Whats better?

[Raen Ryong]

Yeah, even then you can't catch up to Ridill's lower delay.

[Asgon]

Cuch Mantle VS Forager's Mantle.

[Wolfknight]

Chuc cape VS Forager's cape.

Depends on job/food/buff/mob/etc, Short Answer Cuch Mantle in most cases, Long Answer read PSA on Cuch mantle thread.

[el_tio]

Shikaree Aketon vs. Hunter's Jerkin?

[Faris]

Sorry, the question is probably stupid but which one is better between Breeze Gorget and Hope torque for Blade: Jin?

hey wait...I thought gorgets are good for single hit WSs; Blade:Jin is 3 hits, wouldnt Hope Torque be better?

[Maaglin]

hey wait...I thought gorgets are good for single hit WSs; Blade:Jin is 3 hits, wouldnt Hope Torque be better?

oh boy...you live under a rock or something?

Old testing shows that acc bonus from gorgets applies to all hits. It's peacock charm +1 in that regard, not to mention the ftp bonus.

[Faris]

i dont read testing/finding threads, but thanks for that.
time to bust out my gorgets from storage

[Raineer]

Humor an up-and-coming WAR:

Luisant Solerets ( +1 STR/DEX/Acc/Atk )
vs
Fighter's Calligae (+ Double Attack, I think it's 1%)

It's Luisant and it's not even close...right?

Is there any AF I want for DD? I am thinking AF1 legs (3 acc) might be comparable to Luisant (STR +1 DEX +1 AGI -2 Accuracy +1 Attack +2 ). I'll probably use more AF while I PL myself solo but the whole AF set seems crap-ish for DD, right?

[Valyana]

Yes, WAR AF sucks for DD, though the Enmity can be a bit useful for tanking.

[Pikarya]

Sea torque vs. Justice for Gekko

(HNM/meritmob/etc.)

[Wolfknight]

Sea torque vs. Justice for Gekko

(HNM/meritmob/etc.)

gorget hands down, especially w/gekko attacking perma doubled thing makes ftp increase dmg much more.

[Drunkenmonk]

is there any reason i should keep aurum/black legs once i get ares flanchard (just waiting on 25) for war/drk/drg?

[Wolfknight]

is there any reason i should keep aurum/black legs once i get ares flanchard (just waiting on 25) for war/drk/drg?

Aurum for more evasive mobs maybe, but dunno about black for drk, not sure on their wses.

[Faris]

when the hell are torques put in good use?

[Wolfknight]

when the hell are torques put in good use?

par love/justice/faith[extra stats/H2H base dmg up], normally there a piece that is better than chiv/specs and slightly worse than PCC[depending if u need acc or not] for tping.

[Khajit]

Wasn't justice said to be weaker than pcc in that cuch mantle thread assuming acc wasnt capped?

[Shinryuu]

It's not. 5 STR is at least 1 fSTR, which is (for pretty much any job) an increase of a little over 1%. The 10 or so attack is a little more usually, say 1.5%. The loss is at most 4 ACC, which is 2% hitrate, or a little over 2% increase in most cases. Unless your hitrate is really low and the 2% becomes more like 3% (bit over 60% hitrate, which is pathetic) Justice wins.

[Cream Soda]

So 2.5% increase in melee vs 2% increase in melee + increase in ws frequency? For sam (considering hagun DOT blows ass), wouldn't pcc still be better?

[Wolfknight]

So 2.5% increase in melee vs 2% increase in melee + increase in ws frequency? For sam (considering hagun DOT blows ass), wouldn't pcc still be better?

hagun melee dmg not as bad as making it out to be really, for salvage mega was Melee 9276 and 12802 and that's with two hour, starting w/300 tp for sekka double ws and 3~4x mediate during fight, so -8/25 of that dmg, so discarding dmg from mediate/two hour/build tp ws dmg was: 8707 and addition at 91% acc 91.34 > 93.34 is just barely 2% increase and I'll probably just use cuch mantle next time since I am not as close to acc cap as I thought on chariots, and ws vs tp rate of 51% tp vs 49% ws.

[el_tio]

It's not. 5 STR is at least 1 fSTR, which is (for pretty much any job) an increase of a little over 1%. The 10 or so attack is a little more usually, say 1.5%. The loss is at most 4 ACC, which is 2% hitrate, or a little over 2% increase in most cases. Unless your hitrate is really low and the 2% becomes more like 3% (bit over 60% hitrate, which is pathetic) Justice wins.

You can't just consider acc as = melee DOT, especially with SAM. Assuming 50% melee/WS (i.e. the acc will result in a mirrored amount of WS dmg) PCC wins. But it's not so much that I'd say you have to use PCC if you think hitting harder is kewl, bro.