Whats better?

[Shinryuu]

Fourth division gauntlets for both TP and WS.

[liggy 0]

Penta WS items:

Wyrm Armet +1 vs Voyager Sallet(waiting on Einherjar or Faffy to give me my N.Head)


Drachen Brais +1 vs Hecatomb Legs vs Ares's Flanchard


Drachen Finger Gauntlets +1 vs Hecatomb mittens

voyager,(dont know what your ws set is) but i always used wyrm till igot heca,

heca

heca

[Thunder]

Sub = 5str, 75attack
Pizza NQ = ~35-40acc, 50attack

I'm not exactly sure what available gear the guy has, but unless he's already dropped every bit of accuracy from his WS set, you can easily make up 25attk and 5str by not needing accuracy elsewhere.

If he wants to post his WS gear, then I can say for sure, but unless it's top of the line str/dex/attk, he's very likely going to get higher WSes, more WSes, and more DoT.

Pizzas on colibri?

[FailureMidgard]

Pizzas on colibri?

Nah, was just talking in hypothetical.

[Antithesis]

Question:

When tping on my Bard I wonder about two certain bodies

Goliard Saio and Royal Regidonte (With Dual Wield +3 and Accuracy +10 )

In the end, when subbing /NIN, which of the two bodies would be the winner at oh say, Greater Colibri camp?

[Darlantan]

No idea about bard tp sets, but if you are anywhere far from the hit rate cap, the accuracy body piece will do better than the haste one, specially considering it comes with +3 dualwield.

[Antithesis]

No idea about bard tp sets, but if you are anywhere far from the hit rate cap, the accuracy body piece will do better than the haste one, specially considering it comes with +3 dualwield.

If I hit the 85-90% Hit rate, Goliard wins out then?

[Darlantan]

I would say there is no way for goliard to win unless some of the acc from the Royal body is not taking effect. Even at 90% acc, the +10 acc will just put you about at the cap, so I think you would need to be at 92% or more for goliard to be better. I am not great with maths so I am doing it by pure thinking, need someone to run the maths to see what the gain from the acc and dw is compared to the pure haste.

[Antithesis]

Ok thanks Darl >:3

/waitsformathperson.

[noodles355]

Whilst we're on Brd TP bodies, for those who used our ACP body for something useful () Goliard or Bard's Justacorps for TP? (8Str 8Dex 18(22)Att) Justacorps right? Wish it wasn't so fucking ugly.

[Shinryuu]

Haste vs. hitrate is always dependant on your old and new haste or hitrate. In this case, the haste increase is 4% and the hitrate increase is 5%. But from where? You decide. Put in the numbers.

(1/(1-newhaste))/(1/(1-oldhaste)) vs. newhitrate/oldhitrate

[Valyana]

My BRD TP gear looks something like this:

FFXIGEAR.com

Assuming Haste/2x March/21% other gear Haste = 56% Haste before body, 4% Haste is a 10% increase in total damage. It's relatively easy for BRD to cap gear haste with Angel Lyre/Turban/Saio/Dusk/Swift/Haidate/Dusk.

Assuming Suppanomimi, 3% DW is a 3.9% increase in TP phase damage.

Blau+Joy: Average delay 201, 5.5 tp/hit. With 15% DW, 170 delay, 4.9 tp/hit. With 20% DW, 160 delay, 4.8 tp/hit. With 23% DW, 154 delay, 4.7 tp/hit. So the 3% DW is a 0.3% increase in TP gain rate, but it adds a hit to 100 TP (21->22 hit), so it probably actually reduces WS rate by about 4%. So if WS are 1/3 of your damage as is typical for 1handers, the DW evens out to about a 1% total damage increase.

The Accuracy depends a lot on what buffs you're getting, since BRD has pretty terrible accuracy before buffs. ffxigear says 349/333 for Blau/Joy with my gear and crab sushi, which works out to 66%/58% acc on colibri with no weapon/dex merits, or a weighted average of 61.2%. In that case, 10 acc is an 8.2% increase in total damage, so the Haste still wins.

However, if you aren't getting Haste, just double March, the Haste is only a 7.3% increase, so the Accuracy wins. With Haste and only V.March, the Haste is 8.2%, just even with the Accuracy.

Assuming one March and one Minuet, a second minuet is a 21% increase in TP damage, or a 14% increase in overall damage; a Madrigal is a 28% increase in total damage, and a second March is a 22.5% increase in overall damage. Assuming no Mad/Min merits; they'll each be a bit better with merits. With Madrigal the Accuracy from Redingote drops to a 6.4% overall boost.

So: Eat Crab Sushi, wear Goliard and give yourself Mad/Min instead of Min/Min.

As for BRD Justaucorps: 8 STR is 2 FSTR: with 70 STR as on ffxigear, that takes my fSTR on birds from 2 to 4. With a weighted average D of 33.8, that's a 5.6% increase in TP damage, or 3.7% increase in total damage. The DEX gives 4 acc, a 2.6% increase in total damage assuming sushi/Mad. 22 attack (18+4) is an 8.8% increase in TP damage assuming 1 Min, or 5.9% increase in total damage. Or about a 12.6% overall increase in damage.

Hmm, I didn't expect it to be that high. Guess I'll go back to wearing relic body, then.

Boo, ffxigear doesn't understand Military Parade.

Incidentally, Evisceration gear: http://ffxigear.com/?ref=8881
Mordant Rime: http://ffxigear.com/?ref=8904

[mdkuser]

Question:

When tping on my Bard I wonder about two certain bodies

Goliard Saio and Royal Regidonte (With Dual Wield +3 and Accuracy +10 )

In the end, when subbing /NIN, which of the two bodies would be the winner at oh say, Greater Colibri camp?

did the maths for rapparee harness vs augmented mirke for THF, rapparee wins over 92% accuracy, but mirke has dex and str bonus. So I'd say 90%. But even bard should cap with pizza or sushi lol, so haste body.

Edit: well cheap sushi onry at birds

[noodles355]

Brd really needs higher dagger skill ; ; 263 Skill and I still can't hit anything T without acc gear or food ; ; (As in when I'm bored @ events swap from terras to blau >.>)

[*Blaize*]

RDM Bind/Sleep/Gravity: Mahatma Slops or Shadow Trews?

[Starr]

um same accuracy pretty much AFAIK

[Raen Ryong]

did the maths for rapparee harness vs augmented mirke for THF, rapparee wins over 92% accuracy, but mirke has dex and str bonus. So I'd say 90%. But even bard should cap with pizza or sushi lol, so haste body.

Edit: well cheap sushi onry at birds

Even if you ignore the accuracy part of it, 5str is +2.5~5% increase on a Blau or X's and +3~6% on a Sirocco Kukri DoT damage only, and 3% DW is +3.9% DoT AND WS frequency because in THF's case it does not alter TP/hit.

Therefore even before you consider accuracy, unlike Homam which is purely an acc vs haste exercise (except for minor TA), Mirke is going to win unless haste values are very high... moreso if we're talking Mirke + meat vs Rapparee + sushi.

Mahatma Slops > Shadow Trews. Worst case scenario, same macc. Best case scenario, twice as much.

[Antithesis]

did the maths for rapparee harness vs augmented mirke for THF, rapparee wins over 92% accuracy, but mirke has dex and str bonus. So I'd say 90%. But even bard should cap with pizza or sushi lol, so haste body.

Edit: well cheap sushi onry at birds

At the Bird camp, I have absolutely no problem hitting consistently without food (One Madrigal suffices and I can hit pretty well.) The thing I was wondering was if the ACP body with 10 ACC and Dual Wield +3 would be a better option when eating pizza or hell, even meat (I have eaten meat at the bird camp before and my ACC is nothing terrible with just one Madrigal.)

So I am just wondering if I should keep that body or not. Also Valyana </3 I want those TP / WS sets so badly

[Raen Ryong]

Mirke butchers all other THF bodies unless your Haste is very very high.

[Antithesis]

Mirke butchers all other THF bodies unless your Haste is very very high.

With Bard (excluding the Goliard Saio) this would be a normal TP set up:

Angel Lyre: 2%
Dusk Gloves: 3%
Dusk Ledelsens: 2%
Byakko's Haidate: 5%
Walhara Turban: 5%
Swift Belt: 4%

Now without Goliard Saio, I hit Haste + 21% using an Accuracy +10 Dual Wield + 3 body

With the saio I basically hit the cap (I think) with 25%.