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  1. #3561
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    If you have odd dex Iota is fine IIRC, think it's Acc+3 DEX+3 right? Then it's as good as NQ Sniper; kinda better because of DEX crit relationship but you won't really notice so...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aragon of Odin View Post
    For RR I personally believe both Ares' and N.Legs are better then Byakko's. I don't have either of the 2 so can't really provide proof about it, but it is what I believe. I know it was brought up not too long ago as well, but for WS's that have a chance to crit it has never been proven or disproven that Dex plays a factor on critting during a WS.

    I'd never sacrifice 5 STR for 5 Dex, so stick with Flame rings unless you're lacking ACC then get an ACC ring.

    Natara for KJ use Ares', for Rampage stick with Byakko's if you have em, if not N.Legs. Rampage a 5?(can't remember been so long since I used it) hit WS with an A- weapon, so depending on your ACC you may need the extra ACC from the Byakko's.
    Seriously, Rampage = use Byakko's? I have both N legs and Byakko, but not the Ares... Hmm

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    I say Byakko's for Rampage because it's a 1H weapon and the extra ACC from them will probably help you out more, unless you're actually referring to Raging Rush. And from your previous question I just assumed you had Ares'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cream Soda View Post
    Not sure about sam, but I pulled this up from alla for mnk
    Someone dumb this down for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shinryuu View Post
    New bodypieces, some input:
    Store TP+4 Snapshot+5% for RNG (5-hit build for Vali's without needing Cobra feet)
    Might be a bit off topic but, 5hit Vali Bow Rng/Sam using Cobra as feet vs Rng/War Vali Bow using Scouts socks as feet, who would win?

    Because if its the 5hit /sam, i'm gonna go run and get me some cobra feet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Devolver View Post
    Someone dumb this down for me.
    Laconic version:

    For a monk with a Togi and no Usu body, get
    http://wiki.bluegartr.com/images/c/c...escription.png
    +10 Accuracy +10 Attack
    (the "Monk Haubergeon") and then toss it when you get an Usukane Haramaki.

    Enkidu's = Togi < MirkeHauby < Usukane

    More detail:

    +10 Attack is better that +3% Crit or +2% DA for Monk considering the Waldecors.

    If you have other jobs (PLD NIN COR RNG SMN PUP BST) there are other, better options for the new rewards, keep using that Togi on MNK.

    Quote Originally Posted by Shinryuu View Post
    SAM: Store TP +4 ACC+10 (w/ DEX+5 STR+5) -> TP piece
    Store TP +4 vs. STR+1 DEX+1 ACC+2 ATT+12 ...fight!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Araelus View Post
    Store TP +4 vs. STR+1 DEX+1 ACC+2 ATT+12 ...fight!
    if you don't have rajas, I'd say store tp would win easy for 6-hit reasons[it + usukane feet = 6-hit no rajas], though if rajas[no usukane feet] it would be probably better on not high defense stuff assuming you don't mind having to tp in ecphoria ring or chiv chain.

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    If I see any motherfucking Sams running around with Coselete's sporting Store TP +4 and Att +10 or DA +2%... I'm probably going to become so enraged that I will produce a spacetime defect as the very fabric of the universe flees my presence. Then I will leap through that defect to the real location of the moron wearing that Askar -1 shit, and I will utter a single word, one which will then become a killing word, forbidden to be spoken ever again. The clap of spacetime healing over the rend I induced in it will sound like a million windows breaking, and the gush of heavy particles released will utterly sterilize the site of my wrath for several decades.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Max™ View Post
    If I see any motherfucking Sams running around with Coselete's sporting Store TP +4 and Att +10 or DA +2%... I'm probably going to become so enraged that I will produce a spacetime defect as the very fabric of the universe flees my presence. Then I will leap through that defect to the real location of the moron wearing that Askar -1 shit, and I will utter a single word, one which will then become a killing word, forbidden to be spoken ever again. The clap of spacetime healing over the rend I induced in it will sound like a million windows breaking, and the gush of heavy particles released will utterly sterilize the site of my wrath for several decades.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SAM Man
    Did you see that Nuevo Coselete? Needs some +10 Att and Crit+3%.
    Quote Originally Posted by Max™
    You don't understand what a Haubergeon is, so I'm going to cut you some slack. Trust me. Just turn around, and walk away.
    Quote Originally Posted by SAM Man
    I'mm make Store TP +4 and DA+2% right now!
    Quote Originally Posted by Max™
    Don't say another damn word. Up until now, I've been polite. If you say anything else - word one - I will kill myself. And when my tainted spirit finds its destination, I will topple the master of that dark place. From my black throne, I will lash together a machine of bone and blood, and fueled by my hatred for you this fear engine will bore a hole between this world and that one.

    When it begins, you will hear the sound of children screaming - as though from a great distance. A smoking orb of nothing will grow above your head, and from it will emerge a thousand starving crows. As I slip through the widening maw in my new form, you will catch only a glimpse of my radiance before you are incinerated. Then, as tears of bubbling pitch stream down my face, my dark work will being.

    I will open one of my six mouths, and I will sing the song that ends the Earth.

    At least that's what immediately sprang to mind. Except with less dark magic and more particle physics.

    With Rajas, Usu feet but no Usu body, +10 Acc DA+2% might be an option? I mean it's basically just taking a NQ Hauby and swapping +10 Attack for something else, so that "something else" has to be better than a HQ Haubergeon. Most people have a job that can benefit more from the other options, and/or they have better gear than I do on Samurai. :D

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    Something like that, yes.

    I'm not sure if I could hate a hole into the fabric of spacetime itself, but I'll damn well try if pushed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Staren View Post
    I know there will prolly be a thread or two made for the new armors. But the augment system has my head spinning just comparing attributes against each other.

    So for example, the new armor with +5 str +5dex +5 agi

    if I add + 10 atk and + 10 acc would make it a ws peice comparable to the antares harness as you're getting 2 more acc 10 more atk and str instead of +3 dex/agi

    but as a thief would I want to try to turn this into an all around peice and add effects for tp'ing in?

    the double atk + 2% and crit +3% are really shiny. So the question is for a tp peice would those two choices be the hands down pick or should I consider the 3% delay minus from dual wield and things like attack +?

    Acc really isnt a big issue for my regular hits or I'd have included it.

    Sorry if its confusing and poorly worded but like I said all these thoughts are having my head spin.

    Side small question how would that compare to the homam corazza for thief tping is dbl atk +2% > triple attack +1% ?

    I would test this all out on my own but I dont have gear really comparable to all of this.
    If accuracy is not an issue for your THF (pizza, sushi, weak mobs), then none of the combos can beat haste+4% on the rapparee harness.

    For uncapped accuracy (~80-88%), so far homam body+meat was the best. But homam just gives 15 acc, and does something 1/100 of the time ( a tripple attack), which is a ridiculously low rate. That's why DEX+5 STR+5 (AGI+5) acc+10 delay-3% will be far superior. It gives you 12-13 accuracy, enhances slightly your average melee dmg/crit rate, and reduces your delay 100% of the time, thus increasing your number of hits and ws in a given time period, by a straight 2~3%.

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    Attn: MNKs and faux MNKs.

    Enkidu's harness does not, at all, beat Shura togi for raw damage.

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    I know its most likely been asked already, but i couldnt find exactly what i wanted to find on the search option. So...

    Charger's vs Forager's

    For sam TP which is better?
    I tp in 31acc(gear) + 106 DEX total 288 GK skill + 10acc for hasso

    For thief TP which is better?
    I tp in 28 acc(gear) + 91 DEX total 292 Dagger Skill

    For ninja TP which is better?
    I tp in 34 acc(gear) + 106 total DEX normally use sole sushi when i can and 277 katana skill.

    I'm thinking acc is the most important part to base the decision off so i listed what acc/dex i tp in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hixxy View Post
    I know its most likely been asked already, but i couldnt find exactly what i wanted to find on the search option. So...

    Charger's vs Forager's

    For sam TP which is better?
    I tp in 31acc(gear) + 106 DEX total 288 GK skill + 10acc for hasso

    For thief TP which is better?
    I tp in 28 acc(gear) + 91 DEX total 292 Dagger Skill

    For ninja TP which is better?
    I tp in 34 acc(gear) + 106 total DEX normally use sole sushi when i can and 277 katana skill.

    I'm thinking acc is the most important part to base the decision off so i listed what acc/dex i tp in.
    um... did you mean cuch mantle cause how the hell does acc matter for 5 att vs 3 str?

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    Cuchulain's, all three.

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    Yeh sorry lol i meant cuch

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shinryuu View Post
    Cuchulain's, all three.
    for nin/thf yes, but on sam I'd say he's got enough acc for most stuff, though obivously depends little bit on mobs and buffs.

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    No he doesn't. 288 GKT skill, low DEX...

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    With mirke waldecors on a rng, what would one prefer? between snapshot/racc+10/ratk+10.

    Also, how would it compete with osode on ws?

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    foggy posts- specific answers yesplz

    bleh, ive seen most other potst and im still a bit foggy on a few things,

    First of all ill list my merits
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    75 sam:
    8/8 GK
    4/4 evasion (Vs 4/4 parry?)
    5/5 STR
    5/5 Store TP
    5/5 Meditate
    5/5Overwhelm
    1/5 Shikikoyo
    4/5 Ikishoten (for luls)

    Current Gear:
    Weapon: Hagun
    Sub: Pole grip
    ranged/ammo:Olibanum satchet (dreaming of ifrit's bow)

    TP- Wturban (working on Ace's helm)
    Haubergeon (want: askar korazin but my friend keeps telling me get Haubie +1)*plz dont talk about Nuevobergeon....
    Hachiman Kote +1 (dint have raja's ring for a nice time, also this is swaped in meditate macro thanks to 6/6 str peices swaped in str gear macro)
    Want: Askar manapolas but VS dusk gloves/+1
    Chiv Chain (Vs swap Pcharm, but i dont have any efficient macro to swap another peice.| Working on Justice Torque)
    Swift Belt (Working on Velocious)
    Bushi/brutal
    Byakko's Haidate
    Fuma's Sune-ate (looking torward usukane sune-ate)
    Forager's Mantle
    Raja's/[ulthalams vs iota ring]


    WS- Shura Zunari-Kabuto (working on ace's helm vs +6 str one in the past that i forget name)
    Chiv Chain(working on Snow gorget)
    bushi/brutal
    Askar korazin vs Haubergeon +1(for HNM|work in progress) and Osode (merit)
    Hachiman Kote +1 (i want to use myochin kote +1 but it wont fit in macro any sugesstions?) | Myochin kote +1 vs Alky braclets |*Note: im also paranoid about my acc scince I don't thave parser idk what my % is.
    flame/rajas
    warwolf belt
    Forager's mantle
    Shura Haidate VS Usukane legs (yes we all want Hachiryu and I'm looking torwards both soon) just wana know whats more worth while for ws.
    Rutter Sabatons

    yah i want to know whats the best balance, i dont like losing too much for something else cause i cant macro in alot of peices due to my macro problem that also needs help scince i use ps3 to play.

    also my constant arguments with my samurai friend (hes hume) keep me wondering if im looking the wrong way sometimes >.>

    i like staying alive (my constant /nin on most events) and i have 6k recorded deaths, i hardly /war anymore even tho i love the damage. is why i merited evasion, cause i know sam can evade but my parry skill is also 283+5 (bushi no merits, getting AF+1 legs for solo)

    any input on some of these items would be appreciated but if you can tell me right off the bat what to realy use and why id be very happy.

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