Whats better?

[Aragon of Odin]

With no room for GA merits I'd probably look at sticking with an ACC ring for one of your slots on KJ/RR when Aggressor is down, possibly even full time. I understand not wanting to put that kind of low for a Triumph/Alky as they're only minor boosts from what you have. Getting the N.Head/N.Feet would probably my my biggest concern other then B.Haidate if in your position.

[Natara]

How about Hachiryu Haidate for war ws?

[Hyriu]

I'd use em for KJ and Steel Cyclone(obviously), would probably RR in N.legs, thought.

[Max™]

Rampager for RR spam is a monster as well, still waiting on Arc's bitch ass to get me his parse comparing Ebody/full Dex crit build/Perdu/Clay vs Ramp/Pole, though I suggested he also do Perdu/Pole, and Ramp/Clay, but eh.

[Blademage]

Hyriu, i needs another Finale pearl man :O meet me in WG!

ok, real stuffs now

Denali gloves Vs fencing bracers vs Etoile bangles Vs Dancer's Bangles +1 for ws on dnc ~.~

[Hyriu]

Dancer's +1, assuming you're using Evisc or DE. Something with Acc on it would be better though.

[Shinryuu]

Rampager for RR spam is a monster as well, still waiting on Arc's bitch ass to get me his parse comparing Ebody/full Dex crit build/Perdu/Clay vs Ramp/Pole, though I suggested he also do Perdu/Pole, and Ramp/Clay, but eh.

If /pole beats /claymore with Perdu, it will beat it with Rampager. Current critical hitrate has no bearing on how good additional hitrate is.

Pole grip beats Claymore grip when your PDIF is higher than 1.5, by the way.

[Greenjade]

Man this sucks horribly...But I can't decide on something. Right now, I have RDM and BLM at 75 and DNC at 75 with no actual plan on leveling another meleeish type job.

Royal Redingote
Def 40 MP+20 Int+5 Mind+5 Chr+5
Whm/Blm/Rdm/Brd/Smn/Sch

With these two augments -
Magic Acc+4
Magic attack+4

VS.

Mirke Waldecors
Def: 42 HP + 10 MP +10 STR +5 Dex+5 AGI + 5

With these two augments.
ATT + 10
ACC + 10

Both my RDM and BLM have decent gear already (minus Morg body) but otherwise pretty good gear for both of them. As for my DNC Xarc isn't putting out to much so I don't have my relic body yet.

From what I read, the mage body with those two added augments is good if you don't have a Genie or a Morg body. I do currently have a Genie Weskit. And I believe from my understanding it can make a good nuking piece for RDM. But I don't nuke on RDM I usually heal or enfeeble. And the second body piece is good if you don't have Relic body for DNC. So I'm kind of stumped on which one of those two to pick from.


Now if I had to pick from looks I'd probably go with Mirke Waldecors. >.>; It's cute. :3

[Kimkytaru]

I have the same dilema with mnk and blm.

Both would be an upgrade, however since I'm aiming for usu Body, I'll get blm one I guess.

[Staren]

If accuracy is not an issue for your THF (pizza, sushi, weak mobs), then none of the combos can beat haste+4% on the rapparee harness.

For uncapped accuracy (~80-88%), so far homam body+meat was the best. But homam just gives 15 acc, and does something 1/100 of the time ( a tripple attack), which is a ridiculously low rate. That's why DEX+5 STR+5 (AGI+5) acc+10 delay-3% will be far superior. It gives you 12-13 accuracy, enhances slightly your average melee dmg/crit rate, and reduces your delay 100% of the time, thus increasing your number of hits and ws in a given time period, by a straight 2~3%.

And see thats what i was trying to figure. So for now I'll want to keep raparee harness as my tp peice then. I was trying to figure out if this would be a tp peice or a ws peice. I knew the whole time I should be using it as a ws peice but damn if it was just shiny enough for me to want to wear it all the time lols. Thanks for the input :D I'll prolly end up adding the acc and atk to it as it seems that will work for my thief for ws's and then when my monk is leveled I can wear it til I get Usu.

[Cream Soda]

Man this sucks horribly...But I can't decide on something. Right now, I have RDM and BLM at 75 and DNC at 75 with no actual plan on leveling another meleeish type job.



VS.



Both my RDM and BLM have decent gear already (minus Morg body) but otherwise pretty good gear for both of them. As for my DNC Xarc isn't putting out to much so I don't have my relic body yet.

From what I read, the mage body with those two added augments is good if you don't have a Genie or a Morg body. I do currently have a Genie Weskit. And I believe from my understanding it can make a good nuking piece for RDM. But I don't nuke on RDM I usually heal or enfeeble. And the second body piece is good if you don't have Relic body for DNC. So I'm kind of stumped on which one of those two to pick from.


Now if I had to pick from looks I'd probably go with Mirke Waldecors. >.>; It's cute. :3

If you choose the dnc body, provided you're subbing nin, you'd be better off with 10 acc 3% dual wield

[Greenjade]

Soda hop on MSN you gotta explain something to me. >_>;

[Skeelo]

for tanking chariots on mnk. hades santi or destroyers? mnk just turned 73 and will be tanking salvage once im 75

[Max™]

If /pole beats /claymore with Perdu, it will beat it with Rampager. Current critical hitrate has no bearing on how good additional hitrate is.

Pole grip beats Claymore grip when your PDIF is higher than 1.5, by the way.

That isn't what the big math battle a few months back said.

It basically came down to: if you have higher DA, use +Crit, if you have higher Crit%, use +DA. With the ideal setup being 1:1 on both, as the other becomes more valuable when the other is higher.

[Shinryuu]

Not true in terms of absolute damage, which is all that should matter. Both have linear returns to scale.

To elaborate a little bit, only absolute damage can reduce battle time, and everything damage-related should have battle time as a starting point, since it's the only output worth measuring.

[Max™]

That sounds like a Conan quote.

"Only absolute damage can reduce battle time"

WHAT IS GOOD IN LIFE?

[Shinryuu]

Hypothetical situation. You do 1,000 attack rounds, a hit is 100 damage each with a PDIF of 2.0 and you have 100% hitrate (>_>) and 20% double attack rate. Two different situations, 0% crit and 30% crit. We'll see how much a pole grip and a claymore grip add in both situations.

Situation 1:
1,000 * 1.2 * 100 = 120,000 base damage.
C: 970 * 1.2 * 100 + 30 * 1.2 * 150 = 121,800 damage
P: 1,000 * 1.22 * 100 = 122,000 damage

Situation 2:
700 * 1.2 * 100 + 300 * 1.2 * 150 = 138,000 damage
C: 670 * 1.2 * 100 + 330 * 1.2 * 150 = 139,800 damage
P: 700 * 1.22 * 100 + 300 * 1.22 * 150 = 140,300

Toss weaponskill damage in, make it more realistic, change DA values around at will, whatever, I've done so in the past, the outcome will be the same, and that's roughly that at 1.5 pDIF or higher pole grip is going to win. Roughly, because some weaponskills don't gain anything from claymore grip, while only 2 DA procs are possible per WS; it's a bit trickier but the outcome's roughly the same. If you didn't understand a step in-between ask me what the bloody fuck I meant.

[Asura_Zilla]

Just got Enkidu's today, was wondering what would be best for Sidewinder/Slug Shot:

CFG vs. Seiryu's vs. Enkidu's. Halp!

[Callisto]

I can't imagine a time I'd want to use something other than Seiryu's that wasn't Skadi hands.

[Max™]

Hypothetical situation. You do 1,000 attack rounds, a hit is 100 damage each with a PDIF of 2.0 and you have 100% hitrate (>_>) and 20% double attack rate. Two different situations, 0% crit and 30% crit. We'll see how much a pole grip and a claymore grip add in both situations.

Situation 1:
1,000 * 1.2 * 100 = 120,000 base damage.
C: 970 * 1.2 * 100 + 30 * 1.2 * 150 = 121,800 damage
P: 1,000 * 1.22 * 100 = 122,000 damage

Situation 2:
700 * 1.2 * 100 + 300 * 1.2 * 150 = 138,000 damage
C: 670 * 1.2 * 100 + 330 * 1.2 * 150 = 139,800 damage
P: 700 * 1.22 * 100 + 300 * 1.22 * 150 = 140,300

Toss weaponskill damage in, make it more realistic, change DA values around at will, whatever, I've done so in the past, the outcome will be the same, and that's roughly that at 1.5 pDIF or higher pole grip is going to win. Roughly, because some weaponskills don't gain anything from claymore grip, while only 2 DA procs are possible per WS; it's a bit trickier but the outcome's roughly the same. If you didn't understand a step in-between ask me what the bloody fuck I meant.

I didn't see where you added the Claymore in there, or my personal choice Ramp/Pole.

Ramp/Pole is all about pushing out reliable numbers, I saw Arcs ebody/better gear than I have parses with 1100 WS averages, which I was doing higher while I was getting my merits and missing Nhead/etc.