only downside of that tho, is when you run around WG and ppl examine you. They will probably be telling their friends, "dude, I just saw a ebody drk walking around with store tp +1 ring and chiv. chain, freaking gimp...". But yea, in the end, I rather have a 6 hit build than wearing prudence and toreador and look pretty.

All the good players would check you and tell their friends, "dude, I just saw a ebody drk walking around with toreadors and prudence torque with a naglering so no 6hit, freaking gimp..."

[Callisto]

72 WAR, Dusk Trousers vs. Exorcist Hose vs. other(non-Aurum) for TP/RR/SC?

[Nameless]

lol, true that as well.

[Gustave]

I've been using bomblet over white tathlum lately since the only time I use great sword I'm in need for the extra acc and probably getting hit with aoe. When /sam between aoe/getting hit, absorb-Tp, meditate, uncapped acc, and not always ws at 100%(waiting for blms's or SC partner) I've been really reconsidering sticking with a 6 hit with my Nagelring. I'm normally 68/70 on Drk and I carry white tathlum for Max HP dread spikes build already. I don't think I could force atilia's and ecph into my inventory.

I didn't know if you tp in +23 STp you only need to WS in +22. I was under the impression I would have to WS in ecphoria/atilia's (-7 str). TP in white tathlum/toreador's and WS in bomb core/atilia's maybe the better choice in most situations.

[liggy 0]

Or just use Scythe

you get better WS dmg n access to light for SC on HNM